Private Response to:Re: [IFWP] Re: Public use of new gTLDs

1999-03-30 Thread Jeff Williams
Miles, I believe that you are exactly correct. And you stated it quite well. Just to let you know, we are working on getting several gTLD's Trademarked that we have been using internally. We will than be making them available to anyone to register Domains under in the near future. If you or

Re: [IFWP] Re: [dnsproc-en] Re: Domain Names are property, says court

1999-03-30 Thread Bill Lovell
At 09:29 PM 3/28/99 -0800, you wrote: At 07:02 PM 3/28/99 -0800, Bill Lovell wrote: At 04:53 PM 3/26/99 -0500, you wrote: We're talking past each other. In your example, the regulator does NOT own "KOIN," "WPBS," etc., in spite of the fact that it "owns," i.e., has control of, that

[IFWP] Re: FW: Re: InterNIC

1999-03-30 Thread Bill Lovell
At 01:21 AM 3/21/99 -0800, William X. Walsh wrote: As you can see from this sample of a post to the Isp-Webhosting list (and significant discussion is also on-going on the Isp-Tech and other related lists) that ISPs are seriously and significantly concerned as well. This has been the

Re: [IFWP] Re: [dnsproc-en] Re: Domain Names are property, says

1999-03-30 Thread William X. Walsh
On 30-Mar-99 Bill Lovell wrote: At 09:29 PM 3/28/99 -0800, you wrote: At 07:02 PM 3/28/99 -0800, Bill Lovell wrote: At 04:53 PM 3/26/99 -0500, you wrote: We're talking past each other. In your example, the regulator does NOT own "KOIN," "WPBS," etc., in spite of the fact that it

Re: [IFWP] Fwd: Re: Power Politics and the New Internet Order

1999-03-30 Thread Kent Crispin
On Mon, Mar 29, 1999 at 11:03:36AM -0800, Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote: At 08:10 AM 3/29/99 -0800, Kent Crispin wrote: On Sun, Mar 28, 1999 at 11:48:19PM -0800, Bill Lovell wrote: [...] In short, the letter code that defines some subset of the nearly infinite domain name space, whether

Re: [netz] Re: [IFWP] then ICANN is in the fire

1999-03-30 Thread Bob Allisat
Greg Skinner writes: Possibly, but what happens if either "government" or "science" encounters problems that may not be technically unsolvable, but are practically unsolvable because of the high level of politics and controversy that surrounds them, so much so that it actually drains the

[IFWP] Fw: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype

1999-03-30 Thread Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)
-Original Message- From: Domi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, March 29, 1999 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype This virus: 1. affects Windows only 2. is contained in a Word document as a Macro 3. is only effective

[IFWP] Fw: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype

1999-03-30 Thread Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)
-Original Message- From: Matthew McGehrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 3:30 AM Subject: RE: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype On 29 Mar 99, at 12:10, Emanuel Levy wrote: While your system may not be directly affected it

[IFWP] Fw: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype

1999-03-30 Thread Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)
-Original Message- From: Mark Symonds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 4:25 AM Subject: Re: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype Matthew McGehrin wrote: Its only NT servers that can't handle the load. Indeed. --Mark

[IFWP] Fw: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype

1999-03-30 Thread Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)
-Original Message- From: Kurt A. Huhn MCSE, CNA, MCP [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, March 29, 1999 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype This virus: 1. affects Windows only 2. is contained in a Word document as a Macro 3.

[IFWP] Fw: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype

1999-03-30 Thread Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)
-Original Message- From: Sean DeSouza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 3:36 AM Subject: Re: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype Well... i use windows... i use outlook express... and I got no e-mail with a word document

[IFWP] Re: ABC News article with quote from Chris Clough

1999-03-30 Thread Jeff Williams
William and all, Well WIlliam, it appears that yet again, you have totally mislead, and completely misread the gist of this article that you posted here. I did not see any mention of NSI spamming anyone. However I did see yet again Mike Roberts posturing and making false and misleading

[IFWP] Internet Addressing: Simple Really

1999-03-30 Thread Bob Allisat
All this conflict over names and numbers! What a silly mess. Numbers can be generated in an infinite sequence and pretty much automatically allocated to one and all for next to nothing. And address names can be pretty much anything people like or wish to utilize in any language character

Re: [IFWP] Re: FW: Re: InterNIC

1999-03-30 Thread Richard J. Sexton
At 11:30 PM 3/29/99 -0800, Bill Lovell wrote: At 01:21 AM 3/21/99 -0800, William X. Walsh wrote: As you can see from this sample of a post to the Isp-Webhosting list (and significant discussion is also on-going on the Isp-Tech and other related lists) that ISPs are seriously and significantly

Re: Fw: [netz] Re: [IFWP] then ICANN is in the fire

1999-03-30 Thread Michael Sondow
Mr. Xian- While you may find the subject of the Melissa virus interesting, I do not, and I am not at all amused to find twenty messages from you, posted to the ap-forum and IFWP lists, in my mail this morning. Why are you copying all the messages from one list to another? I think you are

Re: [IFWP] Re: FW: Re: InterNIC

1999-03-30 Thread Diane Cabell
Richard J. Sexton wrote: Most NSF priograms for new technology funded it on the premise that the contractor must find a way to be self supporting after a while. The idea was to make a business out of whatever they were doing under a grant. Actually, most funding is to universities and

Re: [IFWP] Re: Fw: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype

1999-03-30 Thread Bill Lovell
At 10:03 AM 3/30/99 -0500, you wrote: Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch) a écrit: Stupid media. There just as bad as lawers when it comes to the truth at times They can't be as bad as lawyers, can they? :) Now, now. You children play nice, hear? Bill Lovell

RE: [IFWP] Fwd: Re: Power Politics and the New Internet Order

1999-03-30 Thread Roberto Gaetano
Jay, You wrote (answering to Kent Crispin): Anyway, David had questioned the last line in the following paragraph: "The gTLD-MoU was controversial because it would have confiscated all generic Top Level Domains, not only from startups like IO Design (who had been running the .web

RE: [IFWP] Fwd: Re: Power Politics and the New Internet Order

1999-03-30 Thread Jay Fenello
Hi Roberto, History is often disputed -- I stand by my statements. Jay. At 01:32 PM 3/30/99 , Roberto Gaetano wrote: Jay, You wrote (answering to Kent Crispin): Anyway, David had questioned the last line in the following paragraph: "The gTLD-MoU was controversial because it would

[IFWP] Science and Government and decisionmaking

1999-03-30 Thread Ronda Hauben
Greg Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ronda wrote: The whole conception of ICANN is fundamentally flawed. It is embodying conflict of interest as a principle, and will continue to do so with its membership structure if it adopts one. The fundamental problem ICANN

[IFWP] Science and government - the challenge

1999-03-30 Thread Ronda Hauben
Greg Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Possibly, but what happens if either "government" or "science" encounters problems that may not be technically unsolvable, but are practically unsolvable because of the high level of politics and controversy that surrounds them, so much so that it actually

Re: [IFWP] Science and Government and decisionmaking

1999-03-30 Thread Greg Skinner
Ronda Hauben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the talk [given at Harvard in 1960] C.P. Snow raises the dilemma posed by modern society in which science raises important problems and that government has to deal with these problems, but that too often decisions about these problems are made in

Re: [IFWP] Re: Public use of new gTLDs

1999-03-30 Thread Bill Lovell
At 04:14 PM 3/29/99 -0600, you wrote: Well, here's another one into my filter file. Messrs. Allisate and Merritt can happily exchange obscenities in my trash barrel. Bill Lovell On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Bob Allisat wrote: Hm ... I was thinking similar thoughts about Jeff Williams, Sam

Re: [IFWP] Science and government - the challenge

1999-03-30 Thread Greg Skinner
Ronda Hauben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But this is precisely why there is government and there is science. There will be private sector companies that can make a mint off of the pollution of the public water supply and thus they will become strong advocates of doing nothing to solve the

Re: [IFWP] Internet Addressing: Simple Really

1999-03-30 Thread Frank Rizzo
At 2:14 AM -0800 3/30/99, Bob Allisat wrote: People aren't so stupid that they can't live without dot com this or www that. We've been doing quite well without them for millenia thank you very much. And the rest of the technical mumbo jumbo can be easily handled by the modern computer

Re: [netz] Re: [IFWP] then ICANN is in the fire

1999-03-30 Thread Greg Skinner
Bob Allisat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg Skinner writes: (edit)... You should not expect "government" or "science" to be able to solve any problem that comes along, particularly when those problems are highly complex and controversial. Dammit Greg that's just when so-called government

[IFWP] Re: Domain names are property, says court

1999-03-30 Thread Kerry Miller
Bill, When you (or ICANN, NTIA, UNESCO, NAACP, NFL or whoever) agrees that Sam down the street gets the TLD .sam, then bully for him, but whatever relationship that may have with Sam's real business and whatever its trademarks may be would be quite nebulous. What with that Sheriff's

[IFWP] ARIN playing games again? [Fwd: New ARIN policy?]

1999-03-30 Thread Jeff Williams
All, Another FYI! Is ARIN playing games yet again with IP address assingment? Looks like it! Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Number: 972-447-1894

[IFWP] [Fwd: Draft Poisson minutes]

1999-03-30 Thread Jeff Williams
All, FYI! Note, interesting information on IETF take on PSO Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Number: 972-447-1894 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd.

[IFWP] [Fwd: [dnsproc-en] Date of Publication of WIPO Final Report]

1999-03-30 Thread Jeff Williams
All, FYI! Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Number: 972-447-1894 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208 Subject: Date of Publication of

[IFWP] Re: New ARIN policy? (Attention Becky Burr)

1999-03-30 Thread Jeff Williams
Jim and all, Jim, this doesn't seem quite proper procedure form ARIN I agree. Thank you for informing of this one. You could contact ARIN directly and see if there can be anything done of this. You best bet however is to go over their head to the NTIA and Becky Burr. I am copying her on this

[IFWP] [Fwd: Article on ISP competition]

1999-03-30 Thread Jeff Williams
All, Check this out. Very interesting. Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Number: 972-447-1894 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208 This

[IFWP] Re: New ARIN policy?

1999-03-30 Thread Jeff Williams
George and all, Good points here George, and I completely agree. ARIN has been in question for it's very existence ever sense Jon Postel (Once a member of the ARIN Board) decided to split up IP allocation assignments due to the IANA's inability to handle the load back in early 1996. Their

[IFWP] Re: Draft Poisson minutes

1999-03-30 Thread Jeff Williams
Fred and all, Fred, you are way over dramatizing here. Although you over dramatization is a amusing, it is neither appropriate or useful for purposes of discussion on this subject area. I also observe as you are a representative of a hardware vendor of some note, that you have obvious

[IFWP] Re: Draft Poisson minutes[Divisiveness concerns for PSO]

1999-03-30 Thread Jeff Williams
Karoline and all, As we are seeing with the DNSO with more and more frequency, the idea of having classes or "Constituency's" in a membership structure are very divisive and lead down a very slippery political slope that is both non-productive in their existence and a form of gerrymandering

[IFWP] Re: Draft Poisson minutes

1999-03-30 Thread Jeff Williams
Tim and all, Tim Salo wrote: Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:11:29 + From: Jeff Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Draft Poisson minutes [...] Fred, you are way over dramatizing here. ... There are many areas of the US that have very limited hardware capability

[IFWP] Re: Why 13 Servers in the Root?

1999-03-30 Thread Frank Rizzo
Why 13 Servers in the Root? To represent the peacful one and his 12 desciples? The twelve chromatic notes and the 13th jump to the next ocatave? To emulate the structure of the thirteen original colonies? Because It forms the thirteen cluster grid needed to form Metatron's Cube from which can

Re: Private Response to:Re: [IFWP] Re: Public use of new gTLDs

1999-03-30 Thread Greg Skinner
Dr Eberhard W Lisse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: I AM COMPLAINING THAT I DO NOT WANT TO REACH THESE ADDRESSES AND I DON`T WANT TO BE FORCED TO REACH THEM!!! [...] I am asking to have their misconfigured MTAs brought in line. They can play with whatever they want. I just don't

Re: [IFWP] Re: Why 13 Servers in the Root?

1999-03-30 Thread Jeff Williams
Franky and all, ROFLMAO!! Very good there Franky! Frank Rizzo wrote: Why 13 Servers in the Root? To represent the peacful one and his 12 desciples? The twelve chromatic notes and the 13th jump to the next ocatave? To emulate the structure of the thirteen original colonies? Because It

Re: Private Response to:Re: [IFWP] Re: Public use of new gTLDs

1999-03-30 Thread Richard J. Sexton
Nobody says you have to send me email. If you do, my signature file has addresses that will work for you. At 06:54 PM 3/30/99 -0800, Greg Skinner wrote: Dr Eberhard W Lisse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: I AM COMPLAINING THAT I DO NOT WANT TO REACH THESE ADDRESSES AND I DON`T WANT TO BE

[IFWP] Re: Is the ROOT really onwable?

1999-03-30 Thread Jeff Williams
Rob and all, Rob Raisch wrote: Kent, While I appreciate your perspective (and realize the wealth of experience from which it emanates), I believe it suffers from an understandable form of establishmentarian myopia. THis seems both a reasonable evaluation and one that points out how we