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--- On Sun, 8/6/08, Anthony Hind
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From: Anthony Hind [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: Double headed
12c/loaded/Demi-filé
To: Jarosław Lipski
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Martyn Hodgson
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lute
Hodgson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 12:45 PM
To: 'Lute'; Jarosław Lipski
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: Double headed
12c/loaded/Demi-filé
I don't know where Mimmo gets the tension of 0.9 - 1.0Kg from, but as an
example: take a Dm tuned lute at 68cm (with top
--- On Sun, 8/6/08, Anthony Hind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Anthony Hind [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: Double headed 12c/loaded/Demi-filé
To: Jarosław Lipski [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martyn Hodgson [EMAIL
PROTECTED], lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
: Friday, June 06, 2008 12:45 PM
To: 'Lute'; Jarosław Lipski
Subject: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: Double headed
12c/loaded/Demi-filé
I don't know where Mimmo gets the tension of 0.9 - 1.0Kg from, but as an
example: take a Dm tuned lute at 68cm (with top course f' tuned as
reasonably
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Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:46 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: Double headed 12c/loaded/Demi-filé
Le 4 juin 08 à 10:40, Martin Shepherd a écrit :
Dear All,
Dowland (VLL, 1610, sig.Dv.) says:
Some strings there are which are coloured, out of which
Anthony, Are you suggesting that dyeing gut strings would somehow change their
mass?
I do not think that you can change the specific weight of gut by any chemical
means.
DD
Unless I am mistaken in my interpretation, it does seem that this loading of
leather with oxides was a sub-part of
Damian,
No I think that what they called a dyeing process may have been a
form of loading, or a charging, process: incorporating oxides,
probably does load the material, even if the person dyeing the
leather does not think of it in that way, his intention may just be
to colour the
There is no way to change the specific weight or mass of a gut
string by chemical means. If someone
were to claim that there are ways to chemically change the gut
to make it heavier, that would be classed
as some kind of alchemy.
DD
Damian,
No I think that what they called a dyeing process
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Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 3:24 PM
To: Jaros3aw Lipski; 'Lute'
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Double headed 12c/loaded/Demi-filé
Lots of good questions that obviously haven't been
satisfactorily answered. One thing that has
You mean loaded gut is impossible?
On Jun 5, 2008, at 12:00 PM, damian dlugolecki wrote:
There is no way to change the specific weight or mass of a gut
string by chemical means. If someone
were to claim that there are ways to chemically change the gut to
make it heavier, that would be
Loading gut is adding physical mass by adding a substance denser than gut,
not chemically altering the gut itself.
Eugene
At 03:45 PM 6/5/2008, howard posner wrote:
You mean loaded gut is impossible?
On Jun 5, 2008, at 12:00 PM, damian dlugolecki wrote:
There is no way to change the
In the sense that you might chemically alter gut to become
heavier, yes.
If I am not mistaken the 'loaded' strings are made by adding
metal filings
to the gut prior to the initial twisting of the gut ribbons.
DD
Howard Posner wrote:
You mean loaded gut is impossible?
On Jun 5, 2008, at
On Jun 5, 2008, at 1:12 PM, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote:
Loading gut is adding physical mass by adding a substance denser
than gut, not chemically altering the gut itself.
If I'm not mistaken, loading is essentially infusing, which would be
process similar to dyeing. Perhaps I'm mistaken.
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At 05:27 PM 6/5/2008, howard posner wrote:
On Jun 5, 2008, at 1:12 PM, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote:
Loading gut is adding physical mass by adding a substance denser
than gut, not chemically altering the gut itself.
If I'm not mistaken, loading is essentially infusing, which would be
process
On Jun 5, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote:
I don't think you are mistaken; however, that still would not
involve a chemical change of the gut material itself.
Does dyeing? The question, if I am again unmistaken, was whether a
process used for dyeing might incidentally increase
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 4:37 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double headed 12c/loaded/ Demi-filé
On Jun 5, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote:
I don't think you are mistaken; however, that still would
not
involve a chemical change of the gut material itself.
Does dyeing? The question
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No, no, no. This is complete and utter nonsense without any
factual basis.
I am sorry to be so blunt, but I will not accomodate this kind
of fantasy
science.
DD
What seems to me more feasible, as regards to the increase
of the density of the gut string, is that some substances
that were
Please visit my web site at www.damianstrings.com
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From: damian dlugolecki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Anthony Hind [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: Double headed 12c/loaded/Demi-filé
I had forgotten about
On Jun 3, 2008, at 6:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the lute
player on the cover of Hoppy's 'Vieux Gaultier' CD
(who's the artist?) plays an instument with the first
and second courses red but also the BASS string only
of the 7th course. All the other ones are pale.
Why?
Maybe as a
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If cut, paste the ling between the two
V.
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Envoyé : mardi 3 juin 2008 16:32
À : Lute
Objet : [LUTE] Re: Double headed 12c/loaded/Demi-filé
On Jun 3, 2008, at 6:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED
I've posted a picture of this painting (L'homme au luth) here :
http://lutegroup.ning.com/profile/JMP
Just join the group (free) and enjoy !
Best,
Jean-Marie
=== 03-06-2008 15:24:22 ===
Lots of good questions that obviously haven't been
satisfactorily answered. One thing that has
The color of the string is a result of the processing of the casings making
gut strings. It is a consequence of the nature of the casings themselves,
the chemistry used, the Ph of the water etc. So finished strings can end up
being a rich brown color, a nearly white color, and anything in
On Jun 3, 2008, at 6:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Makes perfect sense for the 7th course. ...but the
top two? Those are probably the easiest two strings
to find.
Good point; I misread your first post.
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but seems, from
paintings and early instructions, to have been much more usual from the early
17thC when extra courses were being added to lutes.
MH
--- On Mon, 2/6/08, Anthony Hind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Anthony Hind [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: Double headed 12c
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