[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

Marijuana notwithstanding ;-), Ballard and Gaultier’s parallel lives and careers are quite symptomatic of the change of style and technique which characterized their time. Ballard was lucky to have a brother who was a royal printer, which gave him access to the select world of printed edition,

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

Apropos recordings of (pieces from) the manuscript: Jacques Le Polonois : Pièces de luth (AEvitas AE-12157, December 2015) [1]https://www.discogs.com/Various-Jacques-Le-Polonois-Pièces- de-luth/release/7752681 by Paul Kieffer has the highest number of recordings from

[LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata]

Thanks Tristan, I had assumed a smaller instrument based on the fingerings... and the laws of physics... But the time frame would be a fit. On 02/01/2018 02:22 PM, Tristan von Neumann wrote: Is this the prototype of the instrument? Similar to a Bass Lute (I think it was a Dieffopruchar

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

Just a couple of points of recent history: back some 10 or 15 years ago, Joel Dugot from the French lute society sent me photocopies he made from the microfilm copy of the Cherbury L.B. all the way to California - with the purpose of working on a complete transcription of said manuscript. At

[LUTE] Re: BWV 998 at Christie's

Chinese investor is the bidder...?! https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg47762.html Kakinami -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Bernd Haegemann Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 1:29 AM To: lute list

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

They are legalizing Marijuana all over the place, come to California if you want to get stoned! (I gave up that little distraction decades ago, but I also much prefer Ballard). :-D Dan On 2/1/2018 5:15 PM, Susan Sandman wrote: Stoning is medieval, appropriate only hundreds of years

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

Stoning is medieval, appropriate only hundreds of years before... Susan On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 6:46 PM Tristan von Neumann <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: Do I get stoned by the community if I say that I like Ballard more anyway? :) Am 02.02.2018 um 00:36 schrieb

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

Do I get stoned by the community if I say that I like Ballard more anyway? :) Am 02.02.2018 um 00:36 schrieb Jean-Marie Poirier: En guise de conclusion ;-) : If you look at the chronological development of Ennemond’s career and life, his “his high reputation” as a baroque lute super hero

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

En guise de conclusion ;-) : If you look at the chronological development of Ennemond’s career and life, his “his high reputation” as a baroque lute super hero simply doesn’t hold. So there must be other material around to explain this phenomenon. Cherbury is only one piece in the puzzle and

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

:-) ! > Le 1 févr. 2018 à 22:53, G. C. a écrit : > > PS. > And of course, I meant to say "you and Jean-Marie" SORRY! :D > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 10:27 PM, G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: > >Great that you feel that way, Ron. I'm just saying, that >

[LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata]

Is this the prototype of the instrument? Similar to a Bass Lute (I think it was a Dieffopruchar model...) with long body before long necks were built? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYZzu_nzI9M Am 01.02.2018 um 20:09 schrieb Nancy Carlin: Several years back there was an interview with Peter

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

PS. And of course, I meant to say "you and Jean-Marie" SORRY! :D On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 10:27 PM, G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: Great that you feel that way, Ron. I'm just saying, that comparing to what there is of real quality music for the lute out there,

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

Great that you feel that way, Ron. I'm just saying, that comparing to what there is of real quality music for the lute out there, and trying to keep in mind, the "high reputation" of Ennemond Gaultier, I'm sadly, not at all impressed by these alleged simple courantes and voltas in

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

Thanks a lot Peter! and for all your work. Fantastic! In this matter, I still register / The following numbers apply: 88-no concordances 101-no concordances 102-no concordances 107-2 concordances 109-no concordances 119-no concordance 120-2 concordances 127-2

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

That would be marvelous indeed ! Best wishes, Jean-Marie > Le 1 févr. 2018 à 20:05, Nancy Carlin a > écrit : > > Yes, I was the LSA's 2nd Microfilm Librarian back starting c1975, and I > have a number of binders with paper copies made from films. Now if

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

Thank you for you excellent and very useful work Peter! All the best, Jean-Marie Poirier Le 1 févr. 2018 à 21:14, Petrus Paulus Maria Steur <[1]p.st...@inrim.it> a écrit : Dear all, some of you might have a look at my enlarged website [2]mss.slweiss.de where the

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

Dear all, some of you might have a look at my enlarged website [1]mss.slweiss.de where the Cherbury is already present with a lot of concordances (hopefully all correct). Peter Steur Mail priva di virus. [2]www.avg.com 2018-02-01 21:00 GMT+01:00 Jean-Marie Poirier

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

Dear Göran, There is already quite a bit of work done by John H. Robinson regarding a number of pieces by Gaultier. It was the subject of a publication for the Lute Society back in 1997, a music supplement entitled Music in Vieil Ton by Gauthier. Not everything is there but it's a good starting

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

Dear Ron, I have the 1966 CNRS edition. Nowhere in it, is the L. Herbert mentioned, other than in the "Table des Sigles". No concordances. Do I have a too old edition? I find, that the quality of these short pieces in Cherbury are unfortunately in no way convincing! Kindly

[LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata]

Several years back there was an interview with Peter Forrester in the LSA Quarterly that included a picture of that type of cittern, which I believe is also called for in some Monteverdi. When I was studying musicology back c1970 I took a class on Montederdi and the professor had no idea what

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

Dear Jean Marie, I beg to differ about the quality of these little sketches, but look forward to an informed edition with the "motorized" versions. In the meantime it would be helpful with a concordance list for these short Gaultier pieces in the old tuning. Best wishes G.

[LUTE] Re: BWV 998 at Christie's

Cool but-good Lord-he's handling it without gloves. A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters Francisco Goya On Feb 1, 2018, at 9:29 AM, Bernd Haegemann <[1]b...@symbol4.de> wrote:

[LUTE] BWV 998 at Christie's

http://www.christies.com/features/My-highlight-of-2016-JS-Bach-autograph-manuscript-7966-3.aspx kind regards Bernd --- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft. https://www.avast.com/antivirus To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata]

Have a look here: http://www.cittern.theaterofmusic.com/printed/gv1602.html Andreas > Am 01.02.2018 um 16:14 schrieb mjlh...@cs.dartmouth.edu: > > I have one other reference to the use of the term citara for cittern > (rather than guitar) from Gary Boye who said > > "Citara tiorbata" could

[LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata]

I have one other reference to the use of the term citara for cittern (rather than guitar) from Gary Boye who said "Citara tiorbata" could possibly refer to a cittern. There is one early cittern book which uses that term, without the tiorbata qualification: Vincenti, Giacomo - Secondo libro

[LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata]

Andrew Hartig says this about the citara atiorbata - Pietro Paulo Melii’s Intavolatura di liuto attiorbato, Libro Quarto (1616) contains a balletto for nine instruments including a citara tiorbata. This has at least 9 courses, seven of which were fretted and tuned G d f b g d’ e’.

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

Dear Göran, I do certainly lean towards Ennemond, and most probably not Jacques, as Cherbury did not support the latter after he sought refuge in England to escape the King's justice and a certain death for the murder of a noble man in France ! Sorry Thurston ;-) ! In my recent article in the

[LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata]

One normally thinks that instruments of that time were mostly exchangeable if the range of notes is suitable. In this case, it would make sense to assume a deliberate addition of "attack" to the viol by mixing it with the mainly "attack" sound of the harp. Of course only if they sit close to

[LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata]

Dear Alain, Perhaps Virgo is actually (Paolo) Virchi (1551 - 1610)? His father(?) was Giraolamo Virchi (or de Virchi) a maker of citterns Martyn --- --- From: Alain Veylit

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

I had the privilege of viewing and handling Dd.2.11 and Dd.5.78.3 in Cambridge. I went to the library with Ian Harwood who had discovered that Holmes was the scribe of these and other manuscripts and was, of course, well known. I did not have to wear gloves and it was allowed to open the

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

When looking at the Gaultier pieces in Cherbury, I recall a recent discussion on the possibility of these being by Ennemond in vieil ton. All these pieces are very short and I must say rather pedestrian, and not indicative of the great fame of Ennemond. Thurston Dart in his 1957

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

Lucky you, Leonard. Another library non-experience. I can't recall exactly what I went to the Newberry to examine. I think it was something for Sylvia Minkoff. (It'll come to me soon, but examining the lute book in person was essential.) I had a modest travel grant from the

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

Just to add my voice to the chorus of people saying real books are important and easier to use.  I have all the content of the Cherbury MS (ancient faded photocopy), but I'm really interested in all the notes and concordances as well as having a nice clear copy (preferably hardback).  I have

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

Dear Nancy, Many years ago the only way to obtain copies of many of these MSs was to pay for a microfilm copy which the collections often then seemed willing to make. Some 20/30 years ago the late, and much missed, Donald Gill gave me a photocopy of Cherbury printed from such a