[LUTE] String technology (was brass strings on 15th century lutes)

2012-07-10 Thread William Samson
Dear Wisdom, I am becoming confused by the terminology associated with string technology. I wonder if anybody would be kind enough to supply definitions of these terms, which crop up from time to time? High-twist gut Catlines Pistoys Venice strings Lyons Loaded gut

[LUTE] A Collection of German single-line Intavolations Lute Trios (Various)

2012-07-10 Thread Anton Höger
Hi, Now You will find under: http://imslp.org/wiki/A_Collection_of_German_Lute_Trios_%28Various%29 A Collection of German Lute Trios (Various) These single-line Intavolations are intended not only for training purposes for students (rhythm, listening sessions, interaction) but can be even

[LUTE] Re: Kazakh tune arr.lute and gittern

2012-07-10 Thread Eugene Kurenko
It's great Stuartt! Touching and very fresh. And what about 7str guitar version? P.S.: Something wrong with your youtube link so here is it fixed: [1]http://youtu.be/1-yKbHIru4k 2012/7/10 WALSH STUART [2]s.wa...@ntlworld.com Eugene Kurenko uploaded a lovely five-course

[LUTE] Re: String technology (was brass strings on 15th century lutes)

2012-07-10 Thread Martin Shepherd
Dear Bill, A rough shot at this: High-twist gut - a gut string with more twist! Conventional (modern) wisdom was that for maximum strength, treble strings were made with the minimum of twist. For thicker strings, where strength is unecessary and flexibility more of a problem, more twist is

[LUTE] Re: String technology (was brass strings on 15th century lutes)

2012-07-10 Thread willsamson
Thanks, Martin. An excellent summary and all in one place too. This, I venture to say, would be a very nice addition to your own website or even the beginnings of a Wikipedia article. Of course much of this can be gleaned from string makers' websites but of course they are less likely,

[LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes

2012-07-10 Thread Roman Turovsky
Also, keep in mind - In Elisabeth[1]an English the word 'brass' can mean any bronze alloy, or copper, rather than the strict modern definition of brass. RT On 7/10/2012 9:26 AM, [2]theoj89...@aol.com wrote: Brass strings (or an alloy closer to bronze) were used on irish and

[LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes

2012-07-10 Thread Martyn Hodgson
But, surely, if the brass strings are sufficiently thin there's no reason why the tension should not be at the usual level. MH --- On Tue, 10/7/12, theoj89...@aol.com theoj89...@aol.com wrote: From: theoj89...@aol.com theoj89...@aol.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: brass strings

[LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes

2012-07-10 Thread Roman Turovsky
much later, I think. the lubrication essential for drawing brass wire wasn't invented until a couple of centuries after 1300's. RT 7/10/2012 9:26 AM, theoj89...@aol.com wrote: Brass strings (or an alloy closer to bronze) were used on irish and scottish harps from the 1300s onward. It would

[LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes

2012-07-10 Thread Nancy Carlin
Low tension brass strings are regularly used on orpharions, citterns and bandoras. Nancy Brass strings (or an alloy closer to bronze) were used on irish and scottish harps from the 1300s onward. It would not be surprising that a lute player might possibly use them for bass

[LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes

2012-07-10 Thread Roman Turovsky
The way it was explained to me by a metallurgist: drawing brass requires lube that wouldn't burn at the teperature necessary to draw. And that lagged a bit. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 10, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Jarosław Lipski jaroslawlip...@wp.pl wrote: It was not a matter of lubrication but

[LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes

2012-07-10 Thread Jarosław Lipski
A contemporary metallurgist probably knows mainly modern techniques. This is the quotation from The Early English Copper and Brass Industries to 1800 by H. Hamilton: Up to the Elizabethan period, copper or brass wire was drawn by hand in Britain by a very primitive process. One method

[LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes

2012-07-10 Thread Roman Turovsky
It is not as simple as that. The die has to be lubricated to pass heated wire, and as I recall brass was too hot for the die, until the discovery that urine could be used for that process. I recall that this is the main argument against pre-1300 musical wire mythology in general. It took

[LUTE] De Visee resources on the net

2012-07-10 Thread benny
Hi, fellow lute folk - I've been loaned a very nice Baroque lute, which unusually has an extra bass course. I'm taking part in a concert of French music in the spring, and would like to play some De Visee. Are there online resources for his music that someone could direct me towards?