Re: Gentoo Installfest (in Robert's garage)
Robert Himmelmann wrote: I will come if I can. I have a Yakumo laptop with 1Gb Ram, an AMD Athlon 64 3000+ and a 40Gb Hd. At the moment I am using double boot with SuSE's Grub for SuSE and Windows XP. That would be triple boot later. For comleteness: I also have a DVD-RW-RAM-burner, 100Mbit Ethernet and a USB-mouse. -- Happy Hacking, Robert Himmelmann A classic is something that everybody wants to have read and nobody wants to read. -- Mark Twain fortune's Contribution of the Month to the Animal Rights Debate: I'll stay out of animals' way if they'll stay out of mine. Hey you, get off my plate -- Roger Midnight
Re: Gentoo Installfest (in Robert's garage)
Sounds nice. Where about is this garage situated, at what time are we going to start and could someone pick me up and bring me back? I live at Bryndwr/Fendalton, 85, Idris Road (near crossing of Idris and Jeffrey's Road). [1] This is Robert's new garage, large and comfortable, as opposed to the more cramped version last year. This time we will be able to swing a cat, although we may need to BYO cat. -- Happy Hacking, Robert Himmelmann A classic is something that everybody wants to have read and nobody wants to read. -- Mark Twain fortune's Contribution of the Month to the Animal Rights Debate: I'll stay out of animals' way if they'll stay out of mine. Hey you, get off my plate -- Roger Midnight
Re: Fix Up evening - 12 April
On Mar 22, 2005, at 4:39 PM, Douglas Royds wrote: *Move my /home onto the / partition* Well, that's generally seen as a bad move, if you expect to be doing any destructive upgrading/testing of your OS. Despite that :-) Ubuntu by default just lump everything into one big / partition, for simplicity :-) But, if you expect to be wanting to do something like install a different OS, you really need /home to be separate.
Paste in Emacs
When I start emacs (not XEmacs) in a graphical session I can not use yank (C-y) to paste text I copied from another application or paste copied (M-x) text in other applications. Is there any way of doing that? -- Happy Hacking, Robert Himmelmann A classic is something that everybody wants to have read and nobody wants to read. -- Mark Twain fortune's Contribution of the Month to the Animal Rights Debate: I'll stay out of animals' way if they'll stay out of mine. Hey you, get off my plate -- Roger Midnight
Re: Paste in Emacs
Robert Himmelmann wrote: When I start emacs (not XEmacs) in a graphical session I can not use yank (C-y) to paste text I copied from another application or paste copied (M-x) text in other applications. Is there any way of doing that? vim - (n)yy ( amongst many ) followed by p or P to paste (: Steve Real men use...
Re: Paste in Emacs
Hi, same way as it is done when copying between consoles. left button down, highlight region of text. release left button. Move to desired destination. depress middle button. If you have one emeacs session, with multiple windows visible, you can highlight in one window, move to the second window and C-y to past. Derek. P.S. check out your roots and experience the origins of linux - use emacs. On Tue, 22 Mar 2005, Robert Himmelmann wrote: When I start emacs (not XEmacs) in a graphical session I can not use yank (C-y) to paste text I copied from another application or paste copied (M-x) text in other applications. Is there any way of doing that? -- Derek Smithies Ph.D. IndraNet Technologies Ltd. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ph +64 3 365 6485 Web: http://www.indranet-technologies.com/
Re: Gentoo Installfest (in Robert's garage)
On Tue, 2005-03-22 at 18:23 +1200, Tony Patterson wrote: True. Well I'll see if he can hang at his Mums for that day or I'll bring some entertainment :) Would the following w/e be better? One of the other customers can't make the proposed date. -- C. S. Any time is fine for me. He is with me every weekend so I can just grab a laptop from work and bring a few dvds or try to get Warcraft 3 running on it :) So, no problems here with changing the date if that helps others. Also I forgot to mention before that I have an ati radeon 9800 pro video card and an Intel 100 nic. My 9 year old may be there for part of the time, they can play one of those awful kill-them-over-the-network games. -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Paste in Emacs
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:19, Steve Holdoway wrote: Robert Himmelmann wrote: When I start emacs (not XEmacs) in a graphical session I can not use yank (C-y) to paste text I copied from another application or paste copied (M-x) text in other applications. Is there any way of doing that? vim - (n)yy ( amongst many ) followed by p or P to paste (: Steve Real men use... the vi mode inside emacs.
Getting root-ed
Anyone seen this before? http://root.cern.ch/root/Mission.html I was looking for a C interpreter, when I chanced upon Cint at CERN. The Cint page told me in all seriousness that it was part of ROOT, so I looked. And decided to download the silly thing. Why ROOT? Having had many years of experience in developing the interactive data analysis systems PAW and PIAF and the simulation package GEANT, we realized that the growth and maintainability of these products, written in FORTRAN and using some 20 year old libraries, had reached its limits. Although still very popular, these systems do not scale up to the challenges offered by the LHC, where the amount of data to be simulated and analyzed is a few orders of magnitude larger than anything seen before. Back in 1998 when I was mulling over designing and implementing a TCAS - Traffice Collision Advisory System - for aircraft (I got as far as working out the structure and which F/LOSS bits and pieces I would need - GNATS, finger, fping, fsp, GPS, and a host of realitime enhancements to Linux 0 before deciding after ringing up Trimble to ask for documenation on their GPS receivers and being ignored, to can it.) I also got to thinking about base stations, etc, at control towers, and what they would need. This sounds like just the sort of thing I would've needed. I don't know how cluttered European and American airspace is, but it's bound to be a few magnitudes larger than New Zealand. Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people.
Re: Getting root-ed
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:20, Wesley Parish wrote: Anyone seen this before? http://root.cern.ch/root/Mission.html I was looking for a C interpreter, when I chanced upon Cint at CERN. The Cint page told me in all seriousness that it was part of ROOT, so I looked. And decided to download the silly thing. Can you share any first impressions of it/them? -- C. S.
Re: Not everyone pleased with new Mandrake renaming/release schedule
Jamie Dobbs wrote: According to a recent post on Slashdot.org Mandrake are changing their release cycle once again... Some food for thought perhaps? What do people think of Mandrake (yet again) changing their release cycles and naming conventions? Doesn't bother me. At least they've a decent reason this time and the resulting product should be worth the wait if they do things properly. Chad
Re: Paste in Emacs
Derek Smithies wrote: Hi, same way as it is done when copying between consoles. I don't mean when opening Emacs in a console. When I press M-F2 and type in Emacs ENTER there comes a window no console. Under that window I have also support for mouse, scrollbars and nicer menu-bars then in Emacs under console. When I start emacs (not XEmacs) in a graphical session I can not use yank (C-y) to paste text I copied from another application or paste copied (M-x) text in other applications. Is there any way of doing that -- Happy Hacking, Robert Himmelmann A classic is something that everybody wants to have read and nobody wants to read. -- Mark Twain fortune's Contribution of the Month to the Animal Rights Debate: I'll stay out of animals' way if they'll stay out of mine. Hey you, get off my plate -- Roger Midnight
internet performance...
I'm over here in telstraclear land, and I seem to be getting really bad performance this morning. ssh sessions locking up, http pages hanging, that kind of thing. Can't find any reason - even rebooted the ipcop firewall in desperation. Is it just me??? Steve -- Windows: Where do you want to go today? MacOS: Where do you want to be tomorrow? Linux: Are you coming or what?
Re: Gentoo Installfest (in Robert's garage)
Sorry, I will also have to pass on this one. The whole of April is a no show for me. Maybe another time. Lance Blackler - Original Message - From: Dave G [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 5:53 PM Subject: Re: Gentoo Installfest (in Robert's garage) On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:56, Nick Rout wrote: A few people expressed interest in coming along to Robert's Rooomy Garage [1] to have gentoo installed.[2] I have it on good authority that we should have access to the 2005.0 release in time to do this on Saturday 9 April. So, can we have some confirmation of who will be coming for an install. So far I can recall (without wading thru the entire archives): Robert Himmelman Dave (gevad at orcon) Shane Hollis (?) Xhen (xhen at paradise) Lance Blackler Nick Co many thanks for remembering me for the installfest I would definitely have been a starter however I can't make it on Saturday 9 April as I'm I'm away for the whole weekend (Friday - Sunday) however if there is a change of date count me in (if poss) cheersdave garlick Mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kmail/Kontact KDE Desktop 3.3.2 SimplyMEPIS Linux - Kernel 2.6.7 (i686)
Re: internet performance...
On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 08:29:30AM +1200, Steve Holdoway wrote: I'm over here in telstraclear land, and I seem to be getting really bad performance this morning. ssh sessions locking up, http pages hanging, that kind of thing. Can't find any reason - even rebooted the ipcop firewall in desperation. Is it just me??? Steve -- Windows: Where do you want to go today? MacOS: Where do you want to be tomorrow? Linux: Are you coming or what? Na got the same issue - pages not loading etc. Something is definitely screwy! cheers Daryn == The PalmHeads http://www.planetnz.com/palmheads
Re: Fix Up evening - 12 April
Jim Cheetham wrote: On Mar 22, 2005, at 4:39 PM, Douglas Royds wrote: *Move my /home onto the / partition* Well, that's generally seen as a bad move, if you expect to be doing any destructive upgrading/testing of your OS. I propose to have all my documents on a separate (FAT) partition, so they will be unaffected by any destructive upgrade. That leaves the configuration information that is stored in ~/.this_and_that/... How would this stuff be affected by an upgrade? === This email, including any attachments, is only for the intended addressee. It is subject to copyright, is confidential and may be the subject of legal or other privilege, none of which is waived or lost by reason of this transmission. If the receiver is not the intended addressee, please accept our apologies, notify us by return, delete all copies and perform no other act on the email. Unfortunately, we cannot warrant that the email has not been altered or corrupted during transmission. ===
RE: Gentoo Installfest (in Robert's garage)
OK with me - the venue host Regards, Robert -Original Message- From: Christopher Sawtell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2005 6:12 p.m. To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz Subject:Re: Gentoo Installfest (in Robert's garage) On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Poor kid! Unless he's a mega-genius, he'll be bored to tears! Watching text fly up screens isn't exactly exciting for anybody. True. Well I'll see if he can hang at his Mums for that day or I'll bring some entertainment :) Would the following w/e be better? One of the other customers can't make the proposed date. -- C. S.
RE: ethereal's icon
Here are some notes I made a while ago To find files or folders locate name locate name | less (e.g. locate icon | less) locate name | most (e.g. locate icon | most) locate name | grep another_name | most (e.g. locate icons | grep mozilla | most) or qpkg -l mozilla|grep icons|less Regards, Robert -Original Message- From: Roger Searle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2005 7:11 p.m. To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz Subject:ethereal's icon Hi - I can use [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ locate ethereal | grep bin /usr/X11R6/bin/ethereal and create a desktop icon to launch it, but can't find the usual icon - locate ethereal | grep icon or grep ico gives nothing. Where would I locate the icon? It's not one of the standard ones available through the properties of a desktop icon. Cheers, Roger
Re: internet performance...
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:29, Steve Holdoway wrote: I'm over here in telstraclear land, and I seem to be getting really bad performance this morning. ssh sessions locking up, http pages hanging, that kind of thing. Can't find any reason - even rebooted the ipcop firewall in desperation. Is it just me??? No, Ping times across the local T/C seem very slow today and drops packets. --- apple.com ping statistics --- 4 packets transmitted, 3 received, 25% packet loss, time 3002ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 171.842/172.432/173.518/0.768 ms [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ ping shell.clug.org.nz PING shell.clug.org.nz (202.0.42.116) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=1 ttl=63 time=1234 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=3 ttl=63 time=1262 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=4 ttl=63 time=1166 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=5 ttl=63 time=665 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=6 ttl=63 time=277 ms --- shell.clug.org.nz ping statistics --- 7 packets transmitted, 5 received, 28% packet loss, time 6002ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 277.267/920.938/1262.061/388.403 ms, pipe 2 I was able to ssh into shell.clug.org.nz without any trouble, but it wasn't very fast. Yet across the world seems fairly normal. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ ping apple.com PING apple.com (17.254.3.183) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from apple.com (17.254.3.183): icmp_seq=1 ttl=45 time=173 ms 64 bytes from apple.com (17.254.3.183): icmp_seq=2 ttl=45 time=171 ms 64 bytes from apple.com (17.254.3.183): icmp_seq=3 ttl=45 time=171 ms --- apple.com ping statistics --- 4 packets transmitted, 3 received, 25% packet loss, time 3002ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 171.842/172.432/173.518/0.768 ms -- C. S.
RE: Gentoo Installfest (in Robert's garage)
I live in Queenspark (Parklands) The address is 5 Belgrove Place but it is a new street and probably not on your map. Easy directions:- Half way down Inwoods Road turn into a (new) street called Bottle Lake Drive then turn left into Belgrove Place. I am happy to start about 9. It is probably best if Nick Chris and I set up our servers, tables, whiteboards etc. first. Regards, Robert -Original Message- From: Robert Himmelmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2005 8:43 p.m. To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz Subject:Re: Gentoo Installfest (in Robert's garage) Sounds nice. Where about is this garage situated, at what time are we going to start and could someone pick me up and bring me back? I live at Bryndwr/Fendalton, 85, Idris Road (near crossing of Idris and Jeffrey's Road). [1] This is Robert's new garage, large and comfortable, as opposed to the more cramped version last year. This time we will be able to swing a cat, although we may need to BYO cat. -- Happy Hacking, Robert Himmelmann A classic is something that everybody wants to have read and nobody wants to read. -- Mark Twain fortune's Contribution of the Month to the Animal Rights Debate: I'll stay out of animals' way if they'll stay out of mine. Hey you, get off my plate -- Roger Midnight
Re: Fix Up evening - 12 April
Douglas Royds wrote: *Move my /home onto the / partition* Well, that's generally seen as a bad move, if you expect to be doing any destructive upgrading/testing of your OS. I propose to have all my documents on a separate (FAT) partition, so they will be unaffected by any destructive upgrade. That leaves the configuration information that is stored in ~/.this_and_that/... How would this stuff be affected by an upgrade? Some people regard their application configuration settings (all those pesky . files) as their documents :-) or at least just as important as them. So it would be inconvenient to lose them - like ssh keys, thunderbird account settings and so on. I doubt that things like this could be stored on a FAT filesystem, due to the limitations on permissions and so on, but you could surprise me :-) As far as upgrades go, if you're sticking with your current OS and upgrading, there should never be anything destructive done. But if you wanted to install a Mandrake over the top of a Debian, say (no, I know that no-one would actually *do* such a thing :-) but stick with me here!) the best method is to let the installer reformat the root partition and then copy files in. Under these circumstances, you'd loose your $HOME. And with that you'd lose your email cache and account settings, preferences for the desktop settings, and so on ... -jim
Re: Gentoo Installfest (in Robert's garage)
Nick Rout said: My 9 year old may be there for part of the time, they can play one of those awful kill-them-over-the-network games. We could play movies for them too. We have a few. -- Robert Fisher www.fisher.net.nz
Re: ethereal's icon
I struck out last night with Nick's direction on this, none of the methods revealed any obvious signs of icons! I'm going to change tack on this one a little and look to upgrade ethereal, the one on my home desktop is 0.10.3 from memory and a more recent one is available. The whole topic of software upgrades in linux is one that I really struggle with (piece of cake in windows) so a new thread on ethereal upgrade will appear before too long ie when I can find the time. Cheers, Roger Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: Here are some notes I made a while ago To find files or folders locate name locate name | less (e.g. locate icon | less) locate name | most (e.g. locate icon | most) locate name | grep another_name | most (e.g. locate icons | grep mozilla | most) or qpkg -l mozilla|grep icons|less Regards, Robert -Original Message- From: Roger Searle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2005 7:11 p.m. To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz Subject: ethereal's icon Hi - I can use [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ locate ethereal | grep bin /usr/X11R6/bin/ethereal and create a desktop icon to launch it, but can't find the usual icon - locate ethereal | grep icon or grep ico gives nothing. Where would I locate the icon? It's not one of the standard ones available through the properties of a desktop icon. Cheers, Roger
Re: internet performance...
No, Ping times across the local T/C seem very slow today and drops packets. Only some network parts seem to be affected. Email sort of at least works, and I get ping times to uni of 25ms. Some web pages never load though. VOlker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me.
Re: internet performance...
On Wed, March 23, 2005 9:05 am, Christopher Sawtell said: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:29, Steve Holdoway wrote: I'm over here in telstraclear land, and I seem to be getting really bad performance this morning. ssh sessions locking up, http pages hanging, that kind of thing. Can't find any reason - even rebooted the ipcop firewall in desperation. Is it just me??? No, Ping times across the local T/C seem very slow today and drops packets. [snip] I think you might find that the dropped packets reported are caused by those sent before ^C was sent, but hadn't returned. Do you get the same results with ping -c 10 ? Steve -- Windows: Where do you want to go today? MacOS: Where do you want to be tomorrow? Linux: Are you coming or what?
Re: internet performance...
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:20, Steve Holdoway wrote: On Wed, March 23, 2005 9:05 am, Christopher Sawtell said: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:29, Steve Holdoway wrote: I'm over here in telstraclear land, and I seem to be getting really bad performance this morning. ssh sessions locking up, http pages hanging, that kind of thing. Can't find any reason - even rebooted the ipcop firewall in desperation. Is it just me??? No, Ping times across the local T/C seem very slow today and drops packets. [snip] I think you might find that the dropped packets reported are caused by those sent before ^C was sent, but hadn't returned. Do you get the same results with ping -c 10 ? More or less. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ ping -c 10 shell.clug.org.nz PING shell.clug.org.nz (202.0.42.116) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=1 ttl=63 time=1200 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=2 ttl=63 time=1197 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=3 ttl=63 time=914 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=4 ttl=63 time=915 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=5 ttl=63 time=1464 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=6 ttl=63 time=1367 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=7 ttl=63 time=1714 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=9 ttl=63 time=1984 ms --- shell.clug.org.nz ping statistics --- 10 packets transmitted, 8 received, 20% packet loss, time 9003ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 914.023/1344.735/1984.523/348.794 ms, pipe 2 Web surfing to overseas sites seems to be ok now. -- C. S.
Re: ethereal's icon
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:13, Roger Searle wrote: I struck out last night with Nick's direction on this, none of the methods revealed any obvious signs of icons! I'm going to change tack on this one a little and look to upgrade ethereal, the one on my home desktop is 0.10.3 from memory and a more recent one is available. The whole topic of software upgrades in linux is one that I really struggle with (piece of cake in windows) so a new thread on ethereal upgrade will appear before too long ie when I can find the time. Upgrades is the one thing that both Gentoo and Debian have both sorted out properly. Consider coming to the Gentoo MiniInstallFest. -- C. S.
RE: internet performance...
Of course it doesn't help that it's a fairly bust 256 K connection serving several web sites as well as the clug server. -Original Message- From: Christopher Sawtell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2005 9:40 a.m. To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz Subject: Re: internet performance... On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:20, Steve Holdoway wrote: On Wed, March 23, 2005 9:05 am, Christopher Sawtell said: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:29, Steve Holdoway wrote: I'm over here in telstraclear land, and I seem to be getting really bad performance this morning. ssh sessions locking up, http pages hanging, that kind of thing. Can't find any reason - even rebooted the ipcop firewall in desperation. Is it just me??? No, Ping times across the local T/C seem very slow today and drops packets. [snip] I think you might find that the dropped packets reported are caused by those sent before ^C was sent, but hadn't returned. Do you get the same results with ping -c 10 ? More or less. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ ping -c 10 shell.clug.org.nz PING shell.clug.org.nz (202.0.42.116) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=1 ttl=63 time=1200 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=2 ttl=63 time=1197 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=3 ttl=63 time=914 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=4 ttl=63 time=915 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=5 ttl=63 time=1464 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=6 ttl=63 time=1367 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=7 ttl=63 time=1714 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=9 ttl=63 time=1984 ms --- shell.clug.org.nz ping statistics --- 10 packets transmitted, 8 received, 20% packet loss, time 9003ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 914.023/1344.735/1984.523/348.794 ms, pipe 2 Web surfing to overseas sites seems to be ok now. -- C. S.
Re: internet performance...
On Wed, March 23, 2005 9:39 am, Christopher Sawtell said: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:20, Steve Holdoway wrote: On Wed, March 23, 2005 9:05 am, Christopher Sawtell said: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:29, Steve Holdoway wrote: I'm over here in telstraclear land, and I seem to be getting really bad performance this morning. ssh sessions locking up, http pages hanging, that kind of thing. Can't find any reason - even rebooted the ipcop firewall in desperation. Is it just me??? No, Ping times across the local T/C seem very slow today and drops packets. [snip] I think you might find that the dropped packets reported are caused by those sent before ^C was sent, but hadn't returned. Do you get the same results with ping -c 10 ? More or less. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ ping -c 10 shell.clug.org.nz PING shell.clug.org.nz (202.0.42.116) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=1 ttl=63 time=1200 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=2 ttl=63 time=1197 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=3 ttl=63 time=914 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=4 ttl=63 time=915 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=5 ttl=63 time=1464 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=6 ttl=63 time=1367 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=7 ttl=63 time=1714 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=9 ttl=63 time=1984 ms --- shell.clug.org.nz ping statistics --- 10 packets transmitted, 8 received, 20% packet loss, time 9003ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 914.023/1344.735/1984.523/348.794 ms, pipe 2 Web surfing to overseas sites seems to be ok now. -- C. S. I used a really long ttl... all got through, but the time varies from 55ms to 1.6s! server:/var/log ping -t 100 -c 10 shell.clug.org.nz PING shell.clug.org.nz (202.0.42.116) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=1657 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=2 ttl=56 time=1008 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=3 ttl=56 time=713 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=4 ttl=56 time=55.7 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=5 ttl=56 time=703 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=6 ttl=56 time=907 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=7 ttl=56 time=1152 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=8 ttl=56 time=717 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=9 ttl=56 time=1121 ms 64 bytes from criggie.dyndns.org (202.0.42.116): icmp_seq=10 ttl=56 time=1313 ms --- shell.clug.org.nz ping statistics --- 10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9006ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 55.790/935.257/1657.812/409.572 ms, pipe 2 So I looked at how it was getting there... server:/var/log traceroute shell.clug.org.nz traceroute to shell.clug.org.nz (202.0.42.116), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 192.168.1.254 (192.168.1.254) 0.343 ms 0.212 ms 0.349 ms 2 clear-chc1-bsn1.christchurch.clear.net.nz (203.97.26.224) 10.635 ms 10.334 ms 10.750 ms 3 ba2-fe4-1-0-2-chch.christchurch.clix.net.nz (203.97.9.2) 130.512 ms 203.167.222.138 (203.167.222.138) 11.042 ms 203.167.222.139 (203.167.222.139) 178.851 ms 4 203.97.1.109 (203.97.1.109) 30.181 ms 203.167.220.230 (203.167.220.230) 16.125 ms 203.97.1.109 (203.97.1.109) 17.283 ms 5 ba1-fe6-1-0-1-wgtn.wellington.clix.net.nz (203.97.9.24) 17.193 ms 17.544 ms 18.045 ms 6 telstraclear1.wix.net.nz (202.7.0.70) 21.766 ms 19.984 ms 20.049 ms 7 fa7-4-1042.bertha.tce.telstraclear.net (203.98.23.42) 25.445 ms 20.379 ms 21.964 ms 8 fa0-0-ar2-i-tstc.paradise.net.nz (203.96.153.77) 28.214 ms 24.403 ms 28.849 ms no useful output after that, but it's been about a bit already ): Steve -- Windows: Where do you want to go today? MacOS: Where do you want to be tomorrow? Linux: Are you coming or what?
Re: ethereal's icon
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:44:35 +1200 Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:13, Roger Searle wrote: I struck out last night with Nick's direction on this, none of the methods revealed any obvious signs of icons! I'm going to change tack on this one a little and look to upgrade ethereal, the one on my home desktop is 0.10.3 from memory and a more recent one is available. The whole topic of software upgrades in linux is one that I really struggle with (piece of cake in windows) so a new thread on ethereal upgrade will appear before too long ie when I can find the time. Upgrades is the one thing that both Gentoo and Debian have both sorted out properly. Consider coming to the Gentoo MiniInstallFest. Don't worry Chris, so does SuSE Roger what version of SuSE are you running? -- C. S. -- Nick Rout
Re: ethereal's icon
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:13:56 +1200 Roger Searle wrote: I struck out last night with Nick's direction on this, none of the methods revealed any obvious signs of icons! I'm going to change tack on this one a little and look to upgrade ethereal, the one on my home desktop is 0.10.3 from memory and a more recent one is available. The whole topic of software upgrades in linux is one that I really struggle with (piece of cake in windows) so a new thread on ethereal upgrade will appear before too long ie when I can find the time. I discovered that the SuSE 9.1 rpm for ethereal does not contain any icons. I am not sure why, because when I compile ethereal on my gentoo box the icons are installed (see my message last night). Does SuSE install icons via some generic icon package, or has it just left the ethereal ones out? Cheers, Roger -- Nick Rout
Re: ethereal's icon
desktop is 0.10.3 from memory and a more recent one is available. The whole topic of software upgrades in linux is one that I really struggle with (piece of cake in windows) It's a cake on Linux too if you manage to restrict yourself to the offerings of your $VENDOR. If you venture outside of that limit, things are trickier. They would be trickier on Redmond too, though perhaps not as much - if you stick to the reurgitated fare served to you via some auto-installer. There are maybe half a dozen versions of Redmond total, on Linux you have to count this per $VENDOR. That's the price you pay for diversity and virus protection. I discovered that the SuSE 9.1 rpm for ethereal does not contain any icons. I am not sure why, because when I compile ethereal on my gentoo box the icons are installed (see my message last night). I count this as a packaging bug, though I leave reporting of same to the participants in this thread. Does SuSE install icons via some generic icon package, or has it just left the ethereal ones out? Both, by the looks of it. There is a wm-icons package, but it doesn't contain anything called ethereal. There are however two ethereal icons in the, sit down, samba-doc package, but they're part of the samba html documentation and these icons are not installed as desktop icons. It is possible to install icons by just copying them into the right place. This can be done on the system as well as for each user. The directory structures are /opt/kde3/share/icons/ ~/.kde/share/icons/ for KDE, don't know (or much care) for gnome. Keep in mind that there is a directory per icon size, and another per icon scheme, i.e. you have different icon files per scheme and per size. You also need to persuade KDE to refresh its idea of what icons are available, the easiest (and most annoying) is to restart KDE, though opening a second login session helps a lot. No doubt there's a messaging command to cause a refresh as well, dunno how to work out what it is though. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me.
Re: ethereal's icon
Nick Rout wrote: Roger what version of SuSE are you running? 9.1. My quick google of the problem last night revealed the absence of icons in earlier releases of ethereal, which lead me to conclude the best approach would be the latest release. However your determination of it being more a general suse rpm thing mean that is not the case. I had a similar situation with a mozilla package a few months back, the icons for which were easily located. Using the same approach now didn't work, I'm happy to know that it's not me! Anyone care to email me some ethereal icons? Anyway I can live with a green generic suse icon a red love heart if needed... Cheers, Roger -- C. S.
Re: ethereal's icon
I will email them off list later. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:21:12 +1200 Roger Searle wrote: Nick Rout wrote: Roger what version of SuSE are you running? 9.1. My quick google of the problem last night revealed the absence of icons in earlier releases of ethereal, which lead me to conclude the best approach would be the latest release. However your determination of it being more a general suse rpm thing mean that is not the case. I had a similar situation with a mozilla package a few months back, the icons for which were easily located. Using the same approach now didn't work, I'm happy to know that it's not me! Anyone care to email me some ethereal icons? Anyway I can live with a green generic suse icon a red love heart if needed... Cheers, Roger -- C. S. -- Nick Rout Barrister Solicitor Christchurch http://www.rout.co.nz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ethereal's icon
Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:13, Roger Searle wrote: I struck out last night with Nick's direction on this, none of the methods revealed any obvious signs of icons! I'm going to change tack on this one a little and look to upgrade ethereal, the one on my home desktop is 0.10.3 from memory and a more recent one is available. The whole topic of software upgrades in linux is one that I really struggle with (piece of cake in windows) so a new thread on ethereal upgrade will appear before too long ie when I can find the time. Upgrades is the one thing that both Gentoo and Debian have both sorted out properly. Consider coming to the Gentoo MiniInstallFest. Thanks for the invite, I was nearly an attendee last time round and some family thing got in the way. I've swapped distributions a few times leading up to suse and think I'll stay put for now. The huge differences between windows and linux in terms of software installations and upgrades is something that used to make my head spin - still does - the ease with which I can do it in windows and the difficulties (usually total failures) and mistakes I have previously had in linux have made me really resistant to learning the ins and outs to the point of not using anything that doesn't come on the install disks (that much I can do). It's time for me to get over myself and get on with it... Roger -- C. S.
Re: ethereal's icon
Roger Searle said: The huge differences between windows and linux in terms of software installations and upgrades is something that used to make my head spin - still does - the ease with which I can do it in windows and the difficulties (usually total failures) and mistakes I have previously had in linux have made me really resistant to learning the ins and outs to the point of not using anything that doesn't come on the install disks (that much I can do). It's time for me to get over myself and get on with it... Roger, I was in a similar situation to you with similar experiences when Nick did a brief presentation of Gentoo at a CLUG meeting. The apparent ease of installing and upgrading packages really interested me so I gave it a go and have been a devotee since. Often I do not really understand what I am doing (I am no Guru) but usually package installation and upgrade is just so simple. (Mind you, I have to say that my recent experiments with SuSE, Ubuntu and Mepis have shown that Linux for the masses has come a long way in the last couple of years) -- Robert Fisher www.fisher.net.nz
Re: Gentoo Installfest (in Robert's garage)
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:56:30 +1200, Nick Rout wrote: A few people expressed interest in coming along to Robert's Rooomy Garage [1] to have gentoo installed.[2] [snippity-snip] There may be others interested? Yes. Yuri (yuri att degroot ddot geek dottt nz) Those that do want to come, please post the architecture of your machine, ie what sort of processor. Some basic specs (Ram, spare HD space, cpu speed) would be good too as I don't want to have 10 pentium one's turn up on the day :) [3] NEC Versa Laptop P4, 2Ghz, 256MB (I think), about 8GB free on HD. Onboard sound and ethernet work with Mandrake 10.0. Sound works in full-duplex. Onboard winmodem not important. Yuri -- ** WARNING to mailing list repliers ** Gmail over-rides Reply-To: field. Check your To: address before sending reply to this post.
Re: ethereal's icon
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:23, Nick Rout wrote: I will email them off list later. I've sent him a 64x64, I hope he knows what to do with it. -- C. S.
Re: ethereal's icon
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:25:32 +1200 Roger Searle wrote: The huge differences between windows and linux in terms of software installations and upgrades is something that used to make my head spin - still does - the ease with which I can do it in windows and the difficulties (usually total failures) and mistakes I have previously had in linux have made me really resistant to learning the ins and outs to the point of not using anything that doesn't come on the install disks (that much I can do). It makes my head spin too, but in the opposite direction. I cannot fathom how to do the following things in windows, all of which I can easily do in rpm or portage based linuces: * find out when I installed various versions of a software package, and the exact version installed. * find out exactly what files were installed by package X * find out which package installed file Y * find out if any of the files installed by package X have been changed since installation. I recently ran ad-aware on my son's windows box. Ad-aware investigates every file on the hard drive looking for ad-ware spyware. In doing so it triggers the virus checker, which discovered many infected files [1], as well as a vast quantity of ad/spy stuff. I cannot figure out what most of the directories under c:\program files\ are about, as there is no decent database of installed packages. I have no way of knowing whether an infected file was infected at the time it was installed, or has been subsequently changed. I also find that windows software writers have no coherent idea about where they put things. version one may be in c:\program files\usefulthing-v1 and version two will be in c:\program files\usefulsoft\usefulthing-vers2, and they will leave version one on the computer to confuse me about which binary I should use. Even if they delete version one the directory will remain full of crufty little files that are probably configuration files, but are not in plain text form so I would never know. And even if it managed to delete version one, the other half of version one's configuration data will be left deep in the registry, causing my system to slowly sink into the mire of an over full registry. And it will leave a now useless icon in the Start Menu. [1] the only heartening thing is that the fact that the virus checker didn't find them until then may imply that they have never actually been accessed before. It's time for me to get over myself and get on with it... Yes but I do invite caution about going outside your distro's offerings. SuSE uses rpm (as do RedRat, Mandrake, Connectiva, Fedora and others). RPM provides the system with a database which answers the problems I outlined above as well as dependencies, versioning and updating. Step outside that in a couple of minor packages and you will not have too many problems. Step outside it for major libararies or programs that affect other parts of the system and you run into problems. SuSE does offer one of the biggest selections of packaged stuff of any distro. I read an interesting article lately (Linux Journal) where the author maintained that if you go outside your distro's offereings you should look for a package specifically built for your distro, and if you cannot find one, prepare it yourself. In the case of an RPM thats a matter of writing a spec file and building a binary rpm from source. Then you can use it with rpm and maintain your system database. The author's point was that the easiest system that he had found for incorporating a package into a distro was currently provided by gentoo and its ebuild files. In other words he thought it was easier to write an ebuild than an rpm spec file. -- Nick Rout
Re: ethereal's icon
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:25, Roger Searle wrote: Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:13, Roger Searle wrote: I struck out last night with Nick's direction on this, none of the methods revealed any obvious signs of icons! I'm going to change tack on this one a little and look to upgrade ethereal, the one on my home desktop is 0.10.3 from memory and a more recent one is available. The whole topic of software upgrades in linux is one that I really struggle with (piece of cake in windows) so a new thread on ethereal upgrade will appear before too long ie when I can find the time. Upgrades is the one thing that both Gentoo and Debian have both sorted out properly. Consider coming to the Gentoo MiniInstallFest. Thanks for the invite, I was nearly an attendee last time round and some family thing got in the way. I've swapped distributions a few times leading up to suse and think I'll stay put for now. The huge differences between windows and linux in terms of software installations and upgrades is something that used to make my head spin - still does - the ease with which I can do it in windows and the difficulties (usually total failures) and mistakes I have previously had in linux have made me really resistant to learning the ins and outs to the point of not using anything that doesn't come on the install disks (that much I can do). That's actually quite a sensible attitude, expecting just any old random .rpm to work properly in any of the .rpm based distros is a false expectation imho and experience. It's time for me to get over myself and get on with it... The nice thing about Gentoo is the number of ready to go packages available for d/l and installation using the 'emerge package' command. Agreed, Gentoo is considerably less convenient to install in the first place, but for me I find that the benefits of Gentoo's superiour QA, and the easy package installation and upgrade far outweigh that initial inconvenience. -- C. S.
Re: ethereal's icon
indeed i do know. thanks for doing that for me. roger Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:23, Nick Rout wrote: I will email them off list later. I've sent him a 64x64, I hope he knows what to do with it. -- C. S.
Arch Linux thoughts [Longish]
Hi all, I remember someone on the list was asking impressions on Arch linux a while back, well I've installed it twice now -- on my laptop and desktop -- and thought I would share a thought or two from my use over the last fortnight. The install is a simple text based one, if you have installed Slackware you will be very at home. Some highlights; - Manual or automatic (destroy all partitions and use one big /) partitioning - Selecting of mount points and filesystems - Selecting base packages to install - Copying files - Manually editing system config files (with vim or nano) - Installing a boot loader The whole install was very quick and painless but not really designed for a newbie. The base package group contains a very basic system and most things (kde, gnome, postfix, apache, etc) are contained in the extra repository. I used the base ISO (210MB) to install but there is also another ISO (560MB) which I assume contains a snapshot of some of the extra repository. The Arch package manager -- pacman -- is very simple, nice to use, and really fast too. Once I had rebooted into my new system I issued a `pacman -Syu` (-S for sync (fetch and install packages and dependencies), -y for get new package lists and -u for upgrade all things out of date). This brought my system up to the latest and greatest. I then continued with `pacman -S xorg` and `pacman -S kde mplayer amarok` and a few others. The package database isn't huge but it is growing daily and contains all the latest and greatest versions[1]. Arch uses a rolling release like Gentoo and it is suggested to issue a `pacman -Syu` regularly. Anything that you can't find in the repository can be built using ABS, which will build you a pacman package from a PKGBUILD file so you can keep track of everything on your system. This, to me, is an absolute joy to use. I needed dvdauthor which I didn't find in the repository (surprisingly, although there is discussion of it on the forums) and it only took me 5 minutes to knock up a PKGBULD file[2] though it was my second time, my first PKGBUILD was for kmymoney2 from CVS[3] No offense intended to the developers or the userbase but from my limited experience on the Arch forums[4] they seem quite immature and no where near the vast resource of the Gentoo forums. This is quite possibly a reflection of the age of the distro more than anything else. They do have a Wiki[5] which is becoming a valuable resource. I come from Slackware so editing config files manually is what I am used to, but if you are used to GUI tools to configure your system then you will be disappointed. That being said, the system config is extremely simplistic and easy to manage. The main system config revolves around one file /etc/rc.conf[6] and the majority of the rest of the config reminds me a lot of Slackware. I've been using Slackware as my main distro for a few years with a dash of Debian and a small pinch of Gentoo thrown in. Arch seems to me like a mix of the best of these three. The simplicity of Slackware, and the advantage of great package managent systems like apt and portage. I'm sure some people do use it as a server but I can't imagine myself using Arch on a server, it just seems more suited to a desktop application. I'll Stick with Slack and Debian for that. All in all I would recommend Arch if you like a pretty bleeding edge desktop that is simply great to configure and keep update, but only if you have a little experience with linux and are happy to get your hands slightly soiled in the CLI. Hope this was of interest, hads [1]http://nice.net.nz/hads/package_list (A list of packages on my system) [2]http://nice.net.nz/hads/PKGBUILD.dvdauthor [3]http://nice.net.nz/hads/PKGBUILD.kmymoney2-cvs [4]http://bbs.archlinux.org [5]http://wiki.archlinux.org [6]http://nice.net.nz/hads/rc.conf (An rc.conf example) -- What do you call a boomerang that doesn't work? A stick.
RE: Almost free to a good home
Another printer up for snags... one Apple Select 360 Laser. Works perfectly, but the toner is almost out. It has a parallel port input. Email me back off list please.
On the patentability of
Just take a look at what someone else argued on kuro5hin.org: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/3/9/93357/91614 /* Analogies (3.00 / 4) (#43) by Znork on Thu Mar 10th, 2005 at 09:25:58 AM EST While literature is a common comparison, I think that legal arguments or contract clauses might be better suited to get the point across. Literature is so far from the software process that people often see software as very 'technical' in comparison, and as such dont understand the similarities. Contract clauses on the other hand usually each embody a specific legal idea (which could be patentable), where at the same time the expression itself could be covered by copyright. The legal industry is also similar to the computer industry, with the vast majority of employment being in services in the form of one-off work, by small consultancies or industry jobs, and with little investment needed to get started. As such, the legal industry would be adversely affected in the same ways as the computing industry. Legal arguments, like software, are often developed as the infrastructure (the laws) allow them to be made. Design processes where you need to help the customers conceptualize what they actually want also show similarities. Further, legal language is fairly strict in itself, which by extension may even lend itself to embodiment in formalized languages, and as such could by extension become patentable if software is considered patentable. So, constructing a well thought out analogy based on those similarities might make an even stronger case, especially to politicians who often have some tangential experience in law. Not to mention scare the bejeezus out of many lawyers once they realize that their jobs may also be threatened by unlimited patentability. Having to consult a lawyer and paying license fees (if you're allowed to use the patented arguments and clauses at all), not to mention the legal liability every time you help a client with a contract would be about as fun as it will be for programmers to do those things. */ Any comment from Nick Rout or others? Wesley Parish Sharpened hands are happy hands. Brim the tinfall with mirthful bands - A Deepness in the Sky, Vernor Vinge I me. Shape middled me. I would come out into hot! I from the spicy that day was overcasked mockingly - it's a symbol of the other horizon. - emacs : meta x dissociated-press
Re: Not everyone pleased with new Mandrake renaming/release schedule
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:01:15 +1200, Chad wrote: Doesn't bother me. At least they've a decent reason this time and the resulting product should be worth the wait if they do things properly. That reminds me. I was going to rant about something mandrakesque. /me scratches head. Oh yeah - I was wanting to play an old favourite I hadn't played for a while - freeciv. In fact, it had been so long I had updated to Mdk 10.0 in the mean time. So, I see I have freeciv client in the games menu. I recall that freeciv is a game that comes in two parts, client and server, and you need both even in single player mode. I search around for the server part, and it's not there. Not in the menus, not in /usr/share/games/freeciv where the client resides. Eventually I run urpmi freeciv-server. It's a small download, only a few minutes even on dial-up, and now I have the server too. The point is, what kind of braindead distro only intalls half a game? I know it's only a small urpmi, emerge or apt-get, but why should a user have to do this? If my wife had wanted to play it, she would never have thought of doing urpmi freeciv-server. /rant Yuri -- ** WARNING to mailing list repliers ** Gmail over-rides Reply-To: field. Check your To: address before sending reply to this post.
Re: Not everyone pleased with new Mandrake renaming/release schedule
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:32:49 +1200 yuri wrote: The point is, what kind of braindead distro only intalls half a game? So that you can play using some one elses server? -- Nick Rout
Re: Getting root-ed
Quoting Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:20, Wesley Parish wrote: Anyone seen this before? http://root.cern.ch/root/Mission.html I was looking for a C interpreter, when I chanced upon Cint at CERN. The Cint page told me in all seriousness that it was part of ROOT, so I looked. And decided to download the silly thing. Can you share any first impressions of it/them? At the moment I'm still digesting the implications. I downloaded it over two nights - I've discovered my Linux box's getting heat stroke so have to attend to that first - but from the first impressions it's an ideal analysis tool for large data sets such as one might get in an Aeronautical Telecommunications Network, an electronics manufacturing factory, a wide area network analysis or suchlike. As I say, I'm still digesting the implications. Wesley Parish -- C. S. Sharpened hands are happy hands. Brim the tinfall with mirthful bands - A Deepness in the Sky, Vernor Vinge I me. Shape middled me. I would come out into hot! I from the spicy that day was overcasked mockingly - it's a symbol of the other horizon. - emacs : meta x dissociated-press
Re: Not everyone pleased with new Mandrake renaming/release schedule
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:08:26 +1200, Nick Rout wrote: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:32:49 +1200 yuri wrote: The point is, what kind of braindead distro only intalls half a game? So that you can play using some one elses server? Yeah, I guessed that's the assumption they made. But it's a dumb assumption. Since including the server adds less than half a megabyte, why not include it and make single-player games possible? Yuri -- ** WARNING to mailing list repliers ** Gmail over-rides Reply-To: field. Check your To: address before sending reply to this post.
Re: Gentoo Installfest (in Robert's garage)
As this is my first installfest does any-one know about how long it will take? Am I right in thinking that you mean 9PM? I am happy to start about 9. It is probably best if Nick Chris and I set up our servers, tables, whiteboards etc. first. -- Happy Hacking, Robert Himmelmann A classic is something that everybody wants to have read and nobody wants to read. -- Mark Twain fortune's Contribution of the Month to the Animal Rights Debate: I'll stay out of animals' way if they'll stay out of mine. Hey you, get off my plate -- Roger Midnight
Re: Gentoo Installfest (in Robert's garage)
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:34:44 +1200, Robert Himmelmann wrote: As this is my first installfest does any-one know about how long it will take? Am I right in thinking that you mean 9PM? I am happy to start about 9. It is probably best if Nick Chris and I set up our servers, tables, whiteboards etc. first. This is gentoo we're talking about here. I assumed 9am. Could be finished at 9pm[1] though with older computers, unless we do the distcc thing. Yuri [1] Not necessarily the same day. -- ** WARNING to mailing list repliers ** Gmail over-rides Reply-To: field. Check your To: address before sending reply to this post.
Re: Gentoo Installfest (in Robert's garage)
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:41:52 +1200 yuri wrote: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:34:44 +1200, Robert Himmelmann wrote: As this is my first installfest does any-one know about how long it will take? Am I right in thinking that you mean 9PM? I am happy to start about 9. It is probably best if Nick Chris and I set up our servers, tables, whiteboards etc. first. This is gentoo we're talking about here. I assumed 9am. Could be finished at 9pm[1] though with older computers, unless we do the distcc thing. 9 am start binary installation finished by lunch time (the same day) famous last words. -- Nick Rout
