Dear IFWP and all,
At long last, all is revealed.
kerry
==
The 'argument' of _The Marriage of Heaven and Hell_ opens in
angry clouds, the destructive wrath of revolution; for 'the just man'
(energy) has been compelled from his own dangerous and
flourishing pursuits into
[Sorry for the cross-posting and repetition, but I want to be sure that no
one misses their chance to submit comments on issues to be considered by
the ICANN Board.]
Please submit comments to ICANN on the proposals for the domain name
supporting organization, draft registrar accreditation
Molly Shaffer Van Houwelling wrote
Please submit comments to ICANN...
Why?
Bob Allisat
Free Community Network _ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://fcn.net _ http://fcn.net/allisat
http://robin.fcn.net
"kmm027: The Marriage of Heaven and Hell" ?
What a piece of derivative Allisat wannabe shite.
Not only is it phucking interminably long it lacks
any sense let alone sense of humour. Sometimes
imitation is niether the best form nor flattery
but simply, grossly embarassing and BORING.
Bob,
I placed my comments between the two asterisks...
/**/
Jim Fleming
Unir Corporation
vPC + C+@ + IPv8 + 2,048 TLDs...this network solution is simple...
-Original Message-
From: Bob Allisat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Molly Shaffer Van Houweling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mike Nelson (quoted) refering to various open governance proposals :
= ... if the Red Cross doesn't operate under these procedures,
= why should ICANN?
From: http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu ...
+ A Harsh Rebuke
+
+ DeMont, John
+ Maclean's (12/08/97) Vol. 110, No. 49, P. 20
+
+ The infection of
For those of you who haven't seen this already . . .
Dear IFWP list members,
As you know, ICANN will be holding a public meeting in Singapore on March 3
(details at http://www.icann.org/singapore.html) in conjunction with
APRICOT'99 (http://www.apricot.net).
If you plan to attend the meeting
http://www.icann.org/contributors.html ...
+
+ The ICANN Board of Directors thanks the following contributors
+ to the ICANN Startup Fund for their generosity:
+
+ Compaq Computer Corporation, $25,000
+ IBM, $25,000
+ MCI Worldcom, $25,000
+ Netscape Communications Corporation, $15,000
+ Paul D.
On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, Bob Allisat wrote:
http://www.icann.org/contributors.html ...
+
+ The ICANN Board of Directors thanks the following contributors
+ to the ICANN Startup Fund for their generosity:
+
+ Compaq Computer Corporation, $25,000
+ IBM, $25,000
+ MCI Worldcom, $25,000
+
Bob Allisat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.icann.org/contributors.html ...
+
+ The ICANN Board of Directors thanks the following contributors
+ to the ICANN Startup Fund for their generosity:
+
+ Compaq Computer Corporation, $25,000
+ IBM, $25,000
+ MCI Worldcom, $25,000
+ Netscape
Ronda,
If you want to see what a tangled web these people weavecheck out...
http://www.east.isi.edu/
http://www.east.isi.edu/projects.html
http://www.east.isi.edu/ms/ms.html
IPv6 Publicly Available Stack Development for Microsoft Research
@@
Here we are in
Einar Stefferud wrote:
+ By what measure is 3 days maximum elapsed time deemed sufficient to
+ obtain indepth and thoughtful comments (or suupport) from the global
+ Interent Community?
+
+ Sahdes of IAHC... they at least allowed us to have a couple of weeks
+ before reading and ignoring our
Bob,
In my opinion, you have to let it go, or let the people go.
If you study implosion and black holes (like ICANN) you
will see that there is an event horizon. There is a boundary
and people crossing that boundary will eventually be pulled
into the vortex. In my opinion, it is sad, but reality
I didn't pick Sweden by accident. Think about the way in which Sweden's
NIC administers that ccTLD and you will understand why I said that
pizza-hut.firm creates issues that pzza-hut.se does not. Yes, third party
ownership of pizza-hut.se could violate PIZZA HUT'S rights. But which is
more
Hello Ronda,
Heretofore, you have been annoying chime, but the following is pure FUD.
Having worked in two of the organizations mentioned I can tell you that it
don't work that way. Anyone that has worked in MCI management can tell you
that MCI can't even conspire with itself. You have no idea
"Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches:"
- Revelation 1:11
-Original Message-
From: Bob Allisat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jim Fleming [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Einar Stefferud [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 1999
Bob Allisat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What you write is sad but probably true. My hard analysis of these
individuals leads me to conclude they are all now jockeying for
position within ICANN rather than offering citizens any real
alternatives or pursuing same.
Perhaps they feel the
Does Pizza Hut own these ?
http://Jump.to/Pizza-Hut
http://This.is/Pizza-Hut
What about the PizzaHut world in http://www.activeworlds.com ?
...should Pizza Hut have the rights to that ?
What about... http://www.pizza.hut ?
or
http://www.hut.pizza ?
and finally... http://www.hot.pizza
Jim
Subject: Re: [IFWP] ICANN Supporters BOYCOTT !!
Hello Ronda,
Heretofore, you have been annoying chime, but the following is pure FUD.
What are your views on this group and Sun's involvement ?
http://www.gip.org/gip1.htm
@@@ http://www.gip.org/gip1.htm
...
John Gage
Director, Science Office
I, Bob Allisat, wrote:
What you write is sad but probably true. My hard analysis of these
individuals leads me to conclude they are all now jockeying for
position within ICANN rather than offering citizens any real
alternatives or pursuing same.
Greg Skinner comments:
= Perhaps they feel
At 10:46 AM 2/24/99 -0600, you wrote:
Does Pizza Hut own these ?
http://Jump.to/Pizza-Hut
unassigned.
http://This.is/Pizza-Hut
unassigned.
btw, this would be a different analysis from the urls discussed in the
gopeds and ballysucks cases.
What about the PizzaHut world in
I don't have any problems with the idea of a self-governing Internet.
If some people could have been found to campaign for office, I would
have just voted for the ones whose platforms I felt were reasonable.
However, the USG decided not to set things up that way. Unforunately
for us. But I find
-Original Message-
From: Martin B. Schwimmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
snip
What about the PizzaHut world in http://www.activeworlds.com ?
...should Pizza Hut have the rights to that ?
It's not a question of "should have the rights" but could a third party
create and/or promote a PizzaHut
On Vannevar's Bush's "Science: The Endless Frontier" and the ICANN/IANA
problem:
Following are some thoughts on trying to put what is happening
into a context about the U.S. government transferring ownership
and control over essential points of control of the Internet
into a private sector
There is more going on than is encompassed within these lists.
At 11:16 AM 2/24/99 -0500, Bob Allisat wrote:
Jim Fleming wrote:
In my opinion, you have to let it go, or let the people go.
If you study implosion and black holes (like ICANN) you
will see that there is an event horizon. There
Greg Skinner writes:
... I find no fault in companies donating money to get a non-profit
effort going. In some circles, this is considered a sign of community
spirit, not just taking from the community but giving
Unfortunatly, in this particular instance, the non-profit
effort in question
-Original Message-
From: Roeland M.J. Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Jim Fleming [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED];
Einar Stefferud [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [IFWP] IFWP: Founding
Molly E. Shaffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please respect the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list prohibition on
cross-posting.
You have violated these guidelines in
your various ICANN propaganda pieces so
I will take the same liberties. There
is not one law for you or your ICANN
cohorts and another
Roeland Meyer writes:
There is more going on than is encompassed within these lists.
Pray tell. Why are we not being informed about
events by those who are engaged in them? All of
this back room, behind the scenes skulking! It
makes one a little nauseous especially amongst
all this talk
-Original Message-
From: Ronda Hauben [EMAIL PROTECTED]
snip
The real problem that the DNS wars show is that the U.S.
government doesn't seem to be supporting the needed scientific
research about how to provide for the scaling of the Internet.
Ronda,
In my opinion, you raise some
On 24-Feb-99 Jim Fleming wrote:
...I think I will return to working on those...good luck to you all...
Thank god.
--
E-Mail: William X. Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 24-Feb-99
Time: 11:24:49
--
"We may well be on our
Ronda Alternatives seem to be the next:
1. A private, north American, organization under California
jurisdiction or;
2. A public, north American, organization belonging US Government, also
under US jurisdiction.
I wonder where the difference is. US Government, now, let the rest of
the people,
"Jim Fleming" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IRS laws are supposed to prevent non-profits from being formed that
provide the same services as the for-profit sector. Why is the
U.S. Government encouraging the creation of organizations that do
not appear to conform to IRS regulations ?
By your
Bob wrote,
"kmm027: The Marriage of Heaven and Hell" ?
What a piece of derivative Allisat wannabe shite.
No offense, Bob; I didnt mean to intrude on your intellectual
territory.
Admittedly it was too long, but nobody reads terse pieces in depth,
or responds thoughtfully to much else
Jim Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Dave Crocker wrote:
The claim of US power [over NSI] is demonstrably false, by virtue of
the continuing pattern of poor decision-making the USG has made with
respect to NSI and
If it's demonstrably false, demonstrate it. Prove that
At 03:32 PM 2/24/99 , John Charles Broomfield wrote:
Hi all,
A little while back a few questions were raised on who/why some
ccTLDs had come into existance.
My question to the ISO-3166 maintenance agency:
As someone who was responsible for coordinating this
across rue Varembé in Geneva
Thank you Molly for clarifying that no specific notice was posted
regarding the draft that was added to your web site on 17 Feb, so that
there was very little effective notice to the community.
It should go without saying that you must not expect all of us to
constantly check your web ICANN site
http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,32865,00.html?st.ne.lh..ni
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kerry Miller) wrote:
If XML has (since 1995) put some running code under Carrasco's vision, why
shouldnt we look at making the DNS 'upwardly compatible'? Even if it doesnt
- God forbid! - resolve every legal issue, it would at least put them on a
different ground.
I don't
At 11:14 24/02/99 +, Jim Dixon wrote:
On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, Bob Allisat wrote:
http://www.icann.org/contributors.html ...
+
+ The ICANN Board of Directors thanks the following contributors
+ to the ICANN Startup Fund for their generosity:
+
+ Compaq Computer Corporation, $25,000
+ IBM,
On Sat, Feb 20, 1999 at 08:46:37PM -0800, Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
At 11:38 AM 2/20/99 -0800, Kent Crispin wrote:
On Sat, Feb 20, 1999 at 09:32:54AM -0800, Greg Skinner wrote:
I am actually responding to Roeland's comment here...
Roeland Meyer wrote:
Sure, but first you'll have to
Jeff was met with great cheers when he joined the remaining members of the Grateful
Dead for a rousing rendition of America the Beautiful.
I understand they actually sang a song that starts:
"If I had a gun,
for every ace I'd drawn.
I could own a town,
the size of Abilene...
Now, THAT should be illegal.
Martin B. Schwimmer wrote:
californians.put.pineapples.on.pizza.
From the article:
"Since PGMedia filed its suit, however, the Internet landscape has
changed drastically, throwing a monkey wrench into an
already-complicated lawsuit. Last fall, the National Science
Foundation passed responsibility for the Internet to Commerce
Department, which in turn has laid
the NSF and NSI say the proposed changes [ICANN] are another reason
why the lawsuit ought to be thrown out of court.
"This lawsuit represents an effort by plaintiff to derail that
carefully developed process," attorneys for the NSF argued in a court
brief filed last year. "In essence, plaintiff
I may not use the same words as Stef but I have to agree with the
content.
3 days (or less if you live in the wrong time zone) to prepare a
formal response (or even coherent comments)on some of these issues is
totally inappropriate.
As for Stef's "Sahdes of IAHC" commentary, my memory may be
Hello Joop;-)...
Yes, this should be documented as yet another biased ICANN/DNSO.ORG
action, intended, but perhaps just a Freudian Slip, to bias the DNSO
meeting attendance while looking like they are issuing an open
invitation.
Thanks for pointing out that it was to only sent to two list
Milton Mueller wrote:
From the article:
"Since PGMedia filed its suit, however, the Internet landscape has
changed drastically, throwing a monkey wrench into an
already-complicated lawsuit. Last fall, the National Science
Foundation passed responsibility for the Internet to Commerce
I should have made it clearer that my recent message was just a reminder.
The comment mechanism was originally announced on Feb. 8.
At 06:58 PM 2/24/99 -0500, you wrote:
I may not use the same words as Stef but I have to agree with the
content.
3 days (or less if you live in the wrong time zone)
Greg Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't have any problems with the idea of a self-governing Internet.
If some people could have been found to campaign for office, I would
have just voted for the ones whose platforms I felt were reasonable.
However, the USG decided not to set things up that
"Jim Fleming" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IRS laws are supposed to prevent non-profits
from being formed that provide the same services
as the for-profit sector. Why is the U.S. Government
encouraging the creation of organizations that do
not appear to conform to IRS regulations ?
Not just
Frank and all,
Franky my boy, You have a interesting and wonderful sense of humor.
Nice joke guy! LOL! ROFL!
Frank Rizzo wrote:
As the sun rose over Texas Stadium this morning the throngs of steak folders were in
for a surprise. Dave Crocker, modest fellow that he is, gave the 2nd day
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"Jim Fleming" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Ronda Hauben [EMAIL PROTECTED]
snip
The real problem that the DNS wars show is that the U.S.
government doesn't seem to be supporting the needed scientific
research about how to provide for the scaling of the Internet.
Dan Steinberg wrote:
I may not use the same words as Stef but I have to agree with the
content.
3 days (or less if you live in the wrong time zone) to prepare a
formal response (or even coherent comments)on some of these issues is
totally inappropriate.
What appears to be happening seems like a
"Javier A. Maestre" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ronda Alternatives seem to be the next:
You should look at my proposal - as it was in fact the only
proposal that did provide for genuine International collaboration
and participation in solving the problem of putting IANA
on a protected and more
Kilnam Chon a écrit:
Please pay the meeting fee of US$50(S$80) per day at the door
on 1999.3.2.
Kilnam-
You have four days of meetings listed (3/2,3,4,5). We're not being
asked to pay US$200 to attend these, are we? On top of the fees for
attending the ICANN meetings?
I think you'd better
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kent Crispin writes:
Do you have access to a backbone router?
No. But I work on networks with a whole lot more than 5 nodes, and a
whole lot more horsepower than dual pentium 450's.
Hmm, as in, mine is bigger then yours?
ROFLPMP.
el
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