, that would be a foo-foo drink here.
Although I drink berry-flavored ales, so I guess I can't disburse the
blame much. :) At least they don't have small umbrellas in them.
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If it isn't, DON'T QUOTE IT.
So there's never a reason to top-quote. Except to demonstrate what a
lazy bast*rd the poster is.
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in some of the potholes in the roadway of your education.
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interested in communicating with
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Newton, Randal(?
Newton, think he unsubbed again, ... more?)
No... I'm still here. But I was on a couple of cruises in the past
month, so my optional email reading became *very* optional.
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Simon For the last few people out there who don't read The Onion
I don't read the onion because nearly everything that is truly funny
there has the URL forwarded to me on lists like this. :)
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... cursed. {grin}
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in the world, because of a contract that said that Westgate had to
carry SW until revenues fell below a threshold. It never did. :)
Thus, I saw SW (not SW IV) in the theatre more times than I could
count. I think I lost track around 60-ish times.
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pdcawley You bastard! You'll have a great time. I did.
You can always go again. I'm doing that. :)
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right there!
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(and use operations) at compilation time, as they must. :)
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day.
Paul I'm sure Randal could expound on this point.
All too well. And I presume you've heard the final chapter in my
personal story on this:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fors-announce/message/20
And although it's over for me, I will continue to fight the good fight.
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One thing to bear in mind is that while rsync -a does
preserve permission bits, it does *not* preserve owner
and group information.
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believe that from personal experience.
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all who enter here. It
was the minimize screen update when things change section, ala
Curses.
Scary that the guy who wrote that code is now in charge of Java. :)
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Paul Notoriety in English has a negative connotation. Fame has a positive
Paul connotation and also lies at the extreme, rather than the neutrality of
Paul well-known-ness.
Some of us are both notorious *and* famous. :)
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Alex How can the education and certification model of the Open University
Alex be applied to Perl?
It can't. See http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=141518.
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20 minutes with a good layout program and certify yourself,
or buy one of the joke ones at the next TPC or YAPC.
Really.
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, and the respect of the
other senior Perl developers and cheerleaders.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?
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to speak :)
Greg This is what i heard as well. Randal are we both horribly mistaken? It
Greg could happen as I think Dave and I heard this factoid at the same
Greg time.
That's a separate issue, although with a collided word. That's not to
what I am referring.
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, or it isn't. It won't blessed, so it might
as well come off your own printer.
What am I missing?
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name just yesterday in class on my OSX box.
$ mkdir fred
barney; cd fred
barney; pwd
Works just fine. I didn't look to see what the Finder would do with
that, however. :)
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if they
happened to have a space in the volume name (which nearly everyone I
know does).
Whitespace happens. Be prepared for it, or you will get bitten badly,
not a matter of if, but WHEN.
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with
Newton, Perl mongers both IRL and on a mailing list, etc. etc.
Unless you consider it your job, or (gasp) your life. :)
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use iCab as my primary browser. It's still sluggish on some things,
and I'm not sure why. And there are times when it freaks out, so I have
IE handy as well.
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Perl
Dave == Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dave Thanks, just checked it out.
Dave File must be in Microsoft Word format
Send them a plain text file and say Microsoft Word has no problems
reading this.
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Perl is open source, it's not excluded by that last phrase. So,
you could do all the work in Perl, perhaps with C++ wrappers to link
to their code. You just need to give build instructions for Perl,
etc.
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[EMAIL
Newton, == Newton, Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Newton, Greg McCarroll wrote:
i count 19 trouble makers out of 22, and no i didn't count
myself ;-)
Newton, /me smiles innocently
Good thing I didn't put myself on that list publicly. :)
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, if you did ssh -z. Makes X on a dialup barely useable
instead of completely unusable.
the No need to set environment variables (or xhost allow,
the iirc) as ssh takes care of most of that stuff.
Yes. ssh rocks.
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Jonathan == Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Jonathan I would also be interested in a single file pure perl XML parser.
XML::Parser::Lite fails for ... what reason?
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Rob == Rob Partington [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Rob In message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randal L. Schwartz) writes:
Otherwise, { not ref($foo) or UNIVERSAL::isa($foo,IO::File) } will
tell if it is openable.
Rob That fails for things like IO::Scalar, doesn't it?
Rob
, and handle it exceptionally. This is
the One True Object Way.
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is_strictly_filehandle {
ref $_[0] # not string
and UNIVERSAL::isa($_[0], IO::Handle);
}
I think that's a lot easier to understand than your mess.
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are.
Of course, like everything on the web, people do what they find works
on this particular implementation, and ignore the standards. Which
means it all breaks in the next release. {Sigh}
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::object1 new);
use autouse qw(Report::object2 new);
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My autouse method does that.
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Randal == Randal L Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Randal my %objects;
Randal for my $class (qw(Report::object1 Report::object2)) {
Randal require autouse;
Randal autouse-import($class, new);
gah... that's $class, $class\::new;
Randal $objects{$class} = $class
. This would have
Tony : interested me. This sort of stuff doesn't...
Right. What does that *mean* to *you*? What session titles would you
have said damn, I really gotta convince my boss to let me go this
year?
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of experience
with Template at etoys.com et seq) counter by saying the caching at
the HTML level is wrong... you should cache the input data and the
full page views. I'm beginning to see their point.
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split to @_ deprecated).
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on the word big in that sentence...
:-)
What do you think of the new www.stonehenge.com look? Many thanks
to Andy and TT2 for making me look like I'm an actual web hacker. :)
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David == David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
David The Christopher Lee impersonator they got was fantastic too.
I thought that was merely a CG effect, like Yoda. On the digital
projection, I kept seeing flicker around his face.
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of that name.) So:
Markmy $foo = { delete = $cgi-param(delete) };
And yes, this is broken.
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Mark == Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Mark On 29 May 2002, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
Mark Fowler wrote:
array context
What the heck is array context?
Mark It's like list context but with all the wrong letters in the first word
Mark due to sudden brain failure of the author.
On re
Leon == Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Leon From now on, I shall be using the two terms interchangably
Leon just to prove my point.
Hey hey. No need to get hostile.
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{
my($email, $orig_email) = @_;
my($address) = $email-format;
return qq|a href=mailto:$address;$orig_email/a|;
},
);
$finder-find(\$text);
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at the front door
and cabs don't seem to mind taking you there either.
You won't find much cheaper nearby. I think I put up my friends
at a sleezy motel near the airport and it was still $90/night.
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Paul http://www.raverporn.net/tour/images/sample48.jpg
I'm *sooo* glad that's the third edition.
:-)
Look what you get with a current Llama book instead:
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Randal - Ernie
o/~ rubber duckie, you're the one... o/~
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wheels
is all you ever needed. This inline fad will pass. :)
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running one night a week of roller, from what I saw last time I
was there.
Just another Roller Performance Skater,
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and
skiing snowboarding doesn't try to twist my knees, which is one
motion I no longer can muscle against and yet will basically put me
in some serious injury.
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Perl
.
Watch the keys that are being added to %SEEN. Something is inconsistent
between File::Spec's calculation and File::Find's calculation.
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{ return __PACKAGE__ }
sub ...
A class itself is always a singleton.
If you want subclasses to share the same object, this works fine.
To get subclasses to get their own individual object, change that to:
sub new { return shift }
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but couldn't turn it off, you
moved to a free email address and joined from there.
Maybe that should be the policy here too.
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Thanks... I really appreciate it.
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GDBM_File cannot be installed after the fact.
You'll need to install gdbm, then install Perl. Not the other way
around.
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It finds things in /sw just fine when you do that.
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of troff, and shell, and TCL, and languages which
confuse the level with the meta-level too easily. It was this madness
which Larry avoided with Perl having only one level (or two levels, in
interpolated regexen) of interpretation at most.
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the corresponding left paren, and be done with it.
XML is great for machine-to-machine. For me, XML sucks for
human-to-machine, and is only marginally better at machine-to-human.
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ticketmaster.com before? Oh wait, you're a brit. :)
Paul I suspect more revenue is generated from PHP sites than Perl
Paul sites.
I don't. I suspect PHP runs more hobby sites. I suspect Perl does
more of the e-commerce heavy lifting and pretty-lifting.
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hardware, you need mod_perl. But that's not
what was said here.
S Just my $0.02, this isn't intended as a flame.
Pay closer attention to context next time, please.
That's not a flame either. That's just a whack upside the head.
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Why not allow (embedded) whitespace, punctuation, and so on?
BasicAuth with htpasswd files would break.
Otherwise, they're really a lot more flexible. But just try
doing tech support with 31337D#d3 as a username. :)
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Distiller?.
Distiller can be approximated by Ghostscript.
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a DVD of your presentation?
I gave someone on #perl that task... it would put RMS in a double bind.
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to that PHP application
are PHP, not yours? Stacking templating engines will lead to nightmares,
anyway. :)
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code
or open curlies or close curlies.
eval $string is almost Always the Wrong Way to do things.
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Jasper == Jasper McCrea [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Jasper $h = { $_ = $h || {} } for reverse @r;
Autovivification makes the || {} mostly unnecessary.
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Perl
a grownup language like Perl, use a grownup
opensource database - PostgreSQL.
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in the desired direction!
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Lusercop == Lusercop `the.lusercop'@lusercop.net writes:
Lusercop In a parallel to UINE, EINI.
I don't get either of those.
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will be warming up to this idea.
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{$code} = [ $_ ];
TSchutzerWeissmann yup, [ ] was what I was looking for.
But not needed. See my other post.
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{$code} } , $_;
Luis }else{
Luis # First time for this array ref...
Luis $seen{$code} = [ $_ ];
Luis }
Luis }
No, wrong, absolutely *not* needed, thanks to autovivification.
See google site:stonehenge.com autovivification for further info.
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Greg == Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Greg (sorry folks that should have been a private email)
Yeah, doesn't it suck when a list sets a reply-to?
... http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
Please fix this.
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Paul == Paul Makepeace [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Paul ... is where you keep warez, pr0n and rootkits.
No, I use . for that. Or maybe .\n :)
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Perl/Unix
-to-nntp gateway for a column. I won't offend
y'all by including the precise URL or instructions on how to search
for it. :)
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Struan == Struan Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Struan So, is just missing out the line the way forward or is there an
Struan approved idiom that escapes my google foo?
Put -w on the command line. Works all the way back to Perl 2.000
:-)
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, and you don't have it?
I think that was introduced in 5.6, so you are probably running 5.5.
Upgrade your Perl to something introduced within the last two years.
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) }; # presuming SYS_exit is 1
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you don't want $r-pathinfo (which won't be set during trans). you
want $r-uri, which will be something like /THISBITHERE.
Then again, it's early here, so this could all be wrong. :)
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Andy == Andy Wardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Andy So who is going to be at OSCON?
oscon.kwiki.org/index.cgi?Attendees
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And then OSCON invited him to be a full attendee.
And yes, he's learning Perl. He's up to chapter 4 of the llama.
He also mentioned me on his audioblog -
http://www.audblog.com/media/5496/17930.mp3
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Alex == Alex Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Alex I have had a look at your archives and can't see much reference to
Alex this, and wonder if there are any users of the perl in Mac OSX out
Alex there?
They probably number in the thousands, these days. What's your real
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);
If your db doesn't offer subselects, you've got to create a temp table.
(And people who use MySQL wonder what the value of subselects are! :)
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system only as good as it resembles Unix in my opinion).
In the Old Days of Unix, dot was in path, and people figured out how
to exploit that, so no person who is seriously concerned about
security includes it any more.
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have been written that
presume MySQL's quirky SQL subset. That'd be the *only* reason in my
mind to go with MySQL over Pg at this point.
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Randal == Randal L Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Randal MySQL is a fine junior SQL engine. But it really doesn't provide a
Randal way to enforce business rules in the engine - that was not its initial
Randal goal. And when data integrity is important, you want to ensure good
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