I just thought I'd remind you all that the last time talk here turned to
politics it nearly ended in tears before bedtime. Please think before you
post anything potentially inflamable as I think there are a wider variety
of more strongly held views represented here than is apparent from the
Robert Shiels:
Over the next 4 years, Labour
will fail to deliver their promises yet again, and the
country will swing back to the party of low taxes, who will
be re-elected in 2006.
Part of the reason why they haven't delivered the promises that I think are
important (decent public
On or about Mon, May 14, 2001 at 10:45:45AM +0100, Matthew Jones typed:
I genuinely believe that the
public are sick of watching the NHS, education system etc wasting away on a
starvation diet and would be willing to pay a bit of extra tax to make sure
that their kids can get schooled and that
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 10:45:45AM +0100, Matthew Jones wrote:
Part of the reason why they haven't delivered the promises that I think are
important (decent public services) is because they've hamstrung themselves
with this clueless tory low-tax approach. I genuinely believe that the
public
- Original Message -
From: Matthew Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 4:45 AM
Subject: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)
Robert Shiels:
Over the next 4 years, Labour
will fail to deliver their promises yet again, and the
country
This is why we should abolish democracy.
We need a benevolent dictator. Obviously we can't vote for
our dictator
(not only is democracy too flawed, but then it wouldn't be a dictator
either) so I hereby appoint myself.
Why not? The Romans did. The title of Imperator and Dictator were
- Original Message -
From: Matthew Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 5:05 AM
Subject: RE: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)
I appoint Greg as my Culture Adviser and as head of the church. Any
volunteers for my other minions? Even
On or about Mon, May 14, 2001 at 11:04:52AM +0100, Matthew Jones typed:
When have they ever been asked?
During elections. Like I say, in 1997, the UK voted in a party that was (I
reckon) seen as the guardian of the public services, the party that is
traditionally associated
In 1997 the UK
At 10:45 14/05/01 +0100, you wrote:
Part of the reason why they haven't delivered the promises that I think
are
important (decent public services) is because they've hamstrung themselves
with this clueless tory low-tax approach.
Yup.
I genuinely believe that the
public are sick of watching
On Mon, 14 May 2001, Roger Burton West wrote:
On or about Mon, May 14, 2001 at 11:04:52AM +0100, Matthew Jones typed:
When have they ever been asked?
During elections. Like I say, in 1997, the UK voted in a party that was (I
reckon) seen as the guardian of the public services, the party that
In 1997 the UK voted against the Conservatives. The policies
being offered by the parties were close to identical.
For values of conservative that are low-tax/shitty services, IMHO. The
policies may have been close, but the perception of the two parties still
pointed at Labour as the party of
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 11:17:51AM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote:
On or about Mon, May 14, 2001 at 11:04:52AM +0100, Matthew Jones typed:
When have they ever been asked?
During elections. Like I say, in 1997, the UK voted in a party that was (I
reckon) seen as the guardian of the public
From: Matthew Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have deeply unfashionable political views, though. I think tax and spend
is a *good idea*.
I'm neither completely left, or completely right. I would be happy to pay
more income tax to improve health and education. I actually voted LibDem
last time as
On Mon, 14 May 2001, you wrote:
Robert Shiels:
Over the next 4 years, Labour
will fail to deliver their promises yet again, and the
country will swing back to the party of low taxes, who will
be re-elected in 2006.
Part of the reason why they haven't delivered the promises that I
At 11:17 14/05/01 +0100, you wrote:
Governments never get value for money on anything they do. Discuss.
The Louisiana purchase was a pretty good deal. So was Alaska. So was the
Suez canal. Government subsidy of scientific research has possibly been a
very good deal, it's hard to quantify.
Just because they can't deliver those promises for those costs doesn't
mean no one else can. If they knew they couldn't deliver within those
cost constraints why did they lie and say they could?
Because they are (right-wing) politicians. Just look at the absurd
promisises Hague's lot are
Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
does anyone happen to have one of those little plastic credit card things
they were giving out before the last election with 10 things 'let us be
judged on these:' ..
That was a Mark Thomas episode wasn't it?
--
Dave Hodgkinson,
On or about Mon, May 14, 2001 at 10:37:23AM +0100, Cross David - dcross typed:
Here's a pretty fundamental issue. Why do so many people seem to think that
low taxes are good?
Because many people think that they are better judges of how their own
money should be spent than the government (of
At 11:58 14/05/01 +0100, you wrote:
If you ignore all of those, I
wonder how many of those 'stealth' taxes would really exist.
IR35, for a start ?
On the subject of idiocy and legislation, here's a good one
A dairy farmer has some cows (might not anymore, actually, but anyway...),
and
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 11:44:11AM +0100, Matthew Jones wrote:
The tories are going to have low tax and pay for improved public services
through cracking down on benefit fraud, apparently. Gah, if only someone
had thought of that before. 'Cos you can solve a long-term underfunding
problem by
On Mon, 14 May 2001, you wrote:
Just because they can't deliver those promises for those costs doesn't
mean no one else can. If they knew they couldn't deliver within those
cost constraints why did they lie and say they could?
Because they are (right-wing) politicians. Just look at the
Here's a pretty fundamental issue. Why do so many people
seem to think that low taxes are good?
Because many people think that they are better judges of how their own
money should be spent than the government (of whatever flavour) is.
This is something I've always wondered about. Given
From: Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED]?
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 12:08 PM
There are some contractors here, I understand, who might have something
to say about government policy on taxation.
Heh. Can you be a contractor and hold on to your left-wing principles? Let's
see...
Whilst I'd seem to
From: Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
3. Teachers are responsible for children taking their medicine. If a child
has a critical allergy to (bee stings, etc, etc) the teachers are
responsible for administering intra-venous beta blockers etc. They don't
get paid more for being nurses too.
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 10:57:59AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
I appoint Greg as my Culture Adviser and as head of the church. Any
volunteers for my other minions? Even if you don't want a cabinet
post, please feel free to volunteer as a Henchman. You'll get 25 days
holiday a year, a
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:16:27PM +0100, Matthew Jones wrote:
It also irtritates me when the oil companies hike fuel prices and the dump
the pump lobby respond by suggesting that the government drop tax. Why
don't they ever have a go at BP or Shell?
You don't elect BP or Shell.
--
He was a
Hospital waiting lists are up,
No, hospital waiting lists are down. The time spent waiting to get on the
wiating list is up. :)
so are class sizes in schools.
No, class sizes are down in primary schools (were primaries specified on the
pledge card?). Secondary school classes are level or
* at 14/05 12:16 +0100 Matthew Jones said:
Ah, yes. That's like we're listening, isn't it, in response to the
fuel crisis? We're not going to do anything, but we're happy
to listen.
That narked me about the fuel protestors. They claimed the government
aren't listening. Listen ne cave
the pump lobby respond by suggesting that the government
drop tax. Why don't they ever have a go at BP or Shell?
You don't elect BP or Shell.
Well, precisely, they're companies, so you boycott them. Which is what I
thought that dump the pump was originally about; boycotting oil companies
At 12:27 PM 5/14/01 +0100, you wrote:
Hospital waiting lists are up,
so are class sizes in schools.
No, class sizes are down in primary schools (were primaries specified on the
pledge card?). Secondary school classes are level or *slightly* up, IIRC.
Are they in reality, or is it due to the
Are they in reality, or is it due to the current lot being in
lower birth years than the lot 4 years ago, and hence the secondary
school numbers being up now?
Heh, it's pre-election statistics, so god knows what possible conne4ction to
reality they may have! :)
--
matt | I mean to make you
Matthew Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It also irtritates me when the oil companies hike fuel prices and the dump
the pump lobby respond by suggesting that the government drop tax. Why
don't they ever have a go at BP or Shell?
Because the vast majority of the petrol pump price (something
Matthew Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
medicine and so on. Has anybody worked out how much it would cost to buy the
same services as a private citizen compared to the cost that the state
charges in tax?
People have tried to do this and the figures I saw suggest the private
sector can
From: Steve Mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 May 2001 12:12
Subject: Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)
Robert Shiels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm neither completely left, or completely right. I would be happy to
pay
more income tax to improve health
On Mon, 14 May 2001, Martin Ling wrote:
Appears I'm out of a job too from the end of the month, so count me in.
The mighty army of unemployed Perlers takes over the world...
Is this the point where I can try and recruit some of you compscis to the
bioinformatics revolution? Hack around and
Jonathan Peterson wrote:
2. A teacher can't be alone in a room with a pupil unless the
door is open.
Things were obviously different back when I spent the occasional lunch break
(or after school) in detention :)
Cheers,
Philip
--
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
All opinions are my own, not
On Mon, 14 May 2001, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
Is this the point where I can try and recruit some of you compscis to the
bioinformatics revolution? Hack around and cure cancer at the same time ;-)
L.
Been there, done that at the Sanger Centre hacking around with genes
though...
Andy
Matthew Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
the pump lobby respond by suggesting that the government
drop tax. Why don't they ever have a go at BP or Shell?
You don't elect BP or Shell.
Well, precisely, they're companies, so you boycott them. Which is what I
thought that dump the pump
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 01:06:42PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
Is this the point where I can try and recruit some of you compscis to the
bioinformatics revolution?
I've always thought it sounded like fun.
How does one go about joining the bioinformatics revolution, then?
.robin.
--
It
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 01:06:42PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
Appears I'm out of a job too from the end of the month, so count me in.
The mighty army of unemployed Perlers takes over the world...
Is this the point where I can try and recruit some of you compscis to the
bioinformatics
I'm not trying to negate your point, which I agree with, but I'm not sure if
this one is true. Teachers at my daughters school have refused to give
medicine to her, and to other children, some of whom are on constant
medication; their mother comes into the school to administer it.
You
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 01:18:00PM +0100, Robin Houston wrote:
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 01:06:42PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
Is this the point where I can try and recruit some of you compscis to the
bioinformatics revolution?
I've always thought it sounded like fun.
How does one go
Robin Houston wrote:
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 01:06:42PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
Is this the point where I can try and recruit some of you compscis to the
bioinformatics revolution?
I've always thought it sounded like fun.
How does one go about joining the bioinformatics
On Mon 14 May, Matthew Jones wrote:
No, class sizes are down in primary schools (were primaries specified on the
pledge card?). Secondary school classes are level or *slightly* up, IIRC.
Some spokesman on the radio this morning promised to reduce class sizes in
primary schools and to recruit
Some spokesman on the radio this morning promised to reduce
class sizes in primary schools and to recruit more secondary school
teachers. How can they achieve the former without recruiting more
teachers?
I'd assume that they would recruit more Classroom Assistants. Sort of
paradidacts
class but reducing the pupil/adult ration, I guess.
-^^
Heh. I bet it was the MAFF comment which planted that one.
--
matt
The (void) is that which stands right in the middle of this and That.
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:11:13PM +, Steve Mynott wrote:
Well one advantage of BP or Shell is if you don't like either company
then you can simply choose not to purchase their products.
So how, pray, do I opt out of the international oil companies' cartel?
--
David Cantrell | [EMAIL
On Mon, 14 May 2001, David Cantrell wrote:
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:11:13PM +, Steve Mynott wrote:
Well one advantage of BP or Shell is if you don't like either company
then you can simply choose not to purchase their products.
So how, pray, do I opt out of the international oil
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 02:56:03PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
So how, pray, do I opt out of the international oil companies' cartel?
With a solar panel and some batteries.
Martin
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 02:56:03PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
So how, pray, do I opt out of the international oil companies' cartel?
Adapt that gas-guzzling beast of yours to run on rape seed oil.
Martin
So how, pray, do I opt out of the international oil
companies' cartel?
use the tube and electric trains? Most power stations aren't oil fired
AFAIK.
Not even then, I guess. Am I right in thinkming that many plastics are
(by-)products of the refining process? So that's internal
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 03:05:06PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
On Mon, 14 May 2001, David Cantrell wrote:
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:11:13PM +, Steve Mynott wrote:
Well one advantage of BP or Shell is if you don't like either company
then you can simply choose not to purchase
I appoint Greg as my Culture Adviser and as head of the church. Any
volunteers for my other minions? Even if you don't want a cabinet
post, please feel free to volunteer as a Henchman. You'll get 25 days
holiday a year, a nice uniform and a free Hench.
... Before I kill you, Mr Bond,
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 11:17:14AM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
2. A teacher can't be alone in a room with a pupil unless the door is open.
I know it's one of those Zen koans, but I just can't work it out.
--
Feed me on TOASTIES! There's no HALL for PHILOSOPHERS ON FRIDAYS.
- Henry
At 15:36 14/05/01 +0100, you wrote:
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 11:17:14AM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
2. A teacher can't be alone in a room with a pupil unless the door is
open.
I know it's one of those Zen koans, but I just can't work it out.
ROFL
Unless the door to the pupil's mind is
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 03:49:26PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
Unless the door to the pupil's mind is open then there is no teacher.
And he was enlightened.
http://simon-cozens.org/hacks/grok
--
For detailed information on the info command, type man info.
- plan9 has a bad day
On Mon, 14 May 2001, Roger Horne wrote:
On Mon 14 May, Matthew Jones wrote:
No, class sizes are down in primary schools (were primaries specified on the
pledge card?). Secondary school classes are level or *slightly* up, IIRC.
Some spokesman on the radio this morning promised to reduce
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:11:13PM +, Steve Mynott wrote:
Well one advantage of BP or Shell is if you don't like either company
then you can simply choose not to purchase their products.
So how, pray, do I opt out of the international oil
* Alex Gough ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I appoint Greg as my Culture Adviser and as head of the church. Any
volunteers for my other minions? Even if you don't want a cabinet
post, please feel free to volunteer as a Henchman. You'll get 25 days
holiday a year, a nice uniform and a
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 02:56:03PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:11:13PM +, Steve Mynott wrote:
Well one advantage of BP or Shell is if you don't like either company
then you can simply choose not to purchase
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 05:14:21PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
What do you mean `naked'? As in one of those freaky hairless ones? Or
are you in the habit of dressing your cats up in little outfits? Do lots
of people dress their cats up? Is there a GAP for cats? Complete with
irritatingly
On Mon, 14 May 2001, Martin Ling wrote:
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 05:14:21PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
What do you mean `naked'? As in one of those freaky hairless ones? Or
are you in the habit of dressing your cats up in little outfits? Do lots
of people dress their cats up? Is there
Tony Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
With a sponge and a rusty spanner?
she said: Eh, I know you, and you cannot sing.
I said: that's nothing--you should hear me play piano.
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1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
there are some politicians who, if their constituents were
Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Lucy McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Mon, 14 May 2001, Martin Ling wrote:
Appears I'm out of a job too from the end of the month, so count me in.
The mighty army of unemployed Perlers takes over the world...
Is this the point where
will [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How do you suggest we train our workforce when schools (which are funded by
tax) can't afford more than a couple of rooms full of archimedes?
I respectfully suggest that we don't train the little buggers in
schools. We teach them stuff. Then, when the come out
Matthew Byng-Maddick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Mon, 14 May 2001, David Cantrell wrote:
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:11:13PM +, Steve Mynott wrote:
Well one advantage of BP or Shell is if you don't like either company
then you can simply choose not to purchase their products.
So
Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I respectfully suggest that we don't train the little buggers in
schools. We teach them stuff.
Wrong. We show them how to learn.
--
Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star
on 14/5/01 9:24 pm, Robin Szemeti wrote:
What the hell happened to the youth that did amusing things with steam
engines, collected stamps and had a chemistry set? .. give a 16 year old
a chemistry set today and they'd try and inject it.
They seem to have taken anything remotely fun out of
Martin Ling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Exactly. This is the same population that brought you 'Hey, why are
there loads of schools with below average results!'
That was a direct quote. Tory education minister. We want to raise
standard so that more than half of schools get above average
Roger Burton West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 02:10:56PM -0400, Piers Cawley wrote:
And while I'm about it, can I please kill anyone who complains that
our universities are 'too elitist?'. Excuse me? I thought that was the
whole point.
Oh, that's easy.
- Being
Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Martin Ling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Exactly. This is the same population that brought you 'Hey, why are
there loads of schools with below average results!'
That was a direct quote. Tory education minister. We want to raise
standard so that
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 06:10:12PM -0400, Piers Cawley wrote:
Well, it's thinking like that that keeps the skills gap nice and wide.
Hmm... can't be all bad then.
Better to quietly allow immigrants across the border, put them in
an immigration armlock and then turn a blind eye to them be
On Mon, 14 May 2001, you wrote:
But it does mean you need some
really AWFUL schools to pull the average down...
AIUI suitable arrangments have been put in place to enable this to happen.
--
Robin Szemeti
The box said requires windows 95 or better
So I installed Linux!
Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Mon, 14 May 2001, you wrote:
But it does mean you need some
really AWFUL schools to pull the average down...
AIUI suitable arrangments have been put in place to enable this to
happen.
I intended to leave that implicit.
--
Piers Cawley
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