May I thank the list for the excellent and informative responses to my
comments on the symbolism and artistry (compared and contrasted as intent)
of the paintings of Holbein's time. And to my comments on the loss of the
lute and other instruments in the Calvinist churches. It is late, and I have
a
I doubt that it was a pipa - they have a really distinctive shape, curved
back, and 4 silk strings. I've seen all of the M.A.S.H. episodes several
times through. I have a vague image in my mind of something that reminded me
of a mandora. I can't really remember though. I may just be
Hello Mike and others,
one remark to the baroque lute tutor of Giesbert.
As far as I know this book is still available at Schott in the original version.
I had bought mine about 5 years ago and there is not the slightest remark that it is a
reprint.
Best
Markus
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From: Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Lute Net [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 23 October 2003 00:39
Subject: Re: Lute as a vanity
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We have been discussing Holbein's Ambassadors of late. The most
significant feature of this painting is the extraordinary skull
At 9:50 AM +0100 23/10/03, Martin Shepherd wrote:
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I have heard it suggested that the painting was originally hung on a
staircase, so that someone standing at the bottom of the stairs (if
it was hung on the left) would see the skull normally and little
else - another aspect of the
Martin Shepherd wrote:
In the Ambassadors the lute has the normal arrangement of octaves - it was the Berlin
painting which seemed to show the upper octave on the bass side.
This is not directly lute-related, but the lower double-strung course
(G) of
18th-century Neapolitan mandolins are
Dear All,
The Holbein 's ambassadors painting is considered a typical memento mori
and the special tecnique with different perspectives is called
anamorphosis .
what Martin Sheperd says about the picture hung on a staircase is
interesting: a famous art expert, Federico Zeri, wrote that on the
Excuse me if I'm raising an already-discussed subject.
Are there any good-sounding old lutes? Or do lutes inevitably decay, like
fallen trees in ancient forests?
Hi Herb,
I don't think there are any playable old (i.e. Renaissance) lutes.
Over time (centuries, I mean) when stored in normal room conditions,
the wood would dry out and become brittle and glue joints would
weaken. Since both wood and hide glue are organic materials, they
are also subject to
Yesterday I was so happy to attend a performance
of L'incoronazione di Poppea in the Hamburgische Staatsoper. Maybe the
music did only survive in melody plus bass line (even without
b.c. ciphers), maybe it's not composed by Monteverdi but by 27
other people - but it is fantastic.
Very good
At 11:41 PM 10/22/2003 +0300, Arto Wikla wrote:
Dear Caroline and all,
on Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Caroline Usher wrote:
If it was contrapuntal music that was considered objectionable, then
what about all the contrapuntal music for organ or for choir? I seem to
remember a very prolific composer
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From: David Van Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: 23 October 2003 16:39
Subject: Re: Lute as a vanity
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You are right to remark on the extreme thinness of the strings of the
Berlin painting, it looks
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From: Herbert Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 23 October 2003 19:48
Subject: How long can a lute last?
Excuse me if I'm raising an already-discussed subject.
Are there any good-sounding old lutes? Or do lutes inevitably decay, like
Martin Shepherd wrote:
But as with wine, no amount of age will turn an indifferent one into a good one.
I've found that with wine, many an indifferent one has been turned into
a good one.
Tim Kuntz
Hi Herbert:
I can only speak from personal experience. A friend and myself made a
series of Lutes almost 30 years ago, I have two of them, one I am in the
process of rebuilding and the other I am still playing. I have heard of an
artist or two making recordings on Ancient Lutes and they still
This was posted to the musicology list, and may be of interest in light of
our recent discussions. I forgot to mention that there was a cponference
at NYU a few years back titled Thr Mu$ic Bu$ine$$ in the 18th Century.
John Kmetz organized it, but I had to leave before the interting paper on
the
From an old Chinese poem:
When the lute player strikes his string,
He injures the perfect music.
Gary Digman
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From: Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 02:50:45 +0900
To: lute list
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Jon Murphy write:
You are both right and wrong. It wasn't the lute per se that was
considered ungodly in the reformation, it was all music of the Catholic
liturgy.
ajnThere is little evidence of the use of lute in the Roman Rite. For
example, pictures of services seldom show a lute. But
Dear All;
Maybe the lute died out, as most small voiced (soft) instruments did (viola da
gamba, plucked keyboards, etc.), in the 18th cent. because the wealthy Europeans
turned from music and dancing to pass the time to gambling and thus ceased maintaining
musicians as part of their
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