[BAROQUE-LUTE] Strange piece: XXXIX Tanz in ms. Wittgenstein

2011-11-21 Thread wikla
Dear b-lutenists (cc to normal lutenists) Today I tubed an interesting and in some ways strange piece, a Tanz (XXXIX) in ms. Wittgenstein. While the piece is in a way very simple, it is also interestingly strange - I have not analysed it yet, but something nice happens there here and there. And

[LUTE] Re: Buzzing [was Gut strings]

2011-11-21 Thread Daniel Winheld
Some builders will actually set the octave string holes in the bridge down a little lower, closer to the soundboard by a fraction of a millimeter; never tried one of those lutes although seen a few- I've done the pushing and tugging bit and gotten a little more control, it does feel better to

[LUTE] Anonym - Chi scrisse l'armonia II -again

2011-11-21 Thread Anton Höger
Hi, yesterday I offered my new Version of -Anonym - Chi scrisse l'armonia II -- For all of you (only 3 downloads!) please downlod it again, because I have added the Original Version. And I have corrected the Name. Sorry it is not a Frottola it is a Villanelle! (I have thousands

[LUTE] Re: which pavane?

2011-11-21 Thread Hubert Kwisthout
Hi Lex, A great poetic title - thanks. I'll try to locate the music, it a nice piece. Hubert -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Lex van Sante Sent: 20 November 2011 22:28 To: lute mailing list list Subject: [LUTE] Re: which

[LUTE] Re: 6th course on 'baroque' lute [was Gut strings]

2011-11-21 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Monica, Von Radolt's Instructions clearly tell us that he had an octave on the 6th course. Similarly in some of Mouton's tablature (amongst others) the low octave is required to be played and then later the high octave of the same course. See the FoMRHI paper jointly written

[LUTE] Re: Buzzing [was Gut strings]

2011-11-21 Thread Lex van Sante
Begin doorgestuurd bericht: Van: Lex van Sante lvansa...@gmail.com Datum: 21 november 2011 11:39:14 GMT+01:00 Aan: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Onderwerp: Antw.: [LUTE] Re: Buzzing [was Gut strings] Hi Monica, I wonder It is focused around the high octave string on the fourth

[LUTE] Re: gut string, Petition etc.

2011-11-21 Thread Anthony Hind
Dear Orphenica and other sceptical members of this list. I am afraid I am unable to give you detailed legal interpretations of the EU BSE regulations, but I will try to answer a few of your questions, and set out why I personally signed the petition. reasons which seem

[LUTE] Re: gut string, Petition etc.

2011-11-21 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Thank you for this Anthony, I am not particularly sceptical but, like some others, find a certain lack of clarity in the position. Your description of how and why Sofracob went out of business is that they 'could no longer source sufficient raw gut' not that they were unable

[LUTE] Re: Octave stringing tensions

2011-11-21 Thread Edward Martin
It is an old paper, and Toyohiko has certainly changed his ideas since that time. It was written with synthetic strings in mind. At 12:30 AM 11/21/2011, David Smith wrote: Hi, I was reading an article by Toyohiko Satoh in Vol. II (1969) of the LSA Journal entitled A Method for

[LUTE] Re: Buzzing [was Gut strings]

2011-11-21 Thread Monica Hall
I wonder It is focused around the high octave string on the fourth course and the same note stopped at the 3rd fret on the second course. How on earth do you produce the same note on the third fret on the second course. You mean fret 15 don't you? No! Obviously you know nothing about the

[LUTE] Re: 6th course on 'baroque' lute [was Gut strings]

2011-11-21 Thread Monica Hall
Dear Martin Von Radolt's Instructions clearly tell us that he had an octave on the 6th course. Similarly in some of Mouton's tablature (amongst others) the low octave is required to be played and then later the high octave of the same course. See the FoMRHI paper jointly written by

[LUTE] Re: Buzzing [was Gut strings]

2011-11-21 Thread Lex van Sante
Hi Monica, Mea culpa! I obviously misread what you wrote. Happens to me quite often these days:( Lex Oh, and not at all! Op 21 nov 2011, om 15:01 heeft Monica Hall het volgende geschreven: I wonder It is focused around the high octave string on the fourth course and the same note stopped

[LUTE] Gut strings

2011-11-21 Thread henner.kahlert
Dear all, noboby has told us yet by which EU-regulation (kind of [e.g. directive?], year, number, date of publication, article no.) the production of gut strings should be prohibited. By now we only have the personal statement of Mimmo Perufo that strict European legislation (?) forbids the

[LUTE] Gut strings

2011-11-21 Thread Anthony Hind
Here is a beginning for you (if you can follow the legal jargon): There are several laws causing the crisis. One of these laws can be found here: in English: [1]http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ%3AL%3A2004% 3A162%3A0062%3A0064%3AEN%3APDF Anthony

[LUTE] Re: Buzzing [was Gut strings]

2011-11-21 Thread William Samson
Hi Monica, A couple of things you might check (though you may well have done so already) - Loose string ends at the peghead or the bridge - these could shift around with humidity changes. Don't want to worry you, but I had some intractible buzzing on one of my lutes that

[LUTE] Re: Buzzing [was Gut strings]

2011-11-21 Thread Monica Hall
Hi Monica, Mea culpa! I obviously misread what you wrote. Happens to me quite often these days:( It happens to me all the time. I blame it on old age but I'm not sure that you can claim that as an excuse Monica Lex Oh, and not at all! Op 21 nov 2011, om 15:01 heeft Monica Hall

[LUTE] Re: Buzzing [was Gut strings]

2011-11-21 Thread Monica Hall
Not a guitar person myself, particularly, but I'd have thought that these fancy rosettes are a place where buzzing might be located too - some little bit of parchment waggling like a tuning fork maybe? Again, that could be influenced by humidity. Then again there are the inlays Yes

[LUTE] Re: gut string, Petition etc.

2011-11-21 Thread Anthony Hind
Dear Martyn    I am grateful to Charles Besnainou (who is a French research person on strings of all sorts) for helping me to understand this situation a little better. Charles learnt gut string making from Sofracob, and he had an excellent relation with its director M. Lenoble. He tells me

[LUTE] Re: Buzzing [was Gut strings]

2011-11-21 Thread Garry Warber
I second William. I hesitate to jump in on these mysteries, but in my makers years I actually never saw a loose-brace caused buzz... Most were from some bridge problem, and as I was a classic guitar guy, mainly ill-fitting bridge bones. If you have one of those reverse-funnel rosettes it

[LUTE] Re: Buzzing [was Gut strings]

2011-11-21 Thread R. Mattes
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 13:08:58 -0500, Garry Warber wrote I second William. I hesitate to jump in on these mysteries, but in my makers years I actually never saw a loose-brace caused buzz... Strange - I had three instruments with braces comming of, all of them had a noticeable buzz who only

[LUTE] Re: Buzzing [was Gut strings]

2011-11-21 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
I know much detailed discussion has transpired since. However, the fact that the issue is pitch-related, most noticeable at a particular pitch even if sounded on different courses, implies that the issue is probably not related to a single string or the bit of hardware specific to any one string

[LUTE] Re: Buzzing [was Gut strings]

2011-11-21 Thread Garry Warber
Oh my, I stepped on some toes... Okay, my responses are divided with yours: -Original Message- From: R. Mattes Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 1:36 PM To: Garry Warber ; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Buzzing [was Gut strings] On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 13:08:58 -0500, Garry

[LUTE] Re: Buzzing [was Gut strings]

2011-11-21 Thread Monica Hall
Never mind all these comments are helpful. Monica - Original Message - From: Garry Warber garrywar...@hughes.net To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 7:51 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Buzzing [was Gut strings] Oh my, I stepped on some toes... Okay, my responses are

[LUTE] Re: 6th course on 'baroque' lute [was Gut strings]

2011-11-21 Thread Monica Hall
On 21/11/2011 14:09, Monica Hall wrote: I asked because I have been comparing Foscarini's arrangements of lute works by Gaultier with the originals. He sticks very close to the original (making allowances for the absence of a 6th course and the fact that the 3rd course on the lute is a

[LUTE] Theorbo sighting

2011-11-21 Thread Leonard Williams
Baroque sextet with hurdy-gurdy and (nicely audible) theorbo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzmPNtpTiiQ Regards, Leonard Williams _ [: :] / | | \ | | | | (_==_) !~¿ To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Buzzing [was Gut strings]

2011-11-21 Thread Garry Warber
Monica, Thank you... I'm curious. We recently re-located from the Olympic Peninsula, and I'm just curious if you are the Monica Hall that lived in Europe for some years and lately re-located to Seattle? An Early Music specialist and at the time Baroque violin player? I'm 2500 miles from

[LUTE] Re: gut strings in Morocco

2011-11-21 Thread wikla
Bruno, this is great news! Arto On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:32:20 -0500, Bruno Fournier br...@estavel.org wrote: Dear lutenetters of America, A I have found out throught the french lutenet, that gut strings are still being made in Morocco: A

[LUTE] Re: gut strings in Morocco

2011-11-21 Thread David van Ooijen
On their website they say they make a limited number of gauges only. If you buy sets from them, they add Kuerschner, Kathedrale or Aquila (!?). They don't make 0.40mm. Pity, but they might be coaxed into expanding their business? David David van Ooijen

[LUTE] Re: Buzzing [was Gut strings]

2011-11-21 Thread Edward Martin
I actually had a buzz once on a lute, and it drove me crazy (or as Dan Winheld would say about me, crazier than baseline). Of all things it was a nylgut treble on a baroque lute, and it buzzed like crazy, and it took a while to determine where the buzz came fro. A new string did the tick ( I