Saw this scooter site and thought this product looked
like a small version of the EMB.
http://www.escooter.cn/
http://65.98.92.168/products/miniscooters/escooters/es056_1.jpg
Looks like a small Ruckus knock off.
Here are a couple of photo albums with cycles @ the
EVN Cup
pics of the EVN Cup 2003
http://www.htl-hl.ac.at/hauptseite/news/030701evncup03/
I think this is the page of the bike with the homemade frame. It
looks like it hit a wall too... :(
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found on the
Visforvoltage forum on Mike MikeZilla Mercado (if
this is someone on the list, I will be wearing egg on
my face). I really like the stretch look, the curved
frame of the bike, and ETEK/alltrax powered. IMO its
simple frame has a visual nostalgic appeal.
http://www.visforvoltage.com
This one was found on Megawattmotorworks.com site
under the photos of the Power of DC 2005 event. The
owner's name is only listed as Shawn. It is a cycle
and sidecar arrangement. It has twin ETEKs mounted on
a shaft drive. The Batts appear to be in the sidecar.
Because of the larger area in
Hi Mike,
I've been looking over the pictures of your project and have a few questions.
What was the source for your glider? Can you tell us a bit about the
bike's history and how you found the chassis to convert?
I choose the CBR because I had a lot of spare Honda parts laying
around from
Here is what I get out of the doc. You need to send the controller
a command and it will send you a response. If you want to get the
Battery voltage you need to send it
5B 04 39 00 00 98
Okay. I got the terminal apps that Phillipe suggested and they are
most helpful.
I put one (forget
Ok, I bit the bullet and spent some hard earned eBay dollars on a new Etek
from Capt. America. (I hope none of his enemies come to exact revenge
grin). Does anyone have a dxf format of the motor? I will search around
more, but don't remember seeing one on the Briggs Stratton site. I found a
dxf
Mike,
Do you have a third box you can run the Alltrax software on and to snoop on
the conversation use one of these:
Those are some nifty gizmos!
From what little I've read so far, it looks like RealTerm can can sit
in the background and snoop on other apps using the com port but you
need
.
Mike
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Until now, lithium batteries have not had the rapid charging
capability or safety level needed for use in cars. Hybrid cars now
run on nickel metal hydride batteries, which power an electric motor
and can rapidly recharge while the car is decelerating or
I am not partial to the EC-02, but this video is
pretty funny. Found a vid from the Discovery channel
in which the host tries out the EC-02. During the
discussion, the battery is pulled out and shown.
Pretty good demonstration of some of its features.
Source go to the http://www.rMoto.com
I will translate and post as soon as I can. I would
What? You speak Portuguese, too?
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It's my native language :^)
school has added spanish and english...i would like to learn german one day
I thought you where French? Oh, I feel shame.
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Neon John had posted a link to this charger
http://www.batteryservice.com/products_final.aspx?ModelNumber=SE-1072
and I decided to buy one to try out for my motorcycle. I already
have most of the parts gathered to build two very similar chargers,
but since I wanted something to leave and use
Looks great, Mike. Can you add some commentary about
battery chemistry or some such?
Oh, like NiHM, NiCD and so forth? That slipped my mind. Yeah. Good one.
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hey guys here is a picture of Loren Skyhorse's Electric '78 Kawasaki
http://www.durangotelegraph.com/04-07-08/images/0708_day6.jpg
Now THAT'S a sprocket! Thanks John!
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Title: CBR F4 frame on eBay
Just had to share this with you guys:
http://snipurl.com/oydg
If I wasn't well into my Hawk conversion I'd snap this up.
You are
viewing a used frame and swingarm from a 99 CBR F4. this frame will
fit some F4is also. It look as though this frame was a rebuild
Harley's had a two speed transmission that was an add on or
something to the three speed tranny that was common at the time.
Should I go back to that book?
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Jesse James and the crew at Monster Garage are building an electric
car out of an ol '62 Bel Aire powered by Milwakee tool batteries.
It is on the east coast right now 8pm (5pm pst)
I see it flowing into the TiVo now... now it's just a matter of
trying to find the time to watch it!
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some vids at youtube.com of the Blade in the woods
Looks like an old model too but still very cool. Did see how it's
been voted? Only one star?! If you're a YouTube member give this a
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I am shamed that I did not think of these examples.
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on them (the specs call for 6 to complete break in).
Just WHAT is the break in procedure? I spent a lot of money on my YT
and don't wanna screw them up just yet. Just charge them then gentle
discharge about 6 times? What's gentle?
The other Mike,
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The Harleys seem to get up to 70 tooth the rear. For my ap. I want
about a 4.6:1 ratio so that means I would like to find a 15 tooth.
to mount on the motor shaft.
What size/pitch are the Harleys?
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Nicely done, sir. Thank you.
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Sorry but that wasn't a nice job...its fantastic! The article looks
great Lyle!!
Yeah, and he's teasing us with part 2! We're jones'n, man!
I saw it earlier; I use the RSS feeds to feed my news reader on my
desktop...now if more EV sites used RSS...
I am an RSS fiend.
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A recent attempt now has me on a different path then I was
instructed to follow before. Now all I have to do is see a law
enforcement officer certified in theft detection and they'll go over
the parts and say they can't find a VIN and it isn't stolen, or find
one and then I'm all set.
:
http://gabbly.com/electricmotorcycles.net
And you'd be instantly hooked up with who ever's online and willing to chat.
Don't know that I'd ever use it but it's one more tool in your quest
for knowledge, eh?
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Quoting lyle sloan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Interesting feature. I also like the map of the world
with the dots. So is it quantity or size that
matters? :)
I'm told it's quality...
The map thing is really cool. I stumbled onto that and thought what the
heck and
tossed it on. Pretty ineresting
Hello All,
I'm building a new dash and need the mounting template that came with
the Allbright ED250B battery disconnect. I misplaced mine and the
idea of guessing isn't high on my list.
Can someone scan theirs or shoot me the numbers?
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screwing with it and just ride it.
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actually: the first part is my first initial, M, phonetically. It's
also the acronym for Electric Motorcycle. But wait, there's more! An
em dash is also a punctuation mark that indicates a sudden break in
thought which is basically-- oh, look at that shiny object-- how my
brain works.
Mike
on eBay awhile back. I don't
remember which model it was but it was less than $60. Something like
a model 1201 at 36v 200amp maybe? I dunno. It sits here waiting for
a new chassis to go into.
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Some possibilities there - biggest problem is most of the scooter
controls seem to be limited to 24V. I guess I could run at 24V, but
then I'm giving up some of the motor's capability.
I forget, you have 36v or 48v? There's quite a few 36v scooter
controllers and I've successfully run 48v on
guess?
You'll want a throttle too. The above controller uses a hall effect
throttle the cheapest looks like it's they have a few in the $18-$24
range.
That'll get that mini-bike moving pretty well!
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When I came into work this morning one of my coworkers who has been
shopping for a motorcycle showed me this add.
http://portland.craigslist.org/mcy/160694197.html
2 Electric Motorcycles Frames in Good Shape - FREE
2 Electric Motorcycles - some pieces - cool looking when put
together. If
I was just browsing Ebay and found this unit. Seems sorta large at
12 long but it seems cheap enough. Currently at $1.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=7620494821
YOU ARE BIDDING ON AN 800 WATT VICOR MINI STAKPAC DC TO DC CONVERTER
MADE BY WESTCOR CORP A DIVISION OF VICOR
Well, you probably already knew that but what is new is that they now
well things like fasteners, springs, bearings, and even raw material
like plastic and metal.
I understand it's in 'beta' and haven't bought anything from it yet
myself but thought you nice people might like to know too.
One of my favorite sites for stuff is the Surplus Center:
www.surpluscenter.com
I get a lot of chain and sprockets, etc from there. Good stuff and they have
fast shipping.
I haven't purchased anything from surplescenter.com just yet but
Amazon's big advantage is they have the mighty wish
in the
electricmotorcycles.net album too. Or, you could post in both
places!
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Hello all,
I finally got me some internet time to do some
searchingfor a price :-( Anyways, I noticed that
there is a Sinclair and a Kawasaki for sale at the EV
tradin Post. http://www.austinev.org/evtradinpost/
I've wanted a Sinclair for so long... There's a NEW on on ebay right
now
Hello,
If it helps maybe you can ask a UK EVlister to take it and send it to you
for small fee :^)
Too expensive. Or I don't want it bad enough. One or the other! :)
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I might be able to head over there. Only about 5 hours for me. Anybody
else?
Huh. I hadn't heard of this event. I won't have a bike ready to
race, I'm sure, but it might be fun to head down there anyway.
Remind me again when we get closer, eh?
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As far as directions, it is generally desired to have the fan blow
air over the armature, then the commutator. The comm is more
sensitive to dirt and debris. Getting dirt blown right at the comm
while operating can potential scar the comm and damage it if dirt
gets under the brushes.
For the
A pot box is a lot of work when you can just use a Magura Twist Grip throttle.
http://www.evparts.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=540product_id=2162
Blah. I had one but took it off 'cause it has a different feel to
it. Hard to explain but it didn't 'feel' right. It's an okay made
unit
Title: Re: [ElectricMotorcycles] Some electric motorcycles
in the
Thanks Lyle. It looks like the Drift is
making it from prototype to
production. This is a huge leap for any
EV company, I hope they make it.
I gotta get this off my chest: It really bothers me that
the Drift has been getting so
I think you are confusing te one in switzerland with
the Drift-Electricross in colorado.
What? Me get confused? Never... very rarely... occasionally... well,
okay. It happens. Looks like it happened again.
I take back the dark thoughts that went through my mind.
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microcontrollers generally use) is 0 and 5 volts. A max232 should be
a good answer. I was going to go that route myself but found a
premade module for cheap and purchased that instead. I'm lazy.
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in danger is by
running it with no load. Gearing will come down to what speed it can
pull and how fast you want to get there.
Two of the experts have said that now so maybe I'm worried over nothing.
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I have that one on my bike. The torque - speed curves they sent
with the motor go to 6000 rpm. Someone wrote once before to keep
them below 5500 unless special modifications are made.Mark T.
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electrics, I think I'd worry
about the speed thing. If one had to, I suppose one could tell the
controller to limit the power during inspection...
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I was thinking of doing just the moped version of the bike, since I am
only going to the post office and back.
So we can't talk you into buying a hydraulic mandrel tube bender, a
CNC machine, a tig welder, dual PERM 132 motors, some Lithium Ion
batteries with a Zilla 2k controller, then?
blind, unadulterated luck.
I haven't seen the book so I don't know how detailed it gets. Nor do
I remember the price but I do remember thinking it would probably be
a good value just for the info that's in it. And now that I know Mike
B is one of the co-authors I feel even more so.
Mike R
forward 120 volt
bike but thank goodness my wife noticed I was staring at the TV and
snapped me out of it. The TV was off at the time.
Mike
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Yeah, I have sent him a message or two now. I believe he is Dallas,
which is about 3-4 hours from me depending upon how I drive.
Tony is Dallas? Well, that explains a thing or two. Ha ha ha.
(http://imdb.com/title/tt0078748/)
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to be displayed with the photo such as range, speed, model, make,
etc. Anything you think might be fun or interesting.
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Sorry, here is a better link.
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/oct242006/gallery.asp?pic=10
I'd ride it. I like how the chain looking thingy makes it looks
sorta industrial mixed with semi-modern bike design.
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So I'm looking at a few options:
A) Change the gearing so 1st gear is 1.375:1 and 2nd gear is 1:1.
This will put a smaller load change on the motors, and should hit
just over 70 at 2900 RPM.
B) Lower the voltage way down on the clutch (voltage yet to be
determined) so that the clutch
some fiberglass, but it didn't have a professional look whatsoever.
The lexan I'm running now is very quick and easy, and looks as good
as anything else I've done. Guess it's about aerodynamics, not
looks. Well, more about aerodynamics anyway.
Form follows function or something like that.
Here is another blogger of a person working on his
conversion.
http://biobug.org/ev-motorcycle/blog/
I think this is the guy who runs the hack-a-day blog, isn't it? If
so, he did a couple of blog entries on electric motorcycles and I
think that sparked his interest. Another one falls to our
I didn't like how the wikipedia was setup for
electric motorcycle so I've been keeping myself busy
trying to add info to it. It is a work in progress.
I am saving the good links for us first, though. :-P
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trap. By that I mean it doesn't
have to be a Kawasaki Ninja. It could be a YZF, GSX-R, CBR, or
pretty much anything else. I haven't read Secrets of El Ninja but I
suspect what John is putting forth in the book holds true for any
bike.
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How is that the battery instrument panel project coming along? Does
anyone know?
There's a couple of projects out there. On the EVTech listserve
they're developing a very nice one for cars though we could scale it
down for bikes. Then there's EM Dash of course but they guy who's
spear
Interesting thought started on that one, Mike. I like
that precooler so to speak.
I think Peltier exchangers would help in this
instance, but I would be concerned with the sudden
temp change on the brushes, i.e. cold to hot. Whether
I was thinking of something that is for pit use, ie
care of that.
Didn't think of that. Yeah, that would cool it down a bit to say the least.
P.S.S. Mike, why are my pictures in that blog not showing up anymore?
I see 'em. Anyone else?
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I just found this post on Make. I knew Google could do basic math
but it never occured to me to do anything like this guy, Bob is doing:
Say I have an LED that I want to run from a 12v DC power supply. I
already know that the LED requires a forward voltage of 2v and and a
forward current of
many people nowdays still have one main question, How fast will it
go? When they get the
My wife's college room-mate is in a chair and sometimes it's hard to
walk with her. She just opens the throttle and leaves the rest of us
running behind. I haven't spoken to her in a long time but I do
Hi John,
Yeah, finding info on building an electric bike is in short supply
but we're slowing changing that. You can try Jerry's calculators.
They're on the right hand side listed under the green EV Tools
button. Jerry is a coding deity.
You can also check the toolbox on our site. Here's
The advantage of BBSes as I see it:
the advantages of listservs:
the dis-advantages of BBSes:
A good post there John, thanks. And welcome, btw. I agree with your
list of advantages and dis-advantages and I hope this little project
marries them all together.
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that they'll either: A) Think that it's some kind of electric
piston, or B) won't consider it a real bike without cylinder heads,
despite _knowing_ it's electric? Of course, then there's the gas
tank ...
I suspect it's B. That's been my first hand impression with a lot of
motorcyclists
On the flip side, you didn't build a custom bike -- you fit your
components into an existing frame, which (to me) is rather an
accomplishment in itself. Making a custom frame around the
components is (in some sense) easier.
A lot of the 'customs' aren't. The builder often just buys the
Actually I think the fake cylinder heads look much nicer than my
battery box. I wouldn't mind having something like that on my bike.
http://home.comcast.net/~damonhenry/Suzuki09.jpg
Naw, you just need a cover on the front box is all. Go to McMaster
and buy some 1/8 PVC and have at it with
What I would like to see is batteries that are made to
fit on a bike. To clarify, we are trying to fit a
square peg in an almost round hole. This empty space
from all the batteries to the edges might be enough to
fit another battery and a half. The way I figure it,
A buddy of mine had a pack
Unfortunately, for several reasons, the bike project is not going to be. I
am selling the bike frame and parts and after talking with Jim tonight, I
have listed the motors on eBay for sale. There are lots of pictures and
Oh man. Oh man. I wish I had some extra $! One minor thing. When I
GoWheel.com has just finished their bike and posted
pics on the evalbum and their site.
http://www.evdaytona.com/
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1017
I find it alot more realistic looking than the concept
drawing. Although the 77,000 price tag still hurts my
eyes and I would like to see their
i must say this list is much more friendly, helpful and down to
earth that the other ev lists.
Ah, well you obviously haven't found the other listserv at
WeMakeFunofDaleHenderson.com
i took my first test ride last weekend!!! and hope to get my bike
street legal soon, i just wish i would
So I'm poking around on CraigsList today (damn you bobcat!) and found this:
Twin 350W Hub motors.Four 12V Motorcycle batteries for 48V of power.
25-30 MPH on gravel.Dual disc brakes.Best of whats new in
Pop.Mech.magazine 2004.Almost silent.Locking storage in faux tank.
LED power readout.Comes
- the motor makes a small squeaking noise when (un powered by hand)
turning slowly. Is this sound the brushes rubbing or do I need to
suspect bearings? I don't suspect any issues, just curious.
None of motors squeak when turned by hand. You can hear the brushes
sliding over the internals
This looks like the BUD speed trials. That's where I've decided
that I'm taking my land speed race bike.
But that's after the drag bike gets completely finished, and hold
all records from 24V to 120V.
Then the Jr. Dragster.
Then on to the land speed bike.
At least you've got a plan. I
I was poking around eBay, waiting for the spray paint to dry on some
ebike parts, and found this: Airpax 150 Amp 80 Volt DC Circuit
Breaker with a buy it now for $5. Item number: 290058376726
# DC Circuit Breaker
# Maximum Voltage 80 Volts DC
# Rated Amperage 150 Amps
# Trip Amps 180
# Delay
To decompose this thread a little more...
A DC breaker is a safety device.
A DC disconnect is a switch.
It is similar to the old machinst adage You can drill on a mill,
but you shouldn't mill on a drill.
Here's what I was thinking:
Running the clutch cable to the breaker to act as an oh sh*t
So you will adapt the breaker with a mechanical connection to the
clutch cable?
Breaker ON - clutch cable tight
Breaker OFF - clutch cable loose
Not a bad idea. The breaker still does its job is needed and
provides the smoking disconnect aspect of The Big Red Button.
I like the idea a lot. I
I expect the controller to fail full on, a scary thought with two
eteks at 72v.
http://visforvoltage.net/files/u64/Mar_5_2007_EM.jpghttp://visforvoltage.net/files/u64/Mar_5_2007_EM.jpg
That's how my Golftek failed - full on. Messy, messy.
Power consumption of a Curtis Albright SW200-505 is
I moved EM.net to a new server today so I just want to make sure the
list still works.
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Mike, guess I'm slow to knock a guy that puts all this work into an
otherwise great website. You still the man.
It's not that nice. If I had more time it would be NICE. So it's
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I have thoroughly enjoyed reading all the great things you guys are
building. You guys really seem to know what you are doing.
Mike looks around wonder who the heck you're talking about. Ha ha ha.
If I don't get a shock when I put the two things together then I go
with it. If I get a shock
Thanks john just posted it on the site. The article
also came with a vid, I cant see it. Would anyone
mind typing a synopsis of it?
Try this: http://snipurl.com/1mtux
Also, if they want a username and password use these:
Username: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Me too ,
I have built 2 more since then and am thinning the heard. Is there
a place on the em site for posting for sale bits?
-Garret (with 2 cycles for sale in Colorado)
No. Should there be? I mean, do we have enough stuff to sell? Would
it be worth the effort to setup (or write) the
Hey Andrew, hope to see you there. We'll be the bunch of goobers
standing around the electric motorcycles. Just so you can tell us
all apart: I'm the handsome one, Terry is the smart one, Doug has
the orange bike, and my wife is the girl.
(Sorry to talk for you, Mike.) Mike is getting
is that there where no serious injuries this time! I got a
call while driving home that the young man in question is expected to
make a full recovery and a local beauty shop has already donated a
wig.
I'm tired and headed to bed.
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Looks like they even tried to doa website.
http://www.illusionmotorcycles.com/ if it doesnt pull
up you will have to go to google search and look in
the cached links.
Here's a direct link to the picture:
http://www.illusionmotorcycles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/44.jpg
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don't have them handy but a search for large scale RC would probably
find them.
How much was that nifty electric RC motor anyways? I poked around
the site but didn't see a price.
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Andrew in Ann Arbor
Hey Andrew, did you make it to the Green Fair last Friday?
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What about that electric mountain bike?
one etek, splurge on lithiums, no tranny.
could you keep the weight down to say 120lbs?
I really wish I wasn't bound to secrecy. It's killing me!
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Do yourself a favor and get your motor in the best spot first, then
get creative with where you place your batteries.
This is, once again, excellent advice from Damon. I second the opinion.
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but might do my BikeE recumbent first
http://www.bicycleman.com/recumbents/bike_e/images/bike_e_at_1_lg.jpg
I have a bent that's been sitting for years partly built. I had
planned on it being a power assist at 24 volts. It's pinned between
the second electric motorcycle and an ICE
but I'd still like to have 36volts in it.
http://dictator.jkyrd.com/files/20070521224214.jpg
Nice helmet and cape.
Glad you joined the list! I was reading your blog just the other
day. Well, the English part anyway.
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links page is 404, btw.
Mike
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and PWM of the main contactor and some decent specs. There's no
online datasheet and I'd like to see if anyone's used it.
I'm not familiar with them. Anyone else? They seem pretty
inexpensive for a regen.
Mike
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