[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bloody French

2008-05-01 Thread Duncan Midwinter
More or less this is what it says... It has already been a long time since excellent lutes were built in Bologna, and maybe for their long shape similar to a pear that make them sweet, maybe for their wide ribs? that make them harmonious, anyway, for their goodness they were kept in high

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bloody French

2008-05-01 Thread Gernot Hilger
Dear any Italian speakers on this list, Not quite, but I try nevertheless. Since many years finest quality lutes are made in Bologna. They were made longish, pear-shaped, broad ribbed to sound as well sweet as harmonious. (I don't quite understand the l'uno/l'altro thing here, so I'm not

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bloody French

2008-05-01 Thread Gernot Hilger
Duncan, you are right about the l'uno/l'altro part. Thank you! Another version: Since many years finest quality lutes were made in Bologna. Whether it is because of their longish shape similar to a pear, or perhaps because of their wide ribs, one of which made their sound sweet, the

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bloody French

2008-05-01 Thread Benjamin Narvey
Dear Gernot and Duncan, Thank you both SO MUCH for your help; I was able to get the gist of it, but I really wanted to know more precisely what was being said - or rather, more precisely what it was that I was misunderstanding Unfortunately, in the LS journal translation by Stanley Buetens,

[LUTE] theorbo in Spain?

2008-05-01 Thread Rob MacKillop
What evidence is there for the theorbo being used in Spain? Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] NY Times article on oud-making in Iraq

2008-05-01 Thread TJ Sellari
There's an article on oud-making in Iraq here: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/01/world/middleeast/01oud.html?_r=1hporef=slogin Tom To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Wedding Music

2008-05-01 Thread Martin Shepherd
La Nopce de Gallot - Barbe MS p.85 Rob will provide the reference, I'm sure, but isn't there a piece of Scottish lute music called haste to the wedding? Both rather short, I'm afraid - too much haste. Martin To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: new piece of the month

2008-05-01 Thread Ron Andrico
Dear Rob: Sorry for the delay in response to your comments. I wish I had more time. I'll try to offer some clarity to my prior post. 1. How can you say that you 'can state this without reservation' that 'everyone in the sixteenth century who was fortunate enough to lay hands on a lute

[LUTE] Re: OT: Torture and c-camps

2008-05-01 Thread G. Crona
Dear Arto, kindly contribute instead at: http://www.politicalforum.com/ Best Wishes G. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 1:31 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: OT: Torture and c-camps On 5/1/2008, Gernot

[LUTE] Re: theorbo in Spain?

2008-05-01 Thread Monica Hall
Not much - but there are some references to the instrument being used as a continuo instrument by wealthier establishments. There is an article on the subject by Francisco Valdivia in the Sociedad de la Vihuela's journal Hispanica lyre - in Spanish of course. Monica - Original Message

[LUTE] Re: theorbo in Spain?

2008-05-01 Thread Manolo Laguillo
In the DICCIONARIO DE INSTRUMENTOS MUSICALES, Barcelona 2001, under 'tiorba', the author of it, Ramón Andrés, after mentioning an inventar of possesions of Felipe II, the king of Spain, where two theorbos figure, he tells that culteran poets employed it in its poems because it was considered

[LUTE] Re: new piece of the month

2008-05-01 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Ron, Just a short note in support of your point: as I am sure you will remember, the lute instructions in the Petrucci prints are entitled 'Regole per quelli che non sanno cantare' - i.e. for those who don't know how to sing. Petrucci and his lutenist contributors clearly expected to sell

[LUTE] Re: theorbo in Spain?

2008-05-01 Thread Rob MacKillop
Thanks to Manolo and Monica. The answer seems to be 'not much'. Mainly viols, keyboards and guitars for continuo. I suppose the same in Portugal. Rob 2008/5/1 Manolo Laguillo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In the DICCIONARIO DE INSTRUMENTOS MUSICALES, Barcelona 2001, under 'tiorba', the author of it,

[LUTE] Re: new piece of the month

2008-05-01 Thread Roman Turovsky
Or exactly the opposite- that the ability to sing was far from prevalent. RT - Original Message - From: Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:46 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: new piece of the month Dear Ron, Just a short note in support

[LUTE] Re: new piece of the month

2008-05-01 Thread Ron Andrico
To All: Without getting too tedious or serious about this subject, it seems people are missing a major point: Everyone who was educated in the 16th century was educated in music. It was one of the seven liberal arts (among the quadrivium of sciences), and the practice of music was _not_

[LUTE] Re: new piece of the month

2008-05-01 Thread Mark Wheeler
Dear Ron, To play the devil's advocate.. I doubt if music for the average 21st century teenager is any less important than it was in 15??. I don't think they would see it as merely an extra. All the best Mark -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Ron Andrico [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[LUTE] Re: gnu piece of the month

2008-05-01 Thread howard posner
On May 1, 2008, at 9:50 AM, Mark Wheeler wrote: To play the devil's advocate.. I doubt if music for the average 21st century teenager is any less important than it was in 15??. I don't think they would see it as merely an extra. Ron's point is that everyone in some levels of

[LUTE] Re: new piece of the month

2008-05-01 Thread Peter Nightingale
On Thu, 1 May 2008, The Other wrote: What ever happened for the quest to sing/play the one perfect note? Or maybe that's a modern quest. Just musing... The Other Stephen Stubbs Even today Ned Rorem tried; one note just does not cut it. Besides, the main problem with a lute is that it

[LUTE] Re: gnu piece of the month

2008-05-01 Thread Mark Wheeler
Dear Howard, There certainly is a difference, but I still find the words merely consume to be a somewhat degrading term for other peoples musical experience. My problem was with the following passage... Music was even more important 500 years ago, only it was played by real people as a part of

[LUTE] Re: gnu piece of the month

2008-05-01 Thread chriswilke
Mark, --- On Thu, 5/1/08, Mark Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My problem was with the following passage... Music was even more important 500 years ago, only it was played by real people as a part of daily life. I am not sure how we can say music was more important 500 years ago. But art

[LUTE] Re: gnu piece of the month

2008-05-01 Thread Roman Turovsky
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My problem was with the following passage... Music was even more important 500 years ago, only it was played by real people as a part of daily life. I am not sure how we can say music was more important 500 years ago. This is why we have philosophers and other great

[LUTE] Re: new piece of the month

2008-05-01 Thread Ron Fletcher
Mark wrote... Even today Ned Rorem tried; one note just does not cut it. Besides, the main problem with a lute is that it lacks a leg that shines. Are we leading on to the cello-pin thread again? Best Wishes Ron (UK) To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: gnu piece of the month

2008-05-01 Thread Mark Wheeler
Wow Chris it seems you are a real 19th century man, all these nice simple compartments for music - Art Music, Folk Music etc I personally don't think that any of these compartments work for music from the 16th century or for music of the 21st century. I find your criticisms of rock music

[LUTE] Re: new piece of the month

2008-05-01 Thread Ron Fletcher
Sorry, I should have attributed this to Peter N. Even today Ned Rorem tried; one note just does not cut it. Besides, the main problem with a lute is that it lacks a leg that shines. Are we leading on to the cello-pin thread again with this one? Best Wishes Ron (UK) To get on or off this

[LUTE] Kind of explanatiom?

2008-05-01 Thread wikla
Dear lutenists, the eve of 1st May is kind of party day here north. My mails about the torture by the US of A. was affected by that fact. I do really know that the possible crimes of the US government really have nothing to do with the lute list! So my sincere apologies for my mis-use of the

[LUTE] Re: OT: Torture and c-camps

2008-05-01 Thread wikla
On 5/1/2008, G. Crona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Arto, kindly contribute instead at: http://www.politicalforum.com/ Best Wishes Dear Goran (and the dear List), thanks for the idea, but here in the Lute List I am talking with my friends, many of them are friends for nearly 20

[LUTE] Re: Kind of explanatiom?

2008-05-01 Thread vance wood
In other words; I'm sorry I mentioned it but as long as I did let me add a few more faggots to the fire. Why don't you just stop? You have no idea how many people you offend Arto. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008