But on the other hand, it does seem plausible to me that builders
experimented with adding one extra course to 11 course lutes, before
they came up with the bass rider. Maybe Baron played one such
experimental instrument?
Are
On 2014-05-18 18:07, Mathias Rösel wrote:
When I think of 12
When I think of 12 course lutes, I think of the ones described by Mace,
with two peg boxes. But the lute Baron is holding looks like a regular
11 course lute with an extra course, right? Seems like there were two
types of 12 course lutes.
Are
On 2014-05-17 20:01, Rob MacKillop wrote:
I used
Wayne, please remove this Igor guy from the list as soon as possible.
Are
There are moments when Val's playing has moved me, and left me
thinking, 'Why can't I play like that?'
you must be a comedian or something ?!
Igor Moronski
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at the Library of Congress, which was
compiled in Utrecht (Holland), Hanover and Hamburg probably for the same
person as 'Lord Danby's Lute Book' or his younger brother, contains one or
two pieces for archlute, including one by Losy.
Tim
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And here is the mail where our Mathias Rösel mentions a couple of
theorbo/archlute pieces by Reusner. Which pieces are you refering to,
Mathias?
Are
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And here is the mail where our Mathias Rösel mentions a couple of
theorbo/archlute pieces by Reusner. Which pieces are you refering to,
Mathias?
Are
Source: Theorbenbuch Goëss: Ebenthal, Grafen Goëss'sche
Primogenitur-Fideikommiss-Bibliothek, Ms. Theorbe, fol. 44-45 (= p.
87-89).
There
Obviously, it's good to know about the two or three Losy's pieces and a
couple of Reusner's one transfered to theorbo. But I hope you are not going
to say the d-m lute, after this discovery, is practically useless and
everything can be reintabulated to an archlute now - ?
Of course not!
convenient... This way all - really nearly the ALL! - the baroque
solo-continuo stuff is playable by an archlute!
Yepp, that's true. I tried Logy and Weiss grand staff transcriptions
with the archlute and found them quite feasable.
I think I read somewhere that there actually is a courante
I'm thinking perhaps the E minor scordatura is what Jakob
Lindberg uses for both the e minor and major lute works...
E major is a rare key in lute music anyway. Apart from Bach, I know of
only two sources where it appears.
I can add a sarabande by Lauffensteiner.
Are
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At 10:58 AM 8/4/2008, Arthur Ness wrote:
I think one of the French 17th-century lutenists wrote a work in all keys.
Bocquet???
That is interesting! Of course there is also Falckenhagen's prelude in all
keys.
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It's a great pic. let's be thankful that there are so many great pics.
But what I like is the Thumb Middle It is so present, so real.
Could it be that this thumb middle position was the common way to play
bass lutes? The Bakfark picture also shows him playing thumb middle on a
large lute.
Reusner, Esaias, Neue Lauten-Fruchte 1676. In the
mannuscript additions in the copy now housed at Staatsbibliothek
Preussischer Kulturbesitz, Berlin (Mus.ms. 18380) are pieces for a
12-course lute.
Yes, on p. 58 (i. e. fol. 27v) starts a suite in D major. At some
places, a 12th course is
What about Boccherini's quintets? I think Jose Miguel Moreno has recorded
them on a six-couse guitar.
I have also heard Rolf Lislevand perform the Fandango quintet on a
five-course baroque guitar, and it worked. Maybe its even HIP.
Are
My reading of Fernandiere has got me interested in the
Hi Mathias, Edward and the rest of you,
you might find this article interesting:
http://www.tabulatura.com/Mestweb.htm
I wonder how common these small baroque lutes were...
Thank you for pointing at Kenneth Sparr's article, which is a must-read
on this field. As for your wondering,
So its e-minor tuning, then?
Otherwise, it was called French flat: C - D - E - F | G - A // B - e - a
- c' - e' - g'.
Of course! I forgot that French flat was Thomas' favourite.
Kenneth Sparr's article has a list of tabulatures for 12-course lute. One
of the items is:
Reusner, Esaias, Neue
Hi Mathias, Edward and the rest of you,
you might find this article interesting:
http://www.tabulatura.com/Mestweb.htm
I wonder how common these small baroque lutes were...
Are
Dear Mathias,
No, I have not gone in that direction. There seems to be relatively new
interest in the topic,
Lute can be simply accompanyment, but it can also be collaborator.
Because the human voice is considered the most perfect instrument,
I prefer the lute!
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Does anyone know of an online source for the Vivaldi concerto? In D
on the guitar, I don't know what key the original is.
I have pictures of the original manuscript in Jpeg format. Is anyone
interested?
I am interested! Do you know where I can find the other lute works of
Vivaldi as well?
From the comments, by the man himself:
... it's an arciliuto in a with single strings, which was a pretty common
practice in Italy in 17th century.
What is the evidence for this?
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Vincenzo Galilei wrote 100 variations over the Romanesca, which would take
more than one hour to perform.
Are
IIRC, there's a Bakfark intabulation that runs around 18 minutes. I heard
Jacob Herringman play part of it once, but that was some years ago and I
don't recall the name.
Guy
I'm to play the Heinichen concerto in D for flute, oboe, violins, cello,
theorbo and bc (Seibel 226) next month. Anybody ever did this before and
remember what instrument he/she used? It says tiorba in the autograph. The
range is A1 till a'. C and C# are both needed, as are E and E-flat, F
It puzzled me too, until I realised you must have been playing an
instrument in G.
The strangest chord I have ever seen was at the start of The Creation by
a baroque composer - I forget which. To represent chaos, the first chord
had the numbers 7 6 5 4 3 2, or possibly 8 7 6 5 4 3 2. Can't
The strangest chord I have ever seen was at the start of The
Creation by
a baroque composer - I forget which. To represent chaos, the first
chord
had the numbers 7 6 5 4 3 2, or possibly 8 7 6 5 4 3 2. Can't go
wrong,
really.
Les Elemens by Jean Fiery Rebel
Just got this. Thank you
Very ineresting performance
I think I would choose the theorbo over the archlute because of the
desire to keep the accompaniment a bit lower.
Also there are an awful lot of doublings of the harmony. I can't see
doing that.
But mainly, if I played this on the archlute, I would play the
Mozart added a lute part to the flute ad libitum in the end: more broken
chords.
I guess this is Mozart's collected output of lute music!?
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Hei!
I'm curious about that french lutenist from the XVII, Mercure.
There is a beutiful sarabande in the MS Milleran, without name, and the
same is included in the Balcarres MS.
I know, the french CNRS published his work, but I don't have the book.
There are at least two Mercures, one,
Is it possible that the Spanish Pavan actually is a spanish vihuela piece?
Are
Dear All,
I have revived the Piece of the Month feature on my site. It now includes
MP3 files. No reverb added this time - compare them with the files on my
recordings page and let me know which you prefer:
All that said, the answer to the original question is that the lute
player is really playing a real liuto attiorbato, in sync. I don't
think it's Lislevand, because he plays left-handed
Ehm... No, he doesnt... But he does play a very small right-handed
theorbo. The reason he chose a small
A small price to pay for being able to play a three-note chord over
middle C in first position?
That's the point and the most promising bit. However the price seems to me
not small, indeed, and therefore my quest for someone maybe experienced.
Play an archlute! ;-)
Are
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His library of music, the largest to survive intact from the 18th
century, has some 300 pieces for lute, alone. The library was inherited
by his daughter Princess Luise Frederica, an accomplished lutenist and
coloratura, who brought the collection to Rostock (it is now in
the University
As you imply: I guess it's because they can't be bothered to
learn to read on an A instrument
A lot of people prefer to work in those areas they're most familiar
with. We have modern editions of Italian music in French tablature,
because French tab is the one that a lot of people feel
I had a quick look through the libro primo di lauto, but could not find any
indication of more than 10 courses. You must be mixing up the primo di
chitarone.
No, the person who told me was very specific that it was the libro primo
di lauto, and that this is the first source for 11-course
Yeah, and he was probably right! On second check, page 29 ms. 27 shows an
11th course?
!? Which piece?
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I'm wondering how many of the early publications for a 'theorbo' (various
spellings) or chitarrone were actually for large 10c bass lutes with
re-entrant tunings?
I wonder about this too! As far as I know, Kapsberger's Libro primo for
chitarrone is for a 10-course instrument.
Are
PS: I
I'm wondering how many of the early publications for a 'theorbo' (various
spellings) or chitarrone were actually for large 10c bass lutes with
re-entrant tunings?
I wonder about this too! As far as I know, Kapsberger's Libro primo for
chitarrone is for a 10-course instrument.
You can
be that the lute in question here actually is a 10/11-corse liuto
attiorbato?
If that means, 1st and 2nd courses normal (like on the lute), the answer
is no. All pieces of Libro prima require 1st and 2nd courses down the
octave. (Nevertheless, one might want to discuss one or another
Yet another question for the Collective Wisdom: I've been trying to
find out something about Comte Bergen who has a few pieces listed
in Vienna MS 1078. Does anyone know anything about who he was?
I wonder if there might be some information about him in Per Ketil
Farstad's thesis.
One of
I just don't see a gap of any sort in the Vivaldi D major concerto
when played on mandolin.
Perhaps you can be more specific as to what the gap might be.
Obviously it does not fit perfectly on the archlute or people would
not transpose it.
Who are transposing it? Both the recordings I know
PS. #73 has an identical beginning as 2 of Molinaro's fantasias.
Neither remarkable nor much of a coincidence.
The first three or four notes are a formula known in Italy as, if I
recall correctly, the canzona francese. Pieces based on it were
common--Giovanni Gabrieli was
I happen to have Telemann's 'Sing, Spiel Generalbass' (great for
learning/teaching continuo) in a Baerenreiter 1968 edition. No Weiss is
mentioned. What is the title of the piece by Weiss? All the pieces in my
edition are songs, and jolly ones at that, so there's no 'Presto in B flat'.
Rolf Lislevand has just recorded Vivaldi's mandolin concertos on a soprano
lute. The reason I have heard for this is that he could not find a baroque
mandolin and meant that the musical result would not be that different.
Are
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Edward Martin wrote:
There is a difference.
Hei!
According to Pohlmann Christoph Schaffrath composed at sonata for lute and
cello. I have no idea wether it is good music or not.
mvh
Are
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Hi, my friend plays the baroque cello, and we want to play some music
together. Does anyone know where
That looks interesting! I am waiting for the details...
mvh
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On Sat, 10 Feb 2007, Alexander Batov wrote:
My long desired project to reproduce viola da mano from Girolamo dai Libri's
painting 'Madonna and Child with Saints' is now finished:
Actually it was a certain Simone Fasce. I guess it was about women and/or
money...
Are
On Mon, 29 Jan 2007, Andrew Gibbs wrote:
Was it the Americans?
Andrew
On 28 Jan 2007, at 15:27, Are Vidar Boye Hansen wrote:
Hi all!
Anyone know why Giovanni Battista della Gostena was murdered
to Warsaw, and have new call
numbers. I'll try to make a summary later. There's a
complete listing of conmtents in the Meyer et al.
catalogue.
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Hi Chris and everyone!
I was just thinking on this. Is there any music
that is clearly written specifically for this type of
12 (not 11 or 13) course lute?
Have a look at this:
http://www.tabulatura.com/Mestweb.htm
kind regards
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Isn't that a tall order? Maybe if all one concentrates on is a G lute and
guitar (capoed up), then one could learn all the positions in, say, many
years. But do people really learn the fingerboards of, say, ren lute in G,
baroque lute in dm, archlute (in ??), etc???
I know the fingerboards
Well, if that's the case, why use tablature? Really. Is there any other
reason?
I think Stewart McCoy claimed that tabulature is an excellent way of
notating polyphonic music for a plucked instrument.
Anyway, lutenists did play from score, just think of continuo playing.
I am certain that
I hope Stewart will explain it himself!
Are
I'm a novice, which explains why I don't understand Mr. McCoy's assertion.
Can you explain it?
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Well, if that's the case, why use tablature? Really. Is there any other
reason?
I think
Hi all!
An archlute would be very appropriate, and fine. From all accounts,,
anything could have been used, including archlutes, theorbi, baroque
guitars, battente, guitars, gambi, etc.
Really? Last sunday I played archlute continuo for Schutz' Musikalische
Exequien with a baroque
I have to add the great norwegians Thomas Bpysen and Thor-Harald Johnsen!
Are
On Thu, 19 Oct 2006, Andreas Schlegel wrote:
Dear all
I'm writing a book on the European lute for non specialists. It's one
with many colour photos of historic instruments, in two languages
(german - english).
Ops, that is of course Thomas Boysen!
http://www.thomasboysen.de/
Are
On Thu, 19 Oct 2006, Are Vidar Boye Hansen wrote:
I have to add the great norwegians Thomas Bpysen and Thor-Harald Johnsen!
Are
On Thu, 19 Oct 2006, Andreas Schlegel wrote:
Dear all
I'm writing a book
Hi all!
I thought:
7-course one tone below the 6th c.: Newsidler Teutsch Lautenbuch 1574
(but I don't have a copy...)
7-course a fourth below the 6th c.: Barbetta 1582
8-course: Terzi and Molinario 1599
Matthias Reymann published his Noctes musicae for 8-course lute in 1598. I
want to know
Hi Alfonso!
I think Martin was a bit crude to you...
The point is that it is not the force applied to the string that
determines wether or not it will brake, but the force per cross-sectional
area of the string. A thicker string needs a larger force for it to break,
but it also has a larger
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Hello all!
On her list of instruments Lynda Sayce mentions a Wagner lute:
http://www.theorbo.com/Instruments/Instruments.htm
I don't know what it is, but if you ask her, please let us know!
mvh
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I've been asked to play a lute part in Wagner's Meistersingers
Dear all
The three anonymous concertos are from the Harrach Collection. But from
a section of the Harrach collection that was sold (or auctioned?) many
years ago, perhaps in the 1960s. From that sale we can trace the
Pachelbel pieces at the Stadtbibliothek in Nuremberg, the sonatas,
Zamboni?
mvh
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On Sun, 14 May 2006, Arthur Ness wrote:
Dear Andrew,
As I indicated, I have held and turned the pages of the actual orchestral
parts from which Weiss played in the opera orchestra in Dresden. They're in
pitch notation, and include solo/obbligato passages
and sarabande which have been transposed up one octave in the Dresden
version.
mvh
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Dear lute friends:
Excuse me in case I'm boring you with too much newcomer questions, probably
over-answered in the past. Well, let's go to the matter. It's said all
around
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All the best,
Arto
mvh
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I forgot to mention that some og Voigtl=E4nder's songs are recorded on the
Naxos CD German Lute Songs with Charlie Schr=F6der playing the lute.
mvh
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Mozart?
Hi all!
Is it true that Mozart added a short cadenza for solo lute in his version
of the Caecilia ode?
I don't know what
That is interesting! I have also heard that Telemann wrote a number of
cantatas with a bass part for gallichon and that he mentioned solo music
for lute in a letter to his publisher.
mvh
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On Sun, 18 Dec 2005, Arthur Ness wrote:
In addition to the two partitas in Warsaw
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