Re: [WSG] Accessibility - display: none v.s. left: -9999px

2007-02-14 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 15 Feb 2007, at 02:06:11, Michael MD wrote: Do any screen readers support some kind of metadata or semantic markup that could be used to embed such content in the page? No, because screen readers never actually see the markup - they're designed to work with Windows applications that

Re: [WSG] Accessibility - display: none v.s. left: -9999px

2007-02-14 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Nick Fitzsimons wrote: So any attempt to include markup just for screen readers is doomed to failure - screen readers don't use markup. Do screen readers reveal cover-ups ? Example: http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_chaos_14.html Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no

Re: [WSG] Accessibility - display: none v.s. left: -9999px

2007-02-14 Thread Barney Carroll
Michael MD wrote: Do any screen readers support some kind of metadata or semantic markup that could be used to embed such content in the page? Such stuff 'exists' only ethereally. In their wisdom, screen reader developers have by and wide chosen not to bother implementing any of the manifold

Re: [WSG] Accessibility - display: none v.s. left: -9999px

2007-02-14 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 14 Feb 2007, at 15:48:00, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Nick Fitzsimons wrote: So any attempt to include markup just for screen readers is doomed to failure - screen readers don't use markup. Do screen readers reveal cover-ups ? Example: http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_chaos_14.html I don't

Re: [WSG] Accessibility - display: none v.s. left: -9999px

2007-02-14 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 14 Feb 2007, at 14:49:43, Nick Fitzsimons wrote: On 15 Feb 2007, at 02:06:11, Michael MD wrote: Do any screen readers support some kind of metadata or semantic markup that could be used to embed such content in the page? No, because screen readers never actually see the markup -

Re: [WSG] Accessibility - display: none v.s. left: -9999px

2007-02-14 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 14 Feb 2007, at 16:44:22, Nick Fitzsimons wrote: To follow myself up with some hard facts: OK, I've written up what is hopefully a factual and detailed account of exactly what's going on with the display:none, visibility:hidden and left:-px techniques, explaining what the

Re: [WSG] Accessibility - display: none v.s. left: -9999px

2007-02-13 Thread Brad Pollard
: none v.s. left: -px -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blake Sent: Monday, 12 February 2007 5:20 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Accessibility - display: none v.s. left: -px Which is more

Re: [WSG] Accessibility - display: none v.s. left: -9999px

2007-02-13 Thread lisa herrod
Hi guys Which is more accessible to screen readers and the like? display: none; or position: absolute; left: -px; I think I've read that screen readers will read content that is positioned off-screen, but will not read content that is set to display: none. You need to keep in mind

[WSG] Accessibility - display: none v.s. left: -9999px

2007-02-12 Thread Blake
Which is more accessible to screen readers and the like? display: none; or position: absolute; left: -px; I think I've read that screen readers will read content that is positioned off-screen, but will not read content that is set to display: none. -- Australian Web Designer -

RE: [WSG] Accessibility - display: none v.s. left: -9999px

2007-02-12 Thread Gav....
-Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blake Sent: Monday, 12 February 2007 5:20 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Accessibility - display: none v.s. left: -px Which is more accessible to screen readers