Re: [lssconf-discuss] Theory vs Practice

2006-10-12 Thread Narayan Desai
Luke == Luke Kanies [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Luke The problem is that there appears to be a split whether we Luke want it or not. The last few workshops have been very Luke frustrating for me, because they haven't really even tried to Luke address how a sysadmin would take advantage of

Re: [lssconf-discuss] Theory vs Practice

2006-10-12 Thread Narayan Desai
Luke == Luke Kanies [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Luke If you integrate it with the configuration generator, then Luke you've got to have a tight semantic bond between the validator Luke and the generator (i.e., it's not enough that the box be a Luke mail server, it must specifically listen

Re: [lssconf-discuss] Theory vs Practice

2006-10-12 Thread Luke Kanies
Narayan Desai wrote: Luke == Luke Kanies [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Luke The problem is that there appears to be a split whether we Luke want it or not. The last few workshops have been very Luke frustrating for me, because they haven't really even tried to Luke address how a sysadmin

Re: [lssconf-discuss] Theory vs Practice

2006-10-12 Thread Luke Kanies
Alva Couch wrote: Luke Kanies wrote: Yes, you could specifically add this functionality to a given tool, but could you create it as a generic component that could be added to any tool? Could you see a single validator that could work with Puppet, cfengine, and BCFG2? You assume that it

Re: [lssconf-discuss] Theory vs Practice

2006-10-12 Thread Daniel Hagerty
Again, I agree no one cares about the abstraction layer, but I am flabbergasted that this is the case. I assume no one cared about portable languages when C and libC were developed either; I know I don't have the smarts of Kernighan et al, but I'll keep pushing until I fail or someone

Re: [lssconf-discuss] Theory vs Practice - TAL's presentation?

2006-10-12 Thread Narayan Desai
Brandon == Brandon S Allbery KF8NH [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brandon Luke recently mentioned a presentation by Tom Limoncelli Brandon about why he doesn't do automated configuration management; Brandon does anyone have a pointer to this, or a summary or etc.? Brandon I'm still coming up