Words Re: Which Distro for learning linux and server

2009-08-16 Thread Craig Falconer
steve wrote, On 14/08/09 18:18: With risk in mind, it's best to use software certified* for a specific os, and to do that most simply, it's best to stay in the mainline, which really is RH/CentOS 5.3 or debian lenny. *This is a very loose definition of the word, where package releases

Re: Words Re: Which Distro for learning linux and server

2009-08-16 Thread Daniel Hill
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Craig Falconer wrote: steve wrote, On 14/08/09 18:18: With risk in mind, it's best to use software certified* for a specific os, and to do that most simply, it's best to stay in the mainline, which really is RH/CentOS 5.3 or debian lenny.

Re: Which Distro for learning linux and server

2009-08-14 Thread Kent Fredric
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Ross Drummond r...@ashburton.co.nz wrote: On Friday 14 August 2009, Daniel Hill wrote: Kent Fredric wrote: For minimal pain, don't unmask the ~ ( testing ) versions of things during stage 1. You'll find if you do you'll find a fun gcc cyclic

Re: Which Distro for learning linux and server

2009-08-14 Thread steve
On Fri, 2009-08-14 at 16:49 +1200, Daniel Hill wrote: Kent Fredric wrote: For minimal pain, don't unmask the ~ ( testing ) versions of things during stage 1. You'll find if you do you'll find a fun gcc cyclic dependency :) ( that is, don't set ACCEPT_KEYWORDS= to ~amd64 or ~x86 leave

Re: Which Distro for learning linux and server

2009-08-14 Thread Christopher Sawtell
linux properly (currently running ubuntu on my desktop) so I'm wondering which distro would be a good learning experience and in the end be stable for a server a couple of distros come to mind: (please correct me if I'm wrong) * Gentoo , Pros: Configurable; Cons: Huge comiple/install time

Re: Which Distro for learning linux and server

2009-08-13 Thread steve
to learn linux properly (currently running ubuntu on my desktop) so I'm wondering which distro would be a good learning experience and in the end be stable for a server a couple of distros come to mind: (please correct me if I'm wrong) * Gentoo , Pros: Configurable; Cons: Huge comiple/install

Re: Which Distro for learning linux and server

2009-08-13 Thread Robert Fisher
Daniel Hill wrote: I'm about to acquire a old computer from my friend (AMD 1.6GHz 80GB HDD) and want to eventually set it up as a webserver, game server, wireless router and any other servers that I mite want to play with I also want to learn linux properly (currently running ubuntu on my

Re: Which Distro for learning linux and server

2009-08-13 Thread Craig Falconer
Daniel Hill wrote, On 14/08/09 13:53: * Any other suggestions ? the other option would be to just setup the server with ubuntu server or debian, and use a VM on my desktop to learn linux with maybe slackware Start with the one you have the most experience with already, be it 1) deb based

Re: Which Distro for learning linux and server

2009-08-13 Thread Daniel Hill
Robert Fisher wrote: but if you want to learn more about Linux as you go and are really prepared to get your hands dirty, go for Gentoo. getting my hands dirty is exactly what I want to do just don't know if I can be bothered with the 8h compile time, wondering if there is another distro that'll

Re: Which Distro for learning linux and server

2009-08-13 Thread Kent Fredric
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Daniel Hill daniel.h...@orcon.net.nzwrote: I'm about to acquire a old computer from my friend (AMD 1.6GHz 80GB HDD) and want to eventually set it up as a webserver, game server, wireless router and any other servers that I mite want to play with I also want to

Re: Which Distro for learning linux and server

2009-08-13 Thread Kent Fredric
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Daniel Hill daniel.h...@orcon.net.nzwrote: Robert Fisher wrote: but if you want to learn more about Linux as you go and are really prepared to get your hands dirty, go for Gentoo. getting my hands dirty is exactly what I want to do just don't know if I can

Re: Which Distro for learning linux and server

2009-08-13 Thread Daniel Hill
Install time has been much much easier for folks the past 2 years, with stage3 being the default instead of stage1, and stage 1 now being officially unsupported. Stage 1 imho gives you a much closer look at how things work. ( I've become a bit of a masochist on the deal, and have installed

Re: Which Distro for learning linux and server

2009-08-13 Thread Kent Fredric
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Daniel Hill daniel.h...@orcon.net.nzwrote: Install time has been much much easier for folks the past 2 years, with stage3 being the default instead of stage1, and stage 1 now being officially unsupported. Stage 1 imho gives you a much closer look at how

Re: Which Distro for learning linux and server

2009-08-13 Thread Nick Rout
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Daniel Hilldaniel.h...@orcon.net.nz wrote: Robert Fisher wrote: but if you want to learn more about Linux as you go and are really prepared to get your hands dirty, go for Gentoo. getting my hands dirty is exactly what I want to do just don't know if I can be

Re: Which Distro for learning linux and server

2009-08-13 Thread Daniel Hill
Kent Fredric wrote: For minimal pain, don't unmask the ~ ( testing ) versions of things during stage 1. You'll find if you do you'll find a fun gcc cyclic dependency :) ( that is, don't set ACCEPT_KEYWORDS= to ~amd64 or ~x86 leave them at amd64 or x86 ) Once you get to stage 3 of the

Re: Which Distro for learning linux and server

2009-08-13 Thread Ross Drummond
On Friday 14 August 2009, Daniel Hill wrote: Kent Fredric wrote: For minimal pain, don't unmask the ~ ( testing ) versions of things during stage 1. You'll find if you do you'll find a fun gcc cyclic dependency :) ( that is, don't set ACCEPT_KEYWORDS= to ~amd64 or ~x86 leave them at

Re: Which Distro for learning linux and server

2009-08-13 Thread Kent Fredric
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Daniel Hill daniel.h...@orcon.net.nzwrote: Kent Fredric wrote: For minimal pain, don't unmask the ~ ( testing ) versions of things during stage 1. You'll find if you do you'll find a fun gcc cyclic dependency :) ( that is, don't set ACCEPT_KEYWORDS= to

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-11 Thread Stephen Irons
Christopher D Maher wrote: What is the best distro for an introduction to Linux? All I want to do is be able to play and have something that doesn't use much hardware ie no big graphical requirements (though I do want a GUI) and something very very light on ram. CM. My recommendation in

Re: Which distro ? [Long]

2007-03-11 Thread Stephen Irons
Christopher D Maher wrote: What is the best distro for an introduction to Linux? All I want to do is be able to play and have something that doesn't use much hardware ie no big graphical requirements (though I do want a GUI) and something very very light on ram. CM. This is a list of

Re: Which distro ? [Long]

2007-03-11 Thread Don Gould
Extreamly useful! I'm printing it out, do you mind if I publish it in a few places? Cheers Don Stephen Irons wrote: Christopher D Maher wrote: What is the best distro for an introduction to Linux? All I want to do is be able to play and have something that doesn't use much hardware ie no

Re: Which distro ? [Long]

2007-03-11 Thread Stephen Irons
Don Gould wrote: Extreamly useful! I'm printing it out, do you mind if I publish it in a few places? Cheers Don You can use it in part or whole, but please attribute it to Stephen Irons, not to Tait Electronics; they are my opinions. And you could remove the guff below; it gets added

RE: Which distro ? [Long]

2007-03-11 Thread Maurice Butler
Hi Don, You forgot drm Maurice - who has be trapped by lookout oops, outlook and delphi Do you wish to play movies and music that you have purchased on your computer? Vista - no if billy thinks you have stolen it or you use a program that someone may be able to make a copy Linux - tba Do you

Bluetooth/bluez [WAS: Re: Which distro ?]

2007-03-09 Thread thomas
Don Gould wrote: Chris, do you want to add this to the list of topics people would be interested in hearing about? Anyone on list actually using it? Cheers Don Hey, I've been lurking on the list for some time, it's the highest-output LUG list in NZ I've been subscribed to so far. I used

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-09 Thread Christopher D Maher
What is the best distro for an introduction to Linux? All I want to do is be able to play and have something that doesn't use much hardware ie no big graphical requirements (though I do want a GUI) and something very very light on ram. CM. On 05/03/07, Derek Smithies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-09 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Fri, 09 Mar 2007, Christopher D Maher wrote: What is the best distro for an introduction to Linux? All I want to do is be able to play and have something that doesn't use much hardware ie no big graphical requirements (though I do want a GUI) and something very very light on ram.

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-09 Thread Robert Fisher
On Friday 09 March 2007 11:06 pm, Christopher D Maher wrote: What is the best distro for an introduction to Linux? All I want to do is be able to play and have something that doesn't use much hardware ie no big graphical requirements (though I do want a GUI) and something very very light on

UPDATE: Bluetooth... Re: Whats the endgame with Bluetooth (Was: Which distro ?)

2007-03-08 Thread Don Gould
I'm making some progress. Below are details of my progress for those who are interested. I am not presenting any questions. If you choose to share your own trials and tribulations please do, but don't feel that I'm waiting on help, I'm not, I still have more work I need to do first, such as

Re: Whats the endgame with Bluetooth (Was: Which distro ?)

2007-03-08 Thread Nick Rout
Kerry Mayes wrote: Now I just need it to find something interesting to do! That was my point with the what is the endgame? question :-)

Re: Whats the endgame with Bluetooth (Was: Which distro ?)

2007-03-08 Thread Robert Fisher
On Tuesday 06 March 2007 5:48 pm, Nick Rout wrote: Kerry Mayes wrote: Now I just need it to find something interesting to do! That was my point with the what is the endgame? question :-) One of my sons was showing off to us yesterday how, with his new phone, he can use bluetooth via his

Re: Whats the endgame with Bluetooth (Was: Which distro ?)

2007-03-08 Thread Don Gould
Rik Tindall wrote: The thread is adding up towards a worthy live troubleshooting session, of generic setup skills. I agree, I think what we're doing in this thread is working out who knows what and working together filter through the raft of info out there that's not complete, to come up

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-08 Thread Rik Tindall
In the interests of documentary completeness.. Timothy Musson wrote: Rik Tindall wrote: Timothy Musson wrote: Ubuntu intentionally includes non-free software (proprietary kernel blobs and device drivers), and they've stated that they intend to continue doing so. Along with the source

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-08 Thread Rik Tindall
Timothy Musson wrote: I'm going to stop recommending Ubuntu. Distros like gNewSense and Fedora actually do give a toss about software freedom :^) The irony: Apache/2.0.55 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.1.2 Server at archive.gnewsense.org Port 80

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-08 Thread nick
In the interests of documentary completeness.. Timothy Musson wrote: Rik Tindall wrote: Timothy Musson wrote: Ubuntu intentionally includes non-free software (proprietary kernel blobs and device drivers), and they've stated that they intend to continue doing so. Along with the source

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-08 Thread Rik Tindall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote re: In the interests of documentary completeness.. the binary distro install off an Ubuntu CD is backed up by source files being available through Synaptic repositories.. much like any other distro having a similar mechanism. For GPL software the law requires the

Re: Whats the endgame with Bluetooth (Was: Which distro ?)

2007-03-08 Thread Kerry Mayes
I mis-spoke, what I meant was: Now I just need to bridge the gap from having some sort of connection to doing all the things I want to do with it! Those things were: sync my palm without the cradle send txt messages from the pc through my phone palm vnc to the pc (eventually use this as the

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-08 Thread Timothy Musson
Rik Tindall wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote re: [Rik wrote:] So the argument is, we should: a) not buy gear with these components, 'consumer strike' for freedom b) don't support distros not encouraging a) That's not what I was getting at. But it's not far off what I want to

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-08 Thread Rik Tindall
Just to clarify,.. Timothy Musson wrote re: So the argument is, we should: a) not buy gear with these components, 'consumer strike' for freedom b) not support distros not encouraging a) That's not what I was getting at. But it's not far off what I want to discuss over on the GNUz list.

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-07 Thread Rik Tindall
Volker Kuhlmann wrote: Apt.deb-based just works, robustly and up to date, every time. The millions on it supporting it can't be wrong. Interesting argument. Me thinks I've heard it before. When did you switch to Redmond OS, Rik? Early nineties (thru to 2002) from scratch. No Commodore64

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-07 Thread Nick Rout
Rik Tindall wrote: Linux is Linux after all? No, GNU/Linux is GNU/Linux. Funny, still looks like Linux to me. Yeah. Thanks for the opening for more precision. Read your licenses: BSD/GNU/Linux is BSD/GNU/Linux - none is divisible from the other, in what most of us are running. I think

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-07 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
On Wed 07 Mar 2007 21:55:36 NZDT +1300, Rik Tindall wrote: Nope. LTS is still good enuf 4 me. Less strain on BDFL's wallet is fair. Well, his choice. ;) Strange, I've never had problems. But I've had plenty of trouble with that .deb stuff. That's what you get from using Alien? No, I stay

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-07 Thread Rik Tindall
Nick Rout wrote re: BSD/GNU I think you severely misunderstand the difference between the BSD license and the GPL You know me Nick - simple at all times. e.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ man telnet TELNET(1) BSD General Commands Manual

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-07 Thread Nick Rout
Steve Holdoway wrote: On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 20:37:04 +1300 Volker Kuhlmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But RPM is RPM, and those that care to unmangle it should bloody well do so. Strange, I've never had problems. But I've had plenty of trouble with that .deb stuff. I've had hell

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-07 Thread Rik Tindall
Nick Rout wrote: 1. no distro has a perfect record. 2. we all know the advantages of free software, but sometimes licenses other than the GPL are tolerable and/or necessary to some people, its their choice. 3. ditto binary drivers, binary firmware and commercial software in general. With

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-07 Thread Timothy Musson
Rik Tindall wrote: Timothy Musson wrote: Ubuntu intentionally includes non-free software (proprietary kernel blobs and device drivers), and they've stated that they intend to continue doing so. Along with the source files, should you want them. Unfortunately, that's not the case...

Re: Whats the endgame with Bluetooth (Was: Which distro ?)

2007-03-07 Thread Don Gould
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suggest Don does this and reports back. I will. I've done bits of it before, but you've prompted some new info. Cheers Don

Re: Whats the endgame with Bluetooth (Was: Which distro ?)

2007-03-07 Thread Kerry Mayes
Don, Are you trying to sync a palm? If so, check what version of pilot-link you have (can get). The latest version (Feb 07) apparently will use bluez to sync over bluetooth. Ubuntu currently uses the previous version, so it is possible but harder. Kerry On 06/03/07, Don Gould [EMAIL

Re: Whats the endgame with Bluetooth (Was: Which distro ?)

2007-03-07 Thread Don Gould
No, I'm interested to see what I 'can' do with my mobile phone. It's got most of the palm type features in it. Nokia 6234 I'm working on a number of projects at present, so I haven't looked at this whole bluetooth thing this week. People told me what to do next. I haven't got to it yet.

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-06 Thread Nick Rout
Derek Smithies wrote: I want to spend my time using the box to produce sellable product, or using the box to watch video. Spending hours maintaining it is tiresome. Thus, the gentoo forum article http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-313315.html was interesting, and not a good look for gentoo.

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-06 Thread Derek Smithies
Hi, Nick, thanks for taking to reply and find the link below. Thanks too for the all the people who have taken the time to reply to my initial query on which distro. On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Nick Rout wrote: Derek Smithies wrote: I want to spend my time using the box to produce sellable

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-06 Thread Rik Tindall
. In this case, time to switch to a distro with good packages. Thus, the original question that started this whole thread, which distro? Derek. -- Derek Smithies Ph.D. A lot of new/old users have donned Ubuntu with ease, because of the ease - of use. In your case I suggest the red pill

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-06 Thread nick
Hi, Nick, thanks for taking to reply and find the link below. Thanks too for the all the people who have taken the time to reply to my initial query on which distro. On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Nick Rout wrote: Derek Smithies wrote: I want to spend my time using the box to produce sellable

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-06 Thread nick
I confess that it was no work at all, that link just popped up in this week's Gentoo Weekly News. Hi, Nick, thanks for taking to reply and find the link below. Thanks too for the all the people who have taken the time to reply to my initial query on which distro. http

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-06 Thread Rik Tindall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (although shit happens in any distro, ubuntu broke badly in some releases). It never affected me, and I've seen/heard no prominent reports.. Except the networking GUI on 4.10 hung and was quite useless - fixed in next release / 5.04. Since then, for c28 days in

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-06 Thread nick
I confess that it was no work at all, that link just popped up in this week's Gentoo Weekly News. Hi, Nick, thanks for taking to reply and find the link below. Thanks too for the all the people who have taken the time to reply to my initial query on which distro. http

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-06 Thread nick
Hi, Nick, thanks for taking to reply and find the link below. Thanks too for the all the people who have taken the time to reply to my initial query on which distro. On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Nick Rout wrote: Derek Smithies wrote: I want to spend my time using the box to produce sellable

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-06 Thread Timothy Musson
Rik Tindall wrote: Mepis is Kubuntu with the freedom (lesson) stripped out. Consumer orientated. You've gotta love the delivery of that much freedom! Unfortunately, Ubuntu intentionally includes non-free software (proprietary kernel blobs and device drivers), and they've stated that they

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-06 Thread Ben Devine
On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:19:40 +1300, Rik Tindall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Noone has offered help for the Fedora user GNUz/GLU has, so he's likely to be moving on.. Why did you not help, Linux is Linux after all? Thanks, BD

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-06 Thread Dave van Leeuwen
Hi, what problems was the user experiencing? Dave. On Wed, 2007-03-07 at 14:22 +1300, Ben Devine wrote: On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:19:40 +1300, Rik Tindall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Noone has offered help for the Fedora user GNUz/GLU has, so he's likely to be moving on.. Why did you not

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-06 Thread Rik Tindall
Ben Devine wrote re: Noone has offered help for the Fedora user GNUz/GLU has, so he's likely to be moving on.. Why did you not help, I did - fixed his mail-send; aided decision not to migrate (yet) off a functioning raid; pitching for advanced help on what's borked.. Fedora 5 desktop looks

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-06 Thread nick
On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:19:40 +1300, Rik Tindall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Noone has offered help for the Fedora user GNUz/GLU has, so he's likely to be moving on.. Why did you not help, Linux is Linux after all? Thanks, BD This point is a good one and has already been made. The other

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-06 Thread Rik Tindall
Dave van Leeuwen wrote: what problems was the user experiencing? Noone has offered help for the Fedora user GNUz/GLU has.. 'Install Packages' crashes with an ??? error box on top, then is gone on 'Cancel/OK'. Looks more serious that a bad repository, but then I'm only familiar with 'what

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-06 Thread Ben Devine
On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:39:31 +1300, Rik Tindall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave van Leeuwen wrote: what problems was the user experiencing? Noone has offered help for the Fedora user GNUz/GLU has.. 'Install Packages' crashes with an ??? error box on top, then is gone on 'Cancel/OK'. I didnt

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-06 Thread Rik Tindall
Thanks Ben, Ben Devine wrote: 'Install Packages' crashes with an ??? error box on top, then is gone on 'Cancel/OK'. I didnt realise googling an error message was different for fedora users? We'll try that, given sufficient time assistance. Actually, he wants something 64-bit + raid. Can

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-06 Thread Rik Tindall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Linux is Linux after all? Thanks, BD This point is a good one and has already been made. Only by idiots ignoring different filesystem layouts, config arrangements, packaging formats, support options, .. yada yada. The other option is to refer him to ESR (if

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-06 Thread Rik Tindall
Linux is Linux after all? Sorry, that is an id10t error. -- Rik

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-06 Thread Rik Tindall
Fedora: ..reminds me of those errors (mem.fragmentation? - can't remember the correct term just now, so long since) I used to get on Mandrake. - seg(mentation)faults 'Moving on'. -- Rik

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-06 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
On Wed 07 Mar 2007 Rik Tindall wrote: Apt.deb-based just works, robustly and up to date, every time. The millions on it supporting it can't be wrong. Interesting argument. Me thinks I've heard it before. When did you switch to Redmond OS, Rik? Free CDs in the mail is streets ahead of any

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-06 Thread Steve Holdoway
On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 20:37:04 +1300 Volker Kuhlmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But RPM is RPM, and those that care to unmangle it should bloody well do so. Strange, I've never had problems. But I've had plenty of trouble with that .deb stuff. I've had hell with every single major distro

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-05 Thread Ben Ford
I'd go with Arch too... It's not exactly plug and play, but i think it would the majority of users who have installed linux before and don't mind getting their hand a little bit dirty. As for package management, pacman kicks the absolute crap out of apt-get (IM not so HO)! After you've got it set

Bluetooth (Was: Which distro ?)

2007-03-05 Thread yuri
On 05/03/07, Nick Rout wrote: I am hamstrung by a lack of any bluetooth devices, but the info is always welcome. My Nokia phone does bluetooth. If I could buy a bluetooth thingie cheaply for the laptop and be sure that it works I would buy it tomorrow. I suspect it wouldn't be that cheap and

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-05 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
I have no desire to spend oodles of time managing my system so it works ok. Spending time managing the box is expensive. You see, if the box did not need management - I can write code that earns money. And with money - I can buy next years newer/faster/bigger quad cpu monster.. Totally

Re: Bluetooth (Was: Which distro ?)

2007-03-05 Thread Kerry Mayes
i am about to start trying to get bluetooth working (I have a usb bluetooth thingie bought from dse some time ago). Ubuntu seems to have all the bits (i.e. it is *supposed* to work) and I have two devices to test (palm and phone). Will let you know how it goes. Kerry. On 05/03/07, yuri [EMAIL

Re: Whats the endgame with Bluetooth (Was: Which distro ?)

2007-03-05 Thread nick
i am about to start trying to get bluetooth working (I have a usb bluetooth thingie bought from dse some time ago). Ubuntu seems to have all the bits (i.e. it is *supposed* to work) and I have two devices to test (palm and phone). Will let you know how it goes. Kerry. Just curious - but

Re: Whats the endgame with Bluetooth (Was: Which distro ?)

2007-03-05 Thread Robert Fisher
On Tuesday 06 March 2007 9:09 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious - but what is the endgame with all this bluetooth stuff and a phone? Is it just a way of getting stuff on and off the phone without a USB/serial cable, or is there some greater and cooler application? Yes, for me I use it

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-05 Thread Kerry Mayes
I was going to ask about Mandriva. I have it installed on a machine at home that I haven't used for a while - booted it in the weekend and realised I *really* prefer my Ubuntu setup. So much so that I'm now intending replacing it with Ubuntu. On 05/03/07, Don Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My

Re: Whats the endgame with Bluetooth (Was: Which distro ?)

2007-03-05 Thread Kerry Mayes
I also want to: - send txt messages using my computer keyboard - read and send emails from my palm (through the pc not the phone) - palm vnc to control a media server On 06/03/07, Robert Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 06 March 2007 9:09 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious

Re: Whats the endgame with Bluetooth (Was: Which distro ?)

2007-03-05 Thread nick
On Tuesday 06 March 2007 9:09 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious - but what is the endgame with all this bluetooth stuff and a phone? Is it just a way of getting stuff on and off the phone without a USB/serial cable, or is there some greater and cooler application? Yes, for me I use

Re: Whats the endgame with Bluetooth (Was: Which distro ?)

2007-03-05 Thread Don Gould
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious - but what is the endgame with all this bluetooth stuff and a phone? FROM WINDOWS XP... grrr I send sms messages - this is by far the most useful feature. I use the address book on the phone. The phone has replaced my PDA and PC as a calendar, notes,

Re: Whats the endgame with Bluetooth (Was: Which distro ?)

2007-03-05 Thread Andrew Errington
FROM WINDOWS XP... grrr I send sms messages - this is by far the most useful feature. You can do this with Linux. Try gnokii. I have done it with a wired connection and an IR connection. I should imagine that BT is just like IR, and once the BT link is established it is effectively the

Re: Whats the endgame with Bluetooth (Was: Which distro ?)

2007-03-05 Thread Don Gould
First problem I've got is how to associate the dongle with the phone. I just couldn't see an option in KDE. Thanks for the heads up, I'll do some google reading. Cheers Don Andrew Errington wrote: FROM WINDOWS XP... grrr I send sms messages - this is by far the most useful feature. You

Re: Whats the endgame with Bluetooth (Was: Which distro ?)

2007-03-05 Thread nick
So in other words, yes, it's just a cordless version of a USB/serial connection. Cheers. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious - but what is the endgame with all this bluetooth stuff and a phone? FROM WINDOWS XP... grrr I send sms messages - this is by far the most useful feature.

Re: Whats the endgame with Bluetooth (Was: Which distro ?)

2007-03-05 Thread Don Gould
Yes. But the question is how to set it up. You have to pair blue tooth devices to make them work. In Linux, my pda and phone don't even see my laptop. But to get back to topic... yes, BT is just another linking system, same as usb/serial Cheers Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So in other

Re: Whats the endgame with Bluetooth (Was: Which distro ?)

2007-03-05 Thread Andrew Errington
On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 13:04, you wrote: Yes. But the question is how to set it up. Well, you could do a Google search for linux bluetooth sms and get this: http://pratyeka.org/rfcomm/ Where the author bemoans the sorry state of affairs that is Linux and Bluetooth. You have to pair blue

Re: Whats the endgame with Bluetooth (Was: Which distro ?)

2007-03-05 Thread Rik Tindall
The thread is adding up towards a worthy live troubleshooting session, of generic setup skills. Andrew Errington wrote: But the question is how to set it up. http://pratyeka.org/rfcomm/ Where the author bemoans the sorry state of affairs that is Linux and Bluetooth. You have to pair

Re: Whats the endgame with Bluetooth (Was: Which distro ?)

2007-03-05 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Tue, 06 Mar 2007, Don Gould wrote: Yes. But the question is how to set it up. Speculatively ( ie I don't have one of the toys ) :- http://www.holtmann.org/linux/bluetooth/ has 'hundreds' of links, of which these appear to be useful:- http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/bluetooth-guide.xml

Re: Whats the endgame with Bluetooth (Was: Which distro ?)

2007-03-05 Thread nick
On Tue, 06 Mar 2007, Don Gould wrote: Yes. But the question is how to set it up. Speculatively ( ie I don't have one of the toys ) :- http://www.holtmann.org/linux/bluetooth/ has 'hundreds' of links, of which these appear to be useful:- Hundreds is not an understatement. One shouldn't

Re: Whats the endgame with Bluetooth (Was: Which distro ?)

2007-03-05 Thread Kerry Mayes
my hciconfig reports: hci0: Type: USB BD Address: 00:10:60:A8:47:72 ACL MTU: 192:8 SCO MTU: 64:8 UP RUNNING PSCAN ISCAN RX bytes:4426 acl:77 sco:0 events:150 errors:0 TX bytes:2217 acl:77 sco:0 commands:37 errors:0 So something is working! It's also discoverable

Which distro ?

2007-03-04 Thread Derek Smithies
Hi, After years of being a redhat (hatred) fan, and then moving to suse, I feel the need to make another distro change... As always in the pre distroy change period, one is required to think about what the wish list. Wants: = I want to be able to get any package and install it

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-04 Thread Robert Fisher
On Monday 05 March 2007 1:50 pm, Derek Smithies wrote: Hi, After years of being a redhat (hatred) fan, and then moving to suse, I feel the need to make another distro change... I have stuck with Gentoo for our headless server but the other 3 linux boxes at home have all gone back to Mepis

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-04 Thread nick
Hi, After years of being a redhat (hatred) fan, and then moving to suse, I feel the need to make another distro change... As always in the pre distroy change period, one is required to think about what the wish list. Wants: = I want to be able to get any package and

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-04 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Mon, 05 Mar 2007, Derek Smithies wrote: Thus, the gentoo forum article http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-313315.html was interesting, and not a good look for gentoo. PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 5:35 am Two years ago!! That's now totally out of date. A Gentoo binary install off the

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-04 Thread Steve Holdoway
On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 15:51:35 +1300 Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sabayon is a Gentoo reimplementation which takes the principle to an art-form:- http://www.sabayonlinux.org/ -- CS Personally, I found it to be a complete pile of poo. Mind you, if people cut up sheep

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-04 Thread Don Gould
My $120.00's worth. MANDRIVA 2007 I'm starting to like Mandriva 2007 more and more now that I've got all the repositaries set up. Out of the box it was a pig. If you don't know about PLF then you may as well pack up shop and go home... It did like my wifi card, but so far I haven't been

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-04 Thread Rik Tindall
Don Gould wrote: My $120.00's worth. MANDRIVA 2007 ..so far I haven't been able to make sense out of bluetooth. I've got the driver working, I think, but none of the applications. Ditto. Anyone care to run a klug nite on bluetooth? I've had one liveCD test success, however - kubuntu.

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-04 Thread Don Gould
Rik Tindall wrote: ..so far I haven't been able to make sense out of bluetooth. I've got the driver working, I think, but none of the applications. Ditto. Anyone care to run a klug nite on bluetooth? I'd be in. Chris, do you want to add this to the list of topics people would be

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-04 Thread Nick Rout
Don Gould wrote: Rik Tindall wrote: ..so far I haven't been able to make sense out of bluetooth. I've got the driver working, I think, but none of the applications. Ditto. Anyone care to run a klug nite on bluetooth? I'd be in. Chris, do you want to add this to the list of topics people

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-04 Thread Don Gould
Nick Rout wrote: Shouldn't we actually find someone who has got it to work first? No. We should add it to the list of things people are interested in as soon as people become interested. If Rik and I are the only people interested then we know it's not a topic, that anyone interested in

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-04 Thread Robert Fisher
On Monday 05 March 2007 7:43 pm, Don Gould wrote: Nick Rout wrote: Shouldn't we actually find someone who has got it to work first? No. We should add it to the list of things people are interested in as soon as people become interested. Well if you want to gauge demand then add me to the

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-04 Thread Nick Rout
Robert Fisher wrote: On Monday 05 March 2007 7:43 pm, Don Gould wrote: Nick Rout wrote: Shouldn't we actually find someone who has got it to work first? No. We should add it to the list of things people are interested in as soon as people become interested. Well if you

Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-04 Thread Don Gould
Nick Rout wrote: I am hamstrung by a lack of any bluetooth devices, but the info is always welcome. I've got 3 at present and soon to be 4 -- Don Gould www.thinkdesignprint.co.nz - www.tcn.bowenvale.co.nz - www.bowenvale.co.nz - www.hearingbooks.co.nz - www.crra.org.nz -

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