Re: Writing About Perl

2011-10-13 Thread Dave Cross
On 08/23/2011 11:39 AM, Dave Cross wrote: So, purely hypothetically... If a popular Linux magazine had given you the opportunity to write a 3000 word article giving a practical project-based demonstration of how Perl had moved on in the last ten years, what would you do? What would you write

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-10-13 Thread Dave Cross
On 10/13/2011 06:42 PM, Dave Cross wrote: http://dave.org.uk/LXF151.code_perl.pdf Hopefully this goes without saying, but I strongly suspect we'll be far more popular with the people at LXF if we _don't_ spread their copyrighted material all over the internet. Dave...

Writing about Perl FOR WEBDEVS

2011-09-02 Thread Mallory van Achterberg
Hallo all, I've decided to throw this out here since there's plenty of passionate Perl people here. Planning on cross-posting to blogs.perl.org too. I'm on a forum that caters mainly to web developers (sitepoint.com/forums) where Perl languishes in a darkened cobwebbed corner for no good reason.

Re: Writing about Perl FOR WEBDEVS

2011-09-02 Thread Leo Lapworth
Hi, On 2 September 2011 10:19, Mallory van Achterberg stommep...@stommepoes.nlwrote: I'm planning on getting some people (anyone who is interested) in writing some mini-articles about things where Perl benefits web developers (things like Plack, frameworks, not so much mail servers and

Re: Writing about Perl FOR WEBDEVS

2011-09-02 Thread Mallory van Achterberg
Leo, I LOVE the Plack talk that went with those slides. As someone who does no Perl, they were awesome, they made sense, and they were exciting. Would love something that brought text to that, and selected slides added as images/references. Also love that those diagrams show many other Perl

Re: Writing about Perl FOR WEBDEVS

2011-09-02 Thread Peter Edwards
On 2 September 2011 11:57, Mallory van Achterberg stommep...@stommepoes.nlwrote: Leo, I LOVE the Plack talk that went with those slides. As someone who does no Perl, they were awesome, they made sense, and they were exciting. That's why I suggested a Plack / Dancer app for Dave Cross'

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-24 Thread Hernan Lopes
And dont forget to say what is cpan.. 22000 modules email of developers automated tests for every module released on all platforms win/linux/mac/freebsd/solars easy to search module.. type in 'google' to search google modules, type in twitter for twitter modules nice documentation for the modules,

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-24 Thread Hernan Lopes
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 5:31 AM, Hernan Lopes hernanlo...@gmail.com wrote: And dont forget to say what is cpan.. 22000 modules email of developers automated tests for every module released on all platforms win/linux/mac/freebsd/solars ( with reports generated sent to developer email.. so he

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-24 Thread Kieren Diment
Writing about perl is like dancing about architecture. With apologies to Thelonious Monk. On 24/08/2011, at 6:31 PM, Hernan Lopes wrote: And dont forget to say what is cpan.. 22000 modules email of developers automated tests for every module released on all platforms win/linux/mac/freebsd

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-24 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
Kieren == Kieren Diment dim...@gmail.com writes: Kieren Writing about perl is like dancing about architecture. I dunno. It's been an enabler for pretty good living for a few of us. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 mer...@stonehenge.com URL:http

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-24 Thread Mallory van Achterberg
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 05:05:35PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 12:59:42PM +0200, Job van Achterberg wrote: On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 11:39 +0100, Dave Cross wrote: So, purely hypothetically... If a popular Linux magazine had given you the opportunity to write a

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-24 Thread Mallory van Achterberg
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 01:45:58PM +0200, Abigail wrote: On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 12:24:05PM +0100, Pete Smith top-posted: I think that devs are interested in tools that let them get things up and running with little effort, so perhaps an article explaining how easy it is to use

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-24 Thread Kieren Diment
On 25/08/2011, at 12:09 AM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Kieren == Kieren Diment dim...@gmail.com writes: Kieren Writing about perl is like dancing about architecture. I dunno. It's been an enabler for pretty good living for a few of us. Yes, I should have put facetious tags around the my

Writing About Perl

2011-08-23 Thread Dave Cross
So, purely hypothetically... If a popular Linux magazine had given you the opportunity to write a 3000 word article giving a practical project-based demonstration of how Perl had moved on in the last ten years, what would you do? What would you write about? Cheers, Dave...

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-23 Thread Peter Sergeant
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Dave Cross d...@dave.org.uk wrote: So, purely hypothetically... If a popular Linux magazine had given you the opportunity to write a 3000 word article giving a practical project-based demonstration of how Perl had moved on in the last ten years, what would

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-23 Thread Job van Achterberg
Developments in Moose, modern web frameworks, influences of Perl 6? On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 11:39 +0100, Dave Cross wrote: So, purely hypothetically... If a popular Linux magazine had given you the opportunity to write a 3000 word article giving a practical project-based demonstration of

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-23 Thread Abigail
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:57:49AM +0100, Peter Sergeant wrote: On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Dave Cross d...@dave.org.uk wrote: So, purely hypothetically... If a popular Linux magazine had given you the opportunity to write a 3000 word article giving a practical project-based

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-23 Thread Pete Smith
I think that devs are interested in tools that let them get things up and running with little effort, so perhaps an article explaining how easy it is to use catalyst/dancer/mojo + dbic + plack (with a bit of moose thrown in) using distro packages (cpan probably frustrates newbies to perl if

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-23 Thread Peter Edwards
On 23 August 2011 12:24, Pete Smith p...@cubabit.net wrote: I think that devs are interested in tools that let them get things up and running with little effort, so perhaps an article explaining how easy it is to use catalyst/dancer/mojo + dbic + plack (with a bit of moose thrown in) using

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-23 Thread Marco Fontani
I agree. Show how to write a web service running on Dotcloud using Dancer . Making use of modules from CPAN, which make it even easier to get stuff done? Sawyer created a small presentation after a joke site I created, to showcase that exact thing:

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-23 Thread Abigail
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 12:24:05PM +0100, Pete Smith top-posted: I think that devs are interested in tools that let them get things up and running with little effort, so perhaps an article explaining how easy it is to use catalyst/dancer/mojo + dbic + plack (with a bit of moose thrown

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-23 Thread Jason Clifford
On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 11:39 +0100, Dave Cross wrote: So, purely hypothetically... If a popular Linux magazine had given you the opportunity to write a 3000 word article giving a practical project-based demonstration of how Perl had moved on in the last ten years, what would you do? What

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-23 Thread Simon Cozens
On 23/08/2011 19:39, Dave Cross wrote: If a popular Linux magazine had given you the opportunity to write a 3000 word article giving a practical project-based demonstration of how Perl had moved on in the last ten years, what would you do? What would you write about? What's changed in the past

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-23 Thread Peter Corlett
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:39:57AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: [...] If a popular Linux magazine had given you the opportunity to write a 3000 word article giving a practical project-based demonstration of how Perl had moved on in the last ten years, what would you do? What would you write about?

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-23 Thread Matt Freake
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Jason Clifford ja...@ukfsn.org wrote: On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 11:39 +0100, Dave Cross wrote: So, purely hypothetically... If a popular Linux magazine had given you the opportunity to write a 3000 word article giving a practical project-based demonstration

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-23 Thread Smylers
Pete Smith writes: using distro packages (cpan probably frustrates newbies to perl if installation / tests fail) ... I'd say the opposite, that cpanm is one of the major highlights of recent developments in Perl. Somebody who's previously been frustrated by installing Cpan modules can be

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-23 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
So there's three articles: 1. Mashups using CPAN modules 2. Modern perl, Moose, DBIC 3. Cool scaffold On 23 Aug 2011, at 13:27, Smylers wrote: Pete Smith writes: using distro packages (cpan probably frustrates newbies to perl if installation / tests fail) ... I'd say the opposite, that

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-23 Thread Zbigniew Łukasiak
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Simon Cozens si...@simon-cozens.orgwrote: On 23/08/2011 19:39, Dave Cross wrote: If a popular Linux magazine had given you the opportunity to write a 3000 word article giving a practical project-based demonstration of how Perl had moved on in the last ten

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-23 Thread Pete Smith
On 23/08/11 12:45, Abigail wrote: So, the point of the assignment (which is to show how Perl has moved on in the last 10 years) is going to be after 10 years, we now can do what Ruby on Rails can? Hey, don't take it so literally. My point was that being easy to get up and running is what made

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-23 Thread Dermot
If a popular Linux magazine had given you the opportunity to write a 3000 word article giving a practical project-based demonstration of how Perl had moved on in the last ten years, what would you do? What would you write about? I was really impressed by the AutoCRUD but as someone's pointed

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-23 Thread Mark Fowler
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Dave Cross d...@dave.org.uk wrote: If a popular Linux magazine had given you the opportunity to write a 3000 word article giving a practical project-based demonstration of how Perl had moved on in the last ten years, what would you do? I'd sit down and

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-23 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 13:59, Pete Smith p...@cubabit.net wrote: Hey, don't take it so literally. My point was that being easy to get up and running is what made RoR so popular. As it did PHP before that...

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-23 Thread Dave Cross
Quoting Smylers smyl...@stripey.com: Pete Smith writes: using distro packages (cpan probably frustrates newbies to perl if installation / tests fail) ... I'd say the opposite, that cpanm is one of the major highlights of recent developments in Perl. Somebody who's previously been frustrated

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-23 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Sent from my iPhone On 23 Aug 2011, at 15:25, Dave Cross d...@dave.org.uk wrote: Quoting Smylers smyl...@stripey.com: Pete Smith writes: using distro packages (cpan probably frustrates newbies to perl if installation / tests fail) ... I'd say the opposite, that cpanm is one of the

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-23 Thread Steve Mynott
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:39:57AM +0100, Dave Cross typed: If a popular Linux magazine had given you the opportunity to write a 3000 word article giving a practical project-based demonstration of how Perl had moved on in the last ten years, what would you do? What would you write about?

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-23 Thread Salve J Nilsen
Dave Cross said: So, purely hypothetically... If a popular Linux magazine had given you the opportunity to write a 3000 word article giving a practical project-based demonstration of how Perl had moved on in the last ten years, what would you do? What would you write about? fantasy_mode

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-23 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 12:59:42PM +0200, Job van Achterberg wrote: On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 11:39 +0100, Dave Cross wrote: So, purely hypothetically... If a popular Linux magazine had given you the opportunity to write a 3000 word article giving a practical project-based demonstration of

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-23 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 03:25:25PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: And most distros are far better at tracking newer versions of interesting CPAN modules these days. So I can't really see it being a problem. I'm not sure they do a good job of tracking *interesting* modules. They might track

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-23 Thread Leo Lapworth
On 23 August 2011 13:02, Simon Cozens si...@simon-cozens.org wrote: On 23/08/2011 19:39, Dave Cross wrote: If a popular Linux magazine had given you the opportunity to write a 3000 word article giving a practical project-based demonstration of how Perl had moved on in the last ten years,

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-23 Thread Mark Fowler
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Salve J Nilsen sjn-london...@pvv.org wrote: I'd perhaps say that TIMTOWTDI has resulted in years of experimenting and trying and failing and learning, leading to a CPAN and a Perl community that is better and stronger than ever. John Siracusa makes some good

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-23 Thread Dave Cross
Quoting Leo Lapworth l...@cuckoo.org: On 23 August 2011 13:02, Simon Cozens si...@simon-cozens.org wrote: On 23/08/2011 19:39, Dave Cross wrote: If a popular Linux magazine had given you the opportunity to write a 3000 word article giving a practical project-based demonstration of how

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-23 Thread Leo Lapworth
On 23/08/2011 19:39, Dave Cross wrote: If a popular Linux magazine had given you the opportunity to write a 3000 word article giving a practical project-based demonstration of how Perl had moved on in the last ten years, what would you do? What would you write about? That means it

Re: Writing About Perl

2011-08-23 Thread Peter Edwards
On 23 August 2011 18:11, Leo Lapworth l...@cuckoo.org wrote: Installing / using / extending Domm's App::Timetracker ( https://metacpan.org/release/App-TimeTracker) might make an interesting article. He gave a talk about it at YAPC::EU http://yapceurope.lv/ye2011/talk/3391(slides: