RE: Church opensource.

2004-02-25 Thread Zane Gilmore
On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 12:02, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: READ MY LIPS OpenOffice.org will do most things which can be done with MS Office (except MS Access) It doesn't do the Access thing because Access is just a knobbled database manager. In the OSS world there is no point in

Re: What do you use Linux for?

2004-02-25 Thread Steve Holdoway
Hi Listers, I've got an XP2500+ with 1GB and 80GB, in a nifty little case with a huuuge cpu cooler. I'm running RedHat Fedora with a 2.6.2 kernel (which up2date _really_ takes exception to ), for the following: Mozilla Apache ( I prefer 1, but am using 2 as I can't get ssl support configured

Re: What do you use Linux for?

2004-02-25 Thread Jaco Swart
Am downloading this now - will report in due course. That means, within this year ;-) thanks Jaco Dale Anderson wrote: Theres a good looking app I just came across the other day called Cenon www.cenon.info havent used it yet , but it appears to be a *very* functional vector based GFX

RE: RE: What do you use Linux for?

2004-02-25 Thread David Taylor
Lance, I don't know if you know this already, but the IPCop box is a dedicated firewall/router. It should not do other things and does not need a keyboard, mouse, or monitor as it is usually admin-ed by a browser inside the lan once set up. Also, once set up, it just sits there in the corner.

Re: What do you use Linux for?

2004-02-25 Thread Linux Shop
Distro: Mandrake 9.1 on one box, 9.2 on another both networked via an old Mandrake 9.1 box for file server and Internet Gateway (I like to use what most of our customers use) Email: Evolution Browser: Mostly Mozilla but also Opera, Konqueror, Galeon (I like to have a different browser for

Re: What do you use Linux for?

2004-02-25 Thread andlug1
At home: Giles (Internet gateway/my desktop/main-ish server) ~~~ P133, 64meg, 2.5gig + 40gig Debian unstable no X Apache with PHP4, and MySQL intranet and internet webserver Exim4 with exiscan (exim4-daemon-heavy) and clamav SMTP server

Re: What do you use Linux for?

2004-02-25 Thread Nick Rout
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 21:48, Steve Holdoway wrote: ( anyone got a little script to check hotmail accounts??? ) search for gotmail i believe

IPCop or Mandrake Network Firewall

2004-02-25 Thread Nathan Cook
I've been using Smoothwall and I have read some of the websites around about the owner of the product and his attitude, I'm now going to change to something else and I'm tossing up between IPCop and MNF, I've had a quick play with MNF in VMWare and it looks like it would do everything I want it to

Re: IPCop or Mandrake Network Firewall

2004-02-25 Thread Nick Rout
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 22:09, Nathan Cook wrote: I've been using Smoothwall and I have read some of the websites around about the owner of the product and his attitude, I'm now going to change to something else and I'm tossing up between IPCop and MNF, I've had a quick play with MNF in VMWare and

FILE PERMISSIONS

2004-02-25 Thread Dave
Hi all heres a curly one: what do you do when you can't change/delete/move a directory (and files) no matter if you logged in as root, su, sudo and the file permissions ls as drwerwerwe, none of the GUI file managers work (even as root) and you can't mv, rmdir etc at the comand line weird or

Re: FILE PERMISSIONS

2004-02-25 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 22:20, Dave wrote: Hi all heres a curly one: what do you do when you can't change/delete/move a directory (and files) no matter if you logged in as root, su, sudo and the file permissions ls as drwerwerwe, none of the GUI file managers work (even as root) and you can't

Re: What do you use Linux for?

2004-02-25 Thread Chad
Steve Holdoway wrote: Getmail to decode my other email addresses and split them between me and the boss properly at last! ( anyone got a little script to check hotmail accounts??? ) http://sourceforge.net/projects/gotmail Works well. Chad

Re: FILE PERMISSIONS

2004-02-25 Thread Dave
Thanks Christoper, I'll invesigate further I'm currently setting up Mepis (Debian) so any sugestions on the firewall?? cheers...dave On Wednesday 25 February 2004 22:51, you wrote: On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 22:20, Dave wrote: Hi all heres a curly one: what do you do when you

Re: FILE PERMISSIONS

2004-02-25 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 22:57, Dave wrote: Thanks Christoper, I'll invesigate further I'm currently setting up Mepis (Debian) so any sugestions on the firewall?? IPCop, it just goes and goes. They keep it up to date very efficiently too. The latest vulnerability was patched in about 24 hours.

Re: vCard...

2004-02-25 Thread Paul Wilkins
Nic Scott wrote: well... as much as I hate to rain on the parade mozilla-Thunderbird-0.4 seems to like it, little box with Add to personal address book? Hmm, that reminds me. With Thunderbird 0.4 when I try to add sender to address book, I get a nice little window with yellow background and

RE: What do you use Linux for?

2004-02-25 Thread Craig Falconer
Well I thought this thread was going to be boring... But there have been some interesting commments. Here's the special stuff I use linux for (in addition to all the standard stuff mentioned already) 1) Security camera - a little USB webcam positioned to look over the student's bags in the

Re: Church opensource.

2004-02-25 Thread Patrick Dunford
Nick Rout wrote: On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 16:36, Patrick Dunford wrote: Linux will give most people a cost saving. That has been justified to you a number of times in this thread. If you can't see it think again. Either you pay licensing fees (be they minimal or substantial) or you don't. With

RE: Church opensource.

2004-02-25 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
I would not say that I am tight, in fact I would consider myself the opposite. I do however like to have choices. If I have the choice of paying say $1000 for (legal) proprietary software to do all that I do with free Linux software I do not think twice about it. I am sure that the same picture

Re: Church opensource.

2004-02-25 Thread Jim Cheetham
On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 10:04, Patrick Dunford wrote: The reason why cost saving is not a big deal is that most people I know in church circles aren't that tight. Although in practice that's a fine answer, and it's quite likely the right answer for you, there's a fine line between having plenty

apt-get sources

2004-02-25 Thread Dave
Hi all I am curently having a play arount with apt-get on Mepis and the default sources list seems to be huge 50+ sources currently listed - stable/unstable/ testing I have added the NZ sources advised by Jim is it normal/desirable to have such large souge group? Forgive me if this is a bit

Re: apt-get sources

2004-02-25 Thread Jim Cheetham
On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 10:56, Dave wrote: I am curently having a play arount with apt-get on Mepis and the default sources list seems to be huge 50+ sources currently listed - stable/unstable/ testing is it normal/desirable to have such large souge group? Debian is mirrored in a lot of places

Duplicate Resolver for MS Outlook...

2004-02-25 Thread Don Gould
Yes I know this is not the right list for questions about MS Outlook 2000. My MS Outlook is currently filled with duplicate email messages because of a server problem somewhere in the system. MS Outlook doesn't have a way to automatically check for duplicates that I know if (please correct me if

Re: IPCop or Mandrake Network Firewall

2004-02-25 Thread Gareth Williams
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 23:31, David Taylor wrote: [snip] An alternative that looks promising is the Netboz firewall. It runs from the CD and loads config from floppy, there is a hack to load onto a hard drive, but it is made to run from a CD. That way there is no media that can be written to

Re: Duplicate Resolver for MS Outlook...

2004-02-25 Thread Nick Rout
sylpheed does. it is available for linux, not sure about windows. http://sylpheed.good-day.net i do not guarantee that it won't trash your inbox. I am not sure what algorithm it uses to check for duplicates. reading the source would tell you i guess :-) are you running a linux server or

Re: Duplicate Resolver for MS Outlook...

2004-02-25 Thread Jim Cheetham
On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 08:11, Don Gould wrote: Can you tell me what, if any, OSS GUI based mail systems do have duplicate checking as a standard option. None that I know of - on the other hand, if your message base were accessible from a unix command-line you would be able to use tools to strip

Re: apt-get sources

2004-02-25 Thread Nick Rout
The other thing is that you can in packages to particular sources, eg kde to unstable and ssh to stable. I am not sure how you actually do this but it is a separate file somewhere under /etc/apt I think. so although there may seem to be an excessive number of sources, some of them may be there

Re: Duplicate Resolver for MS Outlook...

2004-02-25 Thread Nick Rout
a really good place for outlook/exchange issues is http://www.slipstick.com/ On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:11:37 +1300 Don Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes I know this is not the right list for questions about MS Outlook 2000. My MS Outlook is currently filled with duplicate email messages

How many spam a day?

2004-02-25 Thread Nick Rout
Only slightly OT as there are many good spam filtering programs running on linux :-) Just wondering what other people are experiencing. I have 30 in the 14 odd hours since I last deleted tham all out of my spam box (after running sa-learn of course). -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: How many spam a day?

2004-02-25 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
I have a similar number at home and fortunately SpamAssassin is detecting them very well. Unfortunately here at work they are not filtered as well so I have to manually delete them. Regards, Robert Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windscreen. -Original Message- From:

Re: apt-get sources

2004-02-25 Thread Dave
Jim?Nick thanks for that -- cheersdave Mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent with Kmail - KDE Desktop 3.1.4 Mepis Linux - Kernel 2.4.22 (i686) ---BeginMessage--- 27]) by

Re: How many spam a day?

2004-02-25 Thread Jim Cheetham
On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 12:30, Nick Rout wrote: Just wondering what other people are experiencing. I have 30 in the 14 odd hours since I last deleted tham all out of my spam box (after running sa-learn of course). Don't know :-) Everything that SpamAssassin matches is /dev/null'ed. Damn the

Re: How many spam a day?

2004-02-25 Thread Nick Rout
yeah i'm still nervous about the false positive thing. I do agree that /dev/null is the best place for spam and the degenerates who send it. On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:39:38 +1300 Jim Cheetham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 12:30, Nick Rout wrote: Just wondering what other people

Re: Church opensource.

2004-02-25 Thread Carl Cerecke
Patrick Dunford wrote: The current church I attend is a smaller one about 200 in size. They don't have a lot of money, but were able to come up with enough to buy the PC, projector and Windows software they needed, because it represented about one or two weeks' offerings. Now maybe a church

RE: Church opensource. Getting OT here...

2004-02-25 Thread Steve Bell
I reckon it's just that the church is viewed as out-of-date and out-of-touch. To me it ain't about keeping up with anyone, it's providing people with an opportunity to worship that is relevant to them in their culture. Just like there's nothing wrong with Hymns, but modern pop/rock styled

Re: How many spam a day?

2004-02-25 Thread Chad
5-7 a week spread out over 4 email addresses. Use spamassassin to catch them and it gets most of them. Oldest email address is about 5 years old, a hotmail one. Chad Nick Rout wrote: Only slightly OT as there are many good spam filtering programs running on linux :-) Just wondering what

network problem

2004-02-25 Thread Roger Searle
Hi . . . I've put mandrake 9.2 on my notebook and can't get it communicating with my network (so no internet either). The switch, cables and cards are all functioning as the desktop machines can ping OK, regardless of whether they are running XP or mandrake, and the laptop pings the

Re: How many spam a day?

2004-02-25 Thread Rex Johnston
Nick Rout wrote: Only slightly OT as there are many good spam filtering programs running on linux :-) Just wondering what other people are experiencing. I have 30 in the 14 odd hours since I last deleted tham all out of my spam box (after running sa-learn of course). I typically get one every

how many spams...

2004-02-25 Thread dave
heaps. note to self Stop and get a good spam filter program!! numbers well go figure one day i got 100 emails sent to the trash folder by me, and that was before i read the emails that were from here g and from my inbox. I think i must also change my address and kill this one.

Re: network problem

2004-02-25 Thread Rex Johnston
Roger Searle wrote: Notebook IP address 192.168.0.9/255.255.255.0. It has an onboard realtek RTL-8139 network module, the hardware control centre correctly identifies it and lists the 8139too module (driver?). I can ping localhost and ping the IP address on the notebook OK. I can't ping

RE: how many spams...

2004-02-25 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
I saw an article on the TV news recently which claimed that the amount of SPAM had doubled in the last two months. This might be OK for those who were getting one a day before but I would tend to agree that my Spam seems to have increased heaps lately up to 30 or 40 a day. (Some of you might

RE: Everyone uses it Was:Church opensource.

2004-02-25 Thread Don Gould
What I'm picking up from this threed is that no one is clear what the rules are exactly. :) Anyone for a cup of GNU/GPL tea? Cheers Don -Original Message- From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 12:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:

Re: How many spam a day?

2004-02-25 Thread Chris Wilkinson
Hi there, Nick Rout wrote: Only slightly OT as there are many good spam filtering programs running on linux :-) Just wondering what other people are experiencing. I have 30 in the 14 odd hours since I last deleted tham all out of my spam box (after running sa-learn of course). I get a ginormously

bittorrent-3.3-1.noarch.rpm

2004-02-25 Thread dave
got this today. thought i have a play (so to speak with it) now ie got it installed but i am miffed if i can see how to get the girl to play!!! (maybe it´s not the right rpm) but anyway the files i´ve got are shown here below and the only doc i have was a readme that explained howto setup a

Re: how many spams...

2004-02-25 Thread Johnno
The mail server I run gets about 30-100 Spam messages a minute that are tagged or rejected. Johnno - Original Message - From: dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: clug [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 3:48 PM Subject: how many spams... heaps. note to self Stop and

RE: bittorrent-3.3-1.noarch.rpm

2004-02-25 Thread David Taylor
Linux runs Java right? Take a look at the Azureus project at sourceforge. It has some very nice features and a decent gui to admin all the downloads. No matter what the client is, you need to find .torrent files to start the peering process. Google is your friend there. Most are shut down by

Re: How many spam a day?

2004-02-25 Thread John S Veitch
Nick Wrote: yeah I’m still nervous about the false positive thing. I solved that using the word processor and a macro. Important for me because my ISP, Cyberxpress is killing 250+ every day for me. About 3pm I get the abbreviated headers of the killed mail. Sender and subject line essentially.

Re: Church opensource.

2004-02-25 Thread anton
Jim Cheetham wrote: On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 10:04, Patrick Dunford wrote: The reason why cost saving is not a big deal is that most people I know in church circles aren't that tight. Although in practice that's a fine answer, and it's quite likely the right answer for you, there's a fine line

RE: What do you use Linux for?

2004-02-25 Thread Don Gould
I have so much stuff that it would take me another life time to compile the list. This is my own fault! My mother always told me to only take one (at a time). My father never thru out anything that looked useful. I'm sure you can see where this is going :) I'm in the process of building a few

RE: Everyone uses it Was:Church opensource.

2004-02-25 Thread Don Gould
That was my general understanding. I talked to people at my local primary in wellington and was told that they can get what ever software they want on their system. HTH Cheers Don -Original Message- From: Carl Douglas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004

Re: Church opensource.

2004-02-25 Thread Patrick Dunford
Carl Cerecke wrote: Patrick Dunford wrote: The current church I attend is a smaller one about 200 in size. They don't have a lot of money, but were able to come up with enough to buy the PC, projector and Windows software they needed, because it represented about one or two weeks' offerings.

Re: How many spam a day?

2004-02-25 Thread Nick Rout
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:12, Chris Wilkinson wrote: Hi there, Nick Rout wrote: Only slightly OT as there are many good spam filtering programs running on linux :-) Just wondering what other people are experiencing. I have 30 in the 14 odd hours since I last deleted tham all out of my

Re: bittorrent-3.3-1.noarch.rpm

2004-02-25 Thread Chad
Check for a program called btdownloadergui or something similar. If it's not there you'll probably need to fnd and install bittorrent-gui-3.3 dave wrote: got this today. thought i have a play (so to speak with it) now ie got it installed but i am miffed if i can see how to get the girl to

Re: Everyone uses it Was:Church opensource.

2004-02-25 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:12, Carl Douglas wrote: I can't say I like the idea that the taxes I pay are covering Microsoft licencing. As a LUG I believe we ought to point our flamethrowers towards the government, and enlist other LUGs to lobby MPs to recognize GNU/Linux as a viable option in

Re: network problem

2004-02-25 Thread Roger Searle
Rex Johnston wrote: Roger Searle wrote: Notebook IP address 192.168.0.9/255.255.255.0. It has an onboard realtek RTL-8139 network module, the hardware control centre correctly identifies it and lists the 8139too module (driver?). I can ping localhost and ping the IP address on the notebook

Re: network problem

2004-02-25 Thread Rex Johnston
On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 15:45, Roger Searle wrote: inet addr:192.168.0.9 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 The second entry is your broadcast address. Cheers, Rex

Re: IPCop or Mandrake Network Firewall

2004-02-25 Thread Kerry Mayes
Assuming you are talking about Mandrake's Simple Network Firewall - SNF 7.2 (Have they got a later version out? They hadn't last I looked) - my vote would be 100% with IPCop. Admittedly I am very much a linux newbie and struggle with it till I get direction. However, here is my story with SNF