[BAROQUE-LUTE] Letter to the Editor

2008-03-03 Thread David Rastall
On Mar 2, 2008, at 9:36 PM, Stephen Arndt wrote: For those of us who don't have (and who have never had) teachers, this is a great way to learn. Stephen's comment brings to mind something I have been thinking about for some time: how many of us in the lute world can claim to have

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Letter to the Editor

2008-03-03 Thread howard posner
On Mar 3, 2008, at 7:27 AM, Rob MacKillop wrote: How much did lute players learn about music (not just lute playing) in the Renaissance and Baroque periods? They learned what other musicians learned, and were educated in the same ways. In the renaissance, they'd learn singing, the

[LUTE] Re: Ode for St Cecilia's Day

2008-03-03 Thread Peter Martin
Original lute music by Handel and Mozart on the same day! What a thrill! How disappointing to look at the Neue Mozart Ausgabe ( http://dme.mozarteum.at/DME/nma/start.php?l=) and discover that the Mozart lute cadenza is crossed out in the manuscript and that 'it remains uncertain whether it is by

[LUTE] Re: Letter to the Editor

2008-03-03 Thread Rob MacKillop
Good email, David. I had four lute lessons, two from Jacob Lindberg, two from David Miller. Learned enough to realise that these guys could play better than they could teach. Been stumbling on my own for years now. Made my own mistakes. Found my own voice (for better or worse). I think it would

[LUTE] Re: Amateur recordings

2008-03-03 Thread David Rastall
On Mar 3, 2008, at 5:16 AM, Rob MacKillop wrote: ...Gesture is important in all music, be it blues, jazz, or French Baroque, and I feel that composers did not notate it simply because it was hard to capture on paper without performers making it sound too automated, Much like swing in

[LUTE] Lute Bream Rubio?

2008-03-03 Thread Anthony Hind
Dear Lutists One small advantage of playing withouth the RH little finger on the lute belly, is a perfectly clean lute with absolutely no trace on the soundboard. http://www.theguitarsalon.com/guitars/Rubio_1967Lute.html This is a pity, if like me you hope to study the trace of lutists

[LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio?

2008-03-03 Thread David Rastall
Looks like it's in excellent condition. I've never seen an 8-course with a treble rider and both 1st and 2nd single strings. David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mar 3, 2008, at 2:57 PM, Anthony Hind wrote: Dear Lutists One small advantage of playing withouth the RH little finger on

[LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio?

2008-03-03 Thread Guy Smith
My old Steiner furniture lute had a similar treble rider, and I've seen them on other instruments of that type and vintage. Perhaps they got the idea from the Bream instrument. It had only seven courses and a single chanterelle, though. Guy -Original Message- From: David Rastall

[LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio?

2008-03-03 Thread vance wood
No one has mentioned, though I suppose some have noticed, it has metal frets. Typical of Lutes before the advent of traditional historically accurate instruments. When I went to Oakland University the school owned a Rubio and it was a dog musically. This was in the mid 70's and apparently

[LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio?

2008-03-03 Thread Anthony Hind
Roger Traversac on the French lute list said he bought almost the same Rubio lute for 3000 francs (448 Euro ) in 1997/1999. It was on sale through the magazine Les cahiers de la guitare. Anthony Le 3 mars 08 =E0 22:05, David Rastall a ecrit : Looks like it's in excellent condition. I've

[LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio?

2008-03-03 Thread David Rastall
On Mar 3, 2008, at 4:24 PM, vance wood wrote: No one has mentioned, though I suppose some have noticed, it has metal frets. Hi Vance, Yes I noticed the frets. As soon as I saw the back of the neck I said, what's wrong with this picture? I like Rubio's monogram BTW. DR [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio?

2008-03-03 Thread vance wood
No one can argue that this is not a beautiful instrument, and if Bream owned it I am sure it has a wonderful sound, if not a bit Guitar like. - Original Message - From: David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vance wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday,

[LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio?

2008-03-03 Thread Dante Ferrara
On 3/3/08 19:57, Anthony Hind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Lutists One small advantage of playing withouth the RH little finger on the lute belly, is a perfectly clean lute with absolutely no trace on the soundboard. http://www.theguitarsalon.com/guitars/Rubio_1967Lute.html This is a pity,

[LUTE] Re: Letter to the Editor

2008-03-03 Thread David Rastall
On Mar 3, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Rob MacKillop wrote: I think it would be a shame if we started to emulate classical guitar pedagogy. Every year there are AMAZING guitarists coming out of these institutions, far more than we ever hear about. There is no work for 99.99per cent of them. Most of the

[LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio?

2008-03-03 Thread Steve Ramey
- Original Message From: David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vance wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 5:35:33 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio? On Mar 3, 2008, at 4:24 PM, vance wood wrote: No one has mentioned,

[LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio?

2008-03-03 Thread Steve Ramey
Pushed the button way too soon on my last post. Sorry! What I meant to say was-- A couple other guitar-like qualities include the classical guitar-like bridge, complete with saddle raised toward the bass end, the fingerboard height is actually above the level of the belly, and to my eye,

[LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio?

2008-03-03 Thread Anthony Hind
Perhaps it was guitar size. Lute makers are constantly telling us that 60cm lutes as standard are well below the size of standard guitars. Another point noted, the first two single strings, obviously do appear on 11c lutes, and also we often compromise on the 9c type lute that frequently did