Hi Tom Sounds like it could be a problem with the grooves in the nut. If the octave string is set too high relative to the fundamental, it will need that much extra tension to be pressed down onto the fret, with the obvious tuning discrepancy that you describe. It is complicated because of the different in thickness (and stiffness) between the two strings. If I were you, I would try inserting a very thin layer of card or plastic under the fundamental, at the nut groove, and see if it improves the tuning of your fretted octaves (in this case by raising the fundamental. Forget the fact that the frets are now slightly out of position). If so, the next step would be to consider whether the groove for the octave string can be made deeper without bringing the string too close to the frets. Good luck John
On 10 October 2013 07:44, Tom <[1]tgw...@gmail.com> wrote: I posted this to the lutening group but thought it wouldn't hurt to try here, also. Hello everyone, I have what is probably a newbie question. I am unable to tune the 5th, 6th, and to a lesser degree the 7th and 8th courses to my satisfaction. When tuned so that the octaves have no beats between the two strings, the strings are out of tune when fretted. The octave course is invariably sharp, or at least sharp enough to drive me batty (although there are those who would argue that it's a drive...more like a putt). My ears are pretty good to within 5 cents of a tone. I've tried lowering the fundamental by a few cents, but it doesn't seem to help until the the two strings of a course are out of tune when open. Help!!! (please) -- Sincerely, Tom -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:tgw...@gmail.com 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html