Re: back to the 80's

2003-09-16 Thread Tony Bowden
On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 09:27:46AM +0100, Iain Tatch wrote: There's a ZX81 in our server room at work. There was a shelf at BlackStar, underneath the shelf marked Cables, and beside the shelf marked Mice, marked ZX80s. And, yes, it was occupied... Tony

Re: Class:DBI problems...

2003-09-16 Thread Tony Bowden
On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 06:15:19PM +0100, Graham Seaman wrote: Failure while doing 'SELECT issue_id, title, number, current FROM tableSite::Issue/table WHERE current = ? ' with 'SearchSQL in Site::Issue' DBD::mysql::st execute failed: You have an error in your SQL syntax near

Re: Module dependencies

2003-09-08 Thread Tony Bowden
On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 02:21:33PM +0100, Kate L Pugh wrote: Well, I was planning to rely on Module::CPANTS. I'd prefer an extant imperfect solution to an unimplementable perfect solution, or no solution. I've used this in the past. Obviously depends on Module::CPANTS being correct, but

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread Tony Bowden
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 04:34:16PM +0100, Jason Clifford wrote: Christianity is a derived form of Judaism. It teaches that there is one God and that's it. Not quite. It teaches that YHWH is the only *true* God, but the Hebrew Scriptures are full of stories of other gods. Tony

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-03 Thread Tony Bowden
On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 05:16:58PM +0200, Rafael Garcia-Suarez wrote: It's clear, when watching interviews of the scenarists or other members of the team, that Whedon had control over every aspect of the show. I know no other example of this on TV, except McGoohan and the Prisoner. David E.

Re: insidious biometrics, identity crises

2003-08-31 Thread Tony Bowden
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 11:02:39AM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: *There is a big difference between a compulsory ID card and the usual *stuff you carry in your pockets which is voluntary. You're required to carry a drivers license when driving and could be fined and/or jailed if you

Re: Test Sweets?

2003-08-26 Thread Tony Bowden
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 01:05:27PM +0100, Adam Spiers wrote: I beg to differ! There's a substantial difference between Test::More and Test::Unit. Test::Unit is best when you have a huge test suite to run on a huge OO code base I'd say Test::Class is best for thist :) - ok($foo, 'bar')

Re: [OT] SQL woes

2003-08-22 Thread Tony Bowden
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 06:45:21AM -0700, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: MySQL is *just* now getting transactions. PostgreSQL has had some very good experts working on transactions for years now, and they're much further along on the trial-and-error curve that MySQL is just now starting. For

Re: [OT] SQL woes

2003-08-22 Thread Tony Bowden
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 03:30:48PM +0100, Andy Ford wrote: Well thanks for summing that up - it was an interesting read!! Currently I use mySQL only and don't really need transactional stuff. Now triggers I can see a need for!! Triggers at the db level will bite you hard at some point. If

Re: perl and marketing

2003-08-18 Thread Tony Bowden
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 07:09:48AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: Does Perl need better PR? To what goal? Not having to justify the design decision of using Perl from first principles everytime in environments that do not currently use Perl. I think that's too broad a goal. The target

Re: perl and marketing

2003-08-17 Thread Tony Bowden
On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 09:05:43AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: Does Perl need better PR? To what goal? Tony

Re: perl and marketing

2003-08-17 Thread Tony Bowden
On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 10:10:34AM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: FWIW The Ponie press release got sent on the Canon PR newswire and targeted at various journalists and we still failed to get any major writeups. What sort of writeups were you expecting / hoping for? I'd say the number of people

Re: [OT] Film Quiz

2003-02-21 Thread Tony Bowden
On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 03:01:21PM +, Ian Brayshaw wrote: she was the star of director Peter Jackson's first film (Heavenly Creatures), First film? Tony

Re: Class::DBI::Join

2003-02-18 Thread Tony Bowden
On Mon, Feb 17, 2003 at 12:37:17PM +, Kate L Pugh wrote: I sent this question to the Class::DBI list last week, but didn't get any replies so I thought I'd ask here too. Can anyone help me out? I think the problem is that Class::DBI::Join is a Schwern-ism, that no-one else knows much

Re: Class::DBI ponderings

2003-02-07 Thread Tony Bowden
On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 05:34:39PM +, Simon Batistoni wrote: What do other people do? Just connect using a user with full privileges, regardless of the script's task? I can't see huge security disadvantages in this, particularly as such users are locked down to only take connections from

Re: Class::DBI ponderings

2003-02-07 Thread Tony Bowden
On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 08:00:07PM +, Shevek wrote: On reading the code, this is sufficient. Don't call set_db at all. This is pretty close to the architecture I used to use: Each class was responsible for providing an appropriate DB handle on demand. If you don't call set_db, and just

Re: Run time packages or Making Classes

2003-01-21 Thread Tony Bowden
On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 02:07:06AM +, Shevek wrote: Sorry, rather tough shit. Class::DBI requires every class with which you have a relation on sight, ignores errors in require (and makes them inaccessible and indetectable to the user by performing further requires to overwrite

Re: [JOB] Really?

2003-01-21 Thread Tony Bowden
On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 05:39:23PM +, Piers Cawley wrote: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.cwjobs.co.uk/cw_br/JobDetails.asp?JobID=8520593 Has MySQL even been available for 5 years? Yes. BlackStar launched in March 1998, and was using MySQL. I think I first came across

Re: Web Database Applications in perl

2002-12-07 Thread Tony Bowden
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 01:20:35PM +, Tim Sweetman wrote: One of the most common things I need to do is provide some sort of web Class::DBI? It's a good first step, especially when used with TT. But you'll still need a lot of glue to implement the actual CRUD interface. Not as much as

Re: Web Database Applications in perl

2002-12-07 Thread Tony Bowden
On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 12:34:16PM +, Alex McLintock wrote: Are there any code examples for TT and Class::DBI::FromCGI apart from the perldoc? Not really. I keep meaning to put some together, but never really get around to it. I'll happily field questions on it all though. Tony

Re: re-animating regexes

2002-12-01 Thread Tony Bowden
On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 09:53:02AM -, Ivor Williams wrote: Another niggle: /me avoids $a and $b like the plague, as they have special meaning to sort. At a certain on-line video shop, there was once a very strange bug that took quite some time to track back to the use of $b for an instance

Re: Class::DBI trickery

2002-11-13 Thread Tony Bowden
On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 07:09:28PM +, Michael Styer wrote: I've just been introduced to Class::DBI. While I like it lots in general, it seems like it's missing one obvious featur So what I wanted to be able to do is this: my $survey = Survey-retrieve($survey_id);

Re: Class::DBI trickery

2002-11-13 Thread Tony Bowden
On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 12:36:54PM +, Michael Styer wrote: I'd be interested as to why you think it feels backwards... Well, if I have a parent object which has a collection of child objects of some class (or collections of objects of different classes), it seems like the parent should

Re: (no subject)

2002-11-08 Thread Tony Bowden
On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 05:54:32PM +, Richard Clamp wrote: array1 eq array2 array1 = qw( foo bar ); array2 = qw( foob ar ); They're not big, but they are still wrong :) Not to defend the original, but these aren't equal when stringified ... Not without setting $ to or other such

Re: mysql autoincs

2002-07-17 Thread Tony Bowden
On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 04:07:53PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote: On or about Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 04:03:41PM +0100, Mark Fowler typed: Without starting a massive database war, is there anyway to get mysql to forget about autoincremented values. IME the way MySQL generates an auto-increment

Re: [job] same as before

2002-05-29 Thread Tony Bowden
On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 10:48:13AM +0100, perl wrote: Opportunity to join this market leader through their bust World Cup period. Is this *really* what it says? ;) Tony

Re: [REVIEW] Creation - Life and how to make it by Steve Grand

2002-05-26 Thread Tony Bowden
On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 06:12:47AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: In a typical large LDAP directory there will be a lot of information that the end user does not have access to (passwords, or info about the physical location of company documents). Or data they access to but cannot change (e.g.

Re: [REVIEW] Creation - Life and how to make it by Steve Grand

2002-05-26 Thread Tony Bowden
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 05:44:21PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: What do they need this power for? I agree its a shame that its not being used, but what is the average company going to do with it? Sorry If I'm being thick, but I just can't think of anything that an average company (i'm

Re: [REVIEW] Creation - Life and how to make it by Steve Grand

2002-05-25 Thread Tony Bowden
On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 10:39:53PM +0100, Chris Ball wrote: It sounds like the model you're proposing is centralised-with-caching, rather than p2p. In the short/medium term, absolutely. AS I said in the original: My personal take is that we'll start seeing more and more web-based

Re: [REVIEW] Creation - Life and how to make it by Steve Grand

2002-05-24 Thread Tony Bowden
On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 01:50:38PM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: Customers who liked this book may also like Emergence by Stephen Johnson. Not that I've read it yet but he's done lots of articles for Wired and Salon. Like this one .. He did a keynote at the O'Reilly Emerging Technology

Re: [REVIEW] Creation - Life and how to make it by Steve Grand

2002-05-24 Thread Tony Bowden
On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 04:53:06PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: Tony Bowden sent the following bits through the ether: He did a keynote at the O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference last week, based roughly on the book. Did you go? Yes. Was it an interesting conference? Yes. Is p2p

Re: [REVIEW] Creation - Life and how to make it by Steve Grand

2002-05-24 Thread Tony Bowden
On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 06:23:41PM +0100, Chris Ball wrote: Tony As an example, think of a web-based corporate 'address book' Tony application. ... it's relatively Tony simple to have that move to each employee's PC (which may well Tony be more powerful than the server), at

Re: Out of Memory!

2002-05-10 Thread Tony Bowden
On Fri, May 10, 2002 at 02:35:40PM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote: I can't see what it is (and I've looked about, checked for obvious things) localising an element of a tied hash leaks in all perls other than blead... various things do this behind the scenes, such as DBI ... I ran into this with

Re: The Perl Conference

2002-04-13 Thread Tony Bowden
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 07:49:08AM -0700, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Tony : I thought the theme was doing more with less. This would have Tony : interested me. This sort of stuff doesn't... Right. What does that *mean* to *you*? What session titles would you have said damn, I really gotta

Re: The Perl Conference

2002-04-11 Thread Tony Bowden
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 06:09:37AM -0700, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Conference in San Diego this July, it moght help to know that the schedule has been published. Tony Hmmm. There's next to nothing there that I would want to hear :( Well, what *would* you have wanted to hear? Did you even

Re: Going Too Far

2002-03-17 Thread Tony Bowden
On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 06:56:46AM +, Dave Cross wrote: Oops. I've pissed of Liz Castro again. She really objects to my new Amazon review of her book - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201735687 This would be the review that says It's certainly the best of the beginners Perl and

Re: language extensions

2002-03-07 Thread Tony Bowden
On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 03:08:32PM +, Simon Wistow wrote: Has *anybody* written a Source Filter that does anything useful Yada::Yada::Yada? Tony

Re: Bolloxia

2002-02-19 Thread Tony Bowden
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 01:37:17PM +, Simon Wistow wrote: That's just an indication of ignorance. See also Pret a Porter - Ready to Wear. cf. The Madness of King George Tony

Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-14 Thread Tony Bowden
Dimension 8100 was black keys labelled in white... (and black mouse, and black monitor etc.) I don't know if they sell them on their own ... Tony -- -- Tony Bowden | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.tmtm.com/ may my mind

Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-14 Thread Tony Bowden
, to my knowledge. ISTR that Sean M Burke (author of all sorts of CPAN stuff) uses Dvorak... But I may confusing him with someone else... Tony -- -- Tony Bowden | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.tmtm.com

Re: Open Certification

2002-01-27 Thread Tony Bowden
what that node has to do with the question. Or perhaps you've missed what the Open University is about? Tony -- -- Tony Bowden | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.tmtm.com/ The problem is communication. Too

Re: Advocacy link fest

2002-01-26 Thread Tony Bowden
scored things. Info about things like font-size, capitalisation, position in document etc live down at 4.2.5.. I have no idea how much of this is still in use... Tony -- -- Tony Bowden | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http

Re: English language [was call LEVEL oddness]

2002-01-22 Thread Tony Bowden
On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 05:43:08PM -, Ivor Williams wrote: Time flies like an arrow can parsed in 5 different ways. OK ... I get 4 ... what am I missing? Tony -- -- Tony Bowden | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http

Re: Damian in Belfast

2002-01-10 Thread Tony Bowden
On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 02:05:24AM +, Russell Matbouli wrote: On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 11:46:32PM +, David Cantrell wrote: And if any of the Belfast.pm crowd have suggestions for hotels, we'd be grateful for your advice. As for hotels, I guess the main ones would be the Europa, Dukes

Re: JOB: Mod_perl

2002-01-07 Thread Tony Bowden
in those things specifically. Not for something as bland as years experience in the industry. Tony [1] This character is a composite. No similarly to any living blah blah blah. -- -- Tony Bowden | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http

Re: JOB: Mod_perl

2002-01-05 Thread Tony Bowden
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Re: JOB: Mod_perl

2002-01-04 Thread Tony Bowden
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Re: Academics / Real World

2002-01-04 Thread Tony Bowden
that I can do lots of really complex things really trivially using it, but I think you should read more of the stuff on http://www.paulgraham.com ... I quite like a lot of his ideas for Arc. Tony -- -- Tony Bowden | [EMAIL

Re: JOB: Mod_perl

2002-01-04 Thread Tony Bowden
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Re: Next meetings

2001-12-19 Thread Tony Bowden
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Re: Another Good Meeting

2001-11-19 Thread Tony Bowden
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Re: DaemonNews, PerlMonth and TPJ

2001-11-14 Thread Tony Bowden
is a good plan as well... Tony -- -- Tony Bowden | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.tmtm.com/ all history is too small for even me; for me and you,exceedingly too small --

Re: .emacs help

2001-10-30 Thread Tony Bowden
On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 12:28:10PM +, Mark Fowler wrote: Test::Simple++ What if it's someone elses tests? Send them a patch? Tony -- -- Tony Bowden | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.tmtm.com

Re: .emacs help

2001-10-30 Thread Tony Bowden
the one you're looking for. Not at all. You 'binary search' it ;) Name one test near where you think the problem is. Run. Name another nearer. Repeat. Rinse. Tony -- -- Tony Bowden | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.tmtm.com

Disable Word/Excel Macros from Perl?

2001-10-29 Thread Tony Bowden
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Re: Disable Word/Excel Macros from Perl?

2001-10-29 Thread Tony Bowden
On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 12:05:41PM +, Mark Fowler wrote: I know the Spreadsheet::ReadExcel and Spreadsheet::WriteExcel modules work really well. You could read in the entire document and write it out again, stripping out macros and suchlike as you go. I know these modules well *grin*

Re: Disable Word/Excel Macros from Perl?

2001-10-29 Thread Tony Bowden
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Re: Rant: Working in a vacuum

2001-10-28 Thread Tony Bowden
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Re: keyboards

2001-10-27 Thread Tony Bowden
of 12 actually uses 'boke'. I would definitely have used 'boke' rather than 'boak'. 'Boakin yer guts out' just doens't look right... Tony -- -- Tony Bowden | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.tmtm.com/ all history is too small

Re: Birthdays (was Re: sunday / saff london)

2001-10-27 Thread Tony Bowden
On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 03:56:29PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: If you went in in person and couldn't show *any* id (credit card, ATM, library card, etc, etc) that could corroborate your impostering nature I doubt you'd get far either. I arrived in London once and realised I'd left my wallet

Re: Birthdays (was Re: sunday / saff london)

2001-10-27 Thread Tony Bowden
, mother's maiden name, memorable date / address etc... Tony -- -- Tony Bowden | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.tmtm.com/ The Internet, that thing is still around? --

Re: keyboards

2001-10-26 Thread Tony Bowden
it to the Intellectually Corrupt Marc to rant at this point about other great words from Norn Iron. Tony -- -- Tony Bowden | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.tmtm.com/ si me asesinan, resucitare en el alma del

Re: one for dave (new module)

2001-10-23 Thread Tony Bowden
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Re: My First Module

2001-09-30 Thread Tony Bowden
On Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 12:14:47PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: There is also now a handy web interface to this on pause.perl.org - it still mails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] but it formats it correctly and you dont have to remember all the different options for the various columns in the DLSO or

Re: Film Recommendatio : A Knight's Tale

2001-09-25 Thread Tony Bowden
... Roman Night Film-ish: Spartacus, Gladiator, etc. Life of Brian? Tony -- -- Tony Bowden | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.tmtm.com/ si me asesinan, resucitare en el alma del

Re: Friday Morning Fun

2001-09-21 Thread Tony Bowden
about programming skill ... Tony -- -- Tony Bowden | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.tmtm.com/ if more people were screaming then I could relax --

Re: tv

2001-09-19 Thread Tony Bowden
... lets you make lots of nice customisable searches to highlight programmes for you that you might otherwise miss... Tony -- -- Tony Bowden | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.tmtm.com

Re: The best film of all time?

2001-09-18 Thread Tony Bowden
On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 10:45:37PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: I've never seen what people see in this. Here's my top few, in no particular order: Paths to Glory Don't know this one ... Do you mean Paths of Glory? Tony

Re: The best film of all time?

2001-09-17 Thread Tony Bowden
On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 04:41:42PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: One of the godfathers, not sure which Godfather Part I. Obviously. Tony -- -- Tony Bowden | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.tmtm.com/ all history

Re: The best film of all time?

2001-09-17 Thread Tony Bowden
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Re: The best film of all time?

2001-09-17 Thread Tony Bowden
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Re: Big Projects / Variable Backends

2001-07-06 Thread Tony Bowden
On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 10:30:05AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: See http://www.extremeprogramming.org/. It's great. We like it. Anyone else going to XPuniverse? (www.xpuniverse.com) Tony -- -- Tony Bowden | [EMAIL

Re: In Defence of Mysql was Re: Divorcing data storage from businesslogic

2001-07-06 Thread Tony Bowden
On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 11:12:06PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: umm just do show tables; and ... describe $blah; And also show create table $tablename to recreate the create command (which is much easier than trying to piece it together from 'show tables', which IIRC you can't reverse

Re: In Defence of Mysql was Re: Divorcing data storage from businesslogic

2001-07-06 Thread Tony Bowden
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Re: In Defence of Mysql was Re: Divorcing data storage from businesslogic

2001-07-06 Thread Tony Bowden
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