[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Tombeau for Logy for Theorbo?

2009-08-26 Thread David van Ooijen
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Arto Wiklawi...@cs.helsinki.fi wrote: that transcribing it to other medium would not make justice to the piece. Thanks everybody for all the help. I've told my theorbo-only friend to make his own arrangement, or buy a baroque lute. Slightly off-topic, I must say

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Another enigma: La Cloris by Lully?

2009-08-26 Thread wikla
Dear baroque lutenists, I sent the following to the regular lute list, but (again) perhaps there are some baroque specialists here, who do not read the regular list? Original Message Dear lutenists, another piece by Lully, who knows? Anonymous arr of La Cloris in ms.

[LUTE] Re: [english 100%] Re: Hans NeusiedleRe: Ein Newgeordent Kuenstlich Lautenbuch

2009-08-26 Thread Karl-L. Eggert
Hi all, there are also manuscripts digitalized. Go to Suche [1]http://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/index.html?c=suchenl=de and enter the Stichwort: Mus.ms you'll get a list of all ms. Click at any to see the pics. Karl - Original Message - From: David van Ooijen

[LUTE] Re: Ein Newgeordent Kuenstlich Lautenbuch

2009-08-26 Thread G. Crona
Where you'll also find: Denss Waissel Ochsenkuhn Bakfark + guitar continuo stuff - Original Message - From: Karl-L. Eggert karl.l.egg...@t-online.de To: Lute mailing list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 12:03 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: [english 100%] Re: Hans

[LUTE] Re: Ein Newgeordent Kuenstlich Lautenbuch

2009-08-26 Thread Stuart Walsh
G. Crona wrote: Where you'll also find: Denss Waissel Ochsenkuhn Bakfark + guitar continuo stuff I put in Mus:Ms and could only find some Haydn, Raff and some organ music. What is the guitar stuff? Stuart - Original Message - From: Karl-L. Eggert karl.l.egg...@t-online.de

[LUTE] Re: Ein Newgeordent Kuenstlich Lautenbuch

2009-08-26 Thread G. Crona
Go here Stuart: http://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/index.html?c=faecher_indexbrowsingindex=0l=de where it says alle, choose Schöne Künste and where it says Unterkategorien choose the last entry Musikalien (Notendrucke) and scroll ;) G. - Original Message - From: Stuart Walsh

[LUTE] Re: Ein Newgeordent Kuenstlich Lautenbuch

2009-08-26 Thread G. Crona
PS. there is also a choice for getting the page in english on the left side! - Original Message - From: G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com To: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com Cc: Lute mailing list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:26 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Ein

[LUTE] Re: Ein Newgeordent Kuenstlich Lautenbuch

2009-08-26 Thread Stuart Walsh
G. Crona wrote: Go here Stuart: http://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/index.html?c=faecher_indexbrowsingindex=0l=de where it says alle, choose Schöne Künste and where it says Unterkategorien choose the last entry Musikalien (Notendrucke) and scroll ;) G. Thanks. I'd sorted out the Schöne

[LUTE] Re: Any hints on how to develop improvisational ability?

2009-08-26 Thread Rob MacKillop
Others will go into more detail, but the best advice I can give your daughter is to not worry about making mistakes when learning to improvise. This is especially important to those who have spent all their time trying to play the score 'correctly'. And, yes, I believe EVERYONE can

[LUTE] Re: Edward Martin/who knows?

2009-08-26 Thread Omer Katzir
I Edward, sorry all for the late response. There are few things bothering me with the interpretation, One, it's a technical issue, but there are too many clicks and ticks might be bad recording or something, I don't know if you have other recording with the same issue. Second, the

[LUTE] Re: Any hints on how to develop improvisational ability?

2009-08-26 Thread Nedmast2
Hi Chris, Regarding question 1, I would recommend reading an interview with Paul O'Dette in the most recent issue of Lute Society of Amerca Quaterly (Volume XLIV, No 2). In it, O'Dette is asked what kind of training a person planning a career in lute performing should be looking

[LUTE] Re: Edward Martin/who knows?

2009-08-26 Thread ariel abramovich
Hi Omer, Surely Ed will appreciate that you've taken the time to say a word on his work. I'm of the opinion of defending our musical ideas making music rather than with words, so I won't say much here... About Milán: He doesn't say anything on repeating or not, but he is definitively

[LUTE] Any hints on how to develop improvisational ability?

2009-08-26 Thread Christopher Witmer
It has been quite some time since I posted to the list, but I have two questions for list members. Perhaps these two questions are related . . . I'm not musical enough to say for sure. Question 1. My third daughter, now age 17, has been playing the lute seriously for a few years now, and

[LUTE] Re: Thomas Campion

2009-08-26 Thread Matteo Turri
A great resource to retrieve this kind of documents is the EEBO, Early English Books Online: http://eebo.chadwyck.com/home You can only access it via a Library or an Academic Institution, but is should be pretty easy to register at you local library and gain access to it through their online

[LUTE] Re: Any hints on how to develop improvisational ability?

2009-08-26 Thread demery
Question 1. [improv] you might find more on improv in the archives, it has been discussed here before. My first instrument was voice, followed by guitar, eventually I came to lute. In all of that I was one of those who play by ear. I find it difficult to play from score, if the version of a

[LUTE] Re: Ein Newgeordent Kuenstlich Lautenbuch

2009-08-26 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Try setting the date filter for, say, 1500 - 1600 --- On Wed, 26/8/09, Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: From: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: Ein Newgeordent Kuenstlich Lautenbuch To: G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com Cc: Lute mailing list

[LUTE] Re: Any hints on how to develop improvisational ability?

2009-08-26 Thread Ed Durbrow
As you probably know, if she is going to make a career practicing something foreign in Japan, it is essential that she study abroad in order for her to get the Japanese stamp of approval. Do read that Odette interview. He mentions that continuo and the ability to read notation are

[LUTE] Re: Thomas Campion

2009-08-26 Thread ariel abramovich
Found! Thanks to Matteo, Alfonso and everyone else! Saludos, a To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Gut strings

2009-08-26 Thread Nedmast2
So now I have one lute strung in gut (delightful!) and am wondering what folks do with all the extra string hanging from the peg box (I don't wind much on the pegs and simply trim the extra when using synthetic). If gut tends to break (I haven't had it on long enough to know if

[LUTE] Re: Edward Martin/who knows?

2009-08-26 Thread Antonio Corona
Dear friends More about Milan, I don´t recall the exact quote (I´m not at home at the moment to verify the reference), but Milán does state explicitely that the pavans should be played twice. Thus, there is at least some evidence about the use of repeats by Milan. I agree with Ariel, we

[LUTE] Re: Recording yourself

2009-08-26 Thread Gilbert Isbin
Dear Lutenists Hereby for info Best greetings Gilbert Gilbert Isbin, Three Contemporary Lute Duets For two 6-course lutes, early intermediate level and upwards, in modern yet accessible style, in score and parts, 2 booklets, 24 pp and 8 pp, ISBN 978 0 905655 73 4

[LUTE] Re: Gut strings

2009-08-26 Thread demery
Do you who use gut trim it, leave it, or wind most of it on the pegs to keep things neater? Dont wind on the peg, minimize the windings to enough to hold well. Loose winding dont look much better than dangling hanks (which is what you should do initially). To many risks wedging up

[LUTE] Re: Edward Martin/who knows?

2009-08-26 Thread chriswilke
Omer, I'm not exactly sure what to make of this. On the one hand, I believe in an open discussion of ideas on this list. On the other hand, there are things that perhaps would be better handled in private. A lot of the issues you mentioned below deal with your personal preferences.

[LUTE] Re: Edward Martin/who knows?

2009-08-26 Thread Daniel Winheld
sounds like something by Sting How on earth can Ed sound like Sting, since he sings not a single note on any of his recordings?- And I believe it is Edin Karamazov doing the lute playing on the Sting album; a different Ed altogether. By the way, Milan himself wrote that the Pavans, at any

[LUTE] Re: Thomas Campion

2009-08-26 Thread Charles Browne
ariel abramovich wrote: Dear friends, I'm desperately looking for Thomas Campion 4th books, in any digital format. I bought all others, but the 4th seems to be a bit of a problem to find. Any link to some library files? Thanks in advance! all best, ariel. To get on or off this

[LUTE] Re: Any hints on how to develop improvisational ability?

2009-08-26 Thread Peter Nightingale
An easy method of writing counterpoint: http://www.shipbrook.com/jeff/ See bottom of the page under Miscellaneous Information. Peter. On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, Christopher Witmer wrote: It has been quite some time since I posted to the list, but I have two questions for list members. Perhaps

[LUTE] Re: Edward Martin/who knows?

2009-08-26 Thread Edward Martin
Dear Omer, I received your comments today on the net. I think I have nothing more to add to the responses from Ariel, Antonio, Chris, Rob, or Dan. Perhaps the clicking you hear is the actual sound of gut at the fingertips, as the recording was done in a wonderful, live space. Thanks, ed

[LUTE] Another enigma: La Cloris by Lully?

2009-08-26 Thread wikla
Dear lutenists, another piece by Lully, who knows? Anonymous arr of La Cloris in ms. Res-1106, fol. 12v. I guess the model of this therbo arrangement is a song by Lully, but I have not found the model song yet. If somebody recognises the piece, please, let me know! I've checked Lully's George

[LUTE] Re: Edward Martin/who knows?

2009-08-26 Thread David van Ooijen
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Omer Katzirkome...@gmail.com wrote: One, it's a technical issue, but there are too many clicks and ticks Could be the gut strings you're hearing, they tend to 'speak'. Listen to e.g. Jacob Herringman (also on Magnatune) or Toyohiko Satoh. Or to me. ;-) It can

[LUTE] Re: Gut strings

2009-08-26 Thread Nedmast2
Thanks, Dana. The reasons you mentioned are exactly the ones that occur to me for not winding more string than necessary on the pegs. I'll trim and save the trimmings that may be the right size for frets. (Though I'm beginning to think that frets will last a good deal longer than

[LUTE] Re: Edward Martin/who knows?

2009-08-26 Thread Nedmast2
Though it wasn't meant to be amusing, I got a chuckle out of Rob's response to Omer - really blunt. Coming to this forum from an audio forum, I'm quite used to members responding to others in no-uncertain-terms; to the extent that a moderator occasionally has to step in. But I

[LUTE] Re: Edward Martin/who knows?

2009-08-26 Thread demery
By the way, Milan himself wrote that the Pavans, at any rate, can be repeated- even three times if one wishes. Fantsia is a different beast than a Pavan. Pavan is a dance piece, the size of the room used by the dancers for their procession dictates how much music will be needed, sometimes it

[LUTE] Re: Any hints on how to develop improvisational ability?

2009-08-26 Thread David Tayler
There are specific skills you need to be a professional, these are fairly easy to outline, I have a list somewhere but I'm currently in an Opera production. With all due respect to the great players of France, I don't recommend that as a course of study, although Olivier Baumont and

[LUTE] Re: Edward Martin/who knows?

2009-08-26 Thread Mayes, Joseph
Quite right, Dana, but if memory serves Milan introduces the 6 Pavanas by saying that the next six fantasias are pavanas. The there's the problem of pavans being generally in duple and some of the Milan pavanas are in triple. With deep and abiding respect, Joseph Mayes

[LUTE] pacoloni on youtube

2009-08-26 Thread Doc Rossi
The Bacheler Consort plays Pacoloni : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJa0byWuhpU To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: pacoloni on youtube

2009-08-26 Thread Sean Smith
that was delightful, Doc! I like what the cittern adds to the consort as well. And the furniture does its part too! I've played through a number of things w/ my local citternist and it always wants something more than just a lute. But adding a lute or two more and/or a bass viol