[LUTE] Re: Tuning

2012-07-02 Thread Gary Digman
Isn't happy existentialist an oxymoron? Gary - Original Message - From: Ron Andrico praelu...@hotmail.com To: wi...@cs.helsinki.fi Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 1:25 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tuning Thanks, Arto. I'm glad to know there are other happy

[LUTE] Re: Tuning

2012-07-02 Thread Leonard Williams
Is this the Doppler effect or the dopplich effect?? Is the Doppler effect what happens when you pitch a theorbo end over end? Leonard On 7/1/12 5:05 PM, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: On Jul 1, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Ron Andrico wrote: Is the Doppler effect what

[LUTE] Re: Tuning

2012-07-01 Thread Arto Wikla
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 13:24:40 +0100 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: akbut...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tuning with apologies to those who aren't interested ;-) For a plucked instrument the finger on the node is removed from the string just after

[LUTE] Re: Tuning

2012-07-01 Thread Ron Andrico
Thanks, Arto. I'm glad to know there are other happy existentialists out there, riffing on the absurdity of it all. Ron Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 22:35:41 +0300 To: praelu...@hotmail.com CC: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: wi...@cs.helsinki.fi Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tuning

[LUTE] Re: Tuning

2012-07-01 Thread howard posner
On Jul 1, 2012, at 1:25 PM, Ron Andrico wrote: Thanks, Arto. I'm glad to know there are other happy existentialists out there, riffing on the absurdity of it all. Well, one person's absurdity is another's physical science. When I do stroll gigs, I've found that if I stroll too fast the

[LUTE] Re: Tuning

2012-07-01 Thread Ron Andrico
Is the Doppler effect what happens when you pitch a theorbo end over end? Is it the Droppler effect if the strap comes undone? Is it undone if it's rare? Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 13:37:37 -0700 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: howardpos...@ca.rr.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tuning

[LUTE] Re: Tuning

2012-07-01 Thread howard posner
On Jul 1, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Ron Andrico wrote: Is the Doppler effect what happens when you pitch a theorbo end over end? Pitching a theorbo end over end is an ahistorical practice because it's possible only with a toy theorbo. Maybe Randy Johnson could pitch a theorbo that way... Is

[LUTE] Re: Tuning

2012-07-01 Thread tom
we stop? I say train your ears and tune to the best of your ability. RA Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 13:24:40 +0100 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: akbut...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tuning with apologies to those who aren't interested

[LUTE] Re: Tuning

2012-06-25 Thread andy butler
William Brohinsky wrote: When intentionally tuning a cello to perfect fifths, use the octave harmonic (divides the string in half) on the upper string, and the 'third' harmonic, i.e., the one that divides the lower string in thirds. Just for the sake of interest. Harmonics on a plucked

[LUTE] Re: Tuning

2012-06-25 Thread David van Ooijen
On 25 June 2012 09:39, andy butler akbut...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Harmonics on a plucked string are a little bit sharp, Isn't it the case that harmonics are pure by definition? David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl

[LUTE] Re: Tuning

2012-06-25 Thread willsamson
09:55:50 To: Lutelist Listlute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tuning On 25 June 2012 09:39, andy butler akbut...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Harmonics on a plucked string are a little bit sharp, Isn't it the case that harmonics are pure by definition? David

[LUTE] Re: Tuning

2012-06-25 Thread Philip Brown
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tuning On 25 June 2012 09:39, andy butler akbut...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Harmonics on a plucked string are a little bit sharp, Isn't it the case that harmonics are pure by definition? David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com

[LUTE] Re: Tuning

2012-06-25 Thread andy butler
with apologies to those who aren't interested ;-) For a plucked instrument the finger on the node is removed from the string just after the pluck. (otherwise the sound is damped) Indeed, having sharp harmonics is a property of all strings outside the physics lesson, as any piano tuner knows.

[LUTE] Re: Tuning

2012-06-25 Thread William Brohinsky
-...@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 09:55:50 To: Lutelist Listlute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tuning On 25 June 2012 09:39, andy butler akbut...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Harmonics on a plucked string are a little bit sharp, Isn't it the case that harmonics are pure by definition

[LUTE] Re: Tuning

2012-06-25 Thread William Brohinsky
Message- From: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com Sender: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 09:55:50 To: Lutelist Listlute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tuning On 25 June 2012 09:39, andy butler akbut...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Harmonics on a plucked string

[LUTE] Re: Tuning

2012-06-25 Thread Ron Andrico
: [LUTE] Re: Tuning with apologies to those who aren't interested ;-) For a plucked instrument the finger on the node is removed from the string just after the pluck. (otherwise the sound is damped) Indeed, having sharp harmonics is a property of all strings outside

[LUTE] Re: Tuning

2012-06-25 Thread tom
...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tuning with apologies to those who aren't interested ;-) For a plucked instrument the finger on the node is removed from the string just after the pluck. (otherwise the sound is damped) Indeed, having sharp harmonics is a property of all strings

[LUTE] Re: Tuning

2012-06-25 Thread Edward Mast
Thank you William Brohinsky - and others - for your response. I have been tuning using the open strings fifths, but do remember a teacher years ago telling me that tuning using the octave harmonic is more precise. I'll try that method again. My Korg is a less high tech model; I may look

[LUTE] Re: Tuning

2012-06-24 Thread David van Ooijen
We would presume if you tune fifths by ear, you would tune them pure, but ... if you have listened to fifths in equal temperament long enough in your life, you might well unwittingly tune tempered fifths by ear. So much for conditioning. In equal temperament fifths are about 2 cents smaller than

[LUTE] Re: Tuning

2012-06-24 Thread William Samson
Hi Ned, Pure fifths and equal-tempered fifths are pretty damn close to each other - slightly under 2 cents difference. I think the human ear - even of a good piano tuner - will have difficulty picking up this difference and will have to depend on beats to distinguish them. The

[LUTE] Re: Tuning

2012-06-24 Thread William Brohinsky
When intentionally tuning a cello to perfect fifths, use the octave harmonic (divides the string in half) on the upper string, and the 'third' harmonic, i.e., the one that divides the lower string in thirds. For tuning A against D, for instance, your little finger should touch the same point where

[LUTE] Re-tuning the diapason of a 7c

2012-05-02 Thread Joshua Burkholder
Dear lute-listers, A question from a beginner: First to introduce myself, my name is Joshua and I've been playing the lute for several months now; I have been on the list for a couple weeks and am really enjoying following your discussions. I have a rental 7-course and I am now in the process

[LUTE] Re: tuning software?

2012-02-10 Thread MICHAEL VOLLBRECHT
: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net To: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: tuning software? Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 00:45:47 -0800 (PST) This looks kind of cool [1]http://www.musicmasterworks.com/tuning_software.html

[LUTE] Re: tuning software?

2012-02-05 Thread Craig Robert Pierpont
manchap...@gmail.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: tuning software? To: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com Cc: lutelist Net Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Saturday, February 4, 2012, 4:19 PM WinTemper is pretty good: [1][1]http://wintemper.com/ Best, Sam

[LUTE] Re: tuning software?

2012-02-05 Thread William Samson
Talking of tuning software. Has anybody come across anything that will work on a Blackberry? Bill From: Craig Robert Pierpont crpierp...@yahoo.com To: lutelist Net Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, 5 February 2012, 18:16 Subject: [LUTE] Re: tuning software? Has

[LUTE] Re: tuning software?

2012-02-05 Thread Sam Chapman
: From: Sam Chapman [4]manchap...@gmail.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: tuning software? To: David van Ooijen [5]davidvanooi...@gmail.com Cc: lutelist Net [6]Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Saturday, February 4, 2012, 4:19 PM WinTemper is pretty good: [1][1][7

[LUTE] Re: tuning software?

2012-02-04 Thread Sam Chapman
WinTemper is pretty good: [1]http://wintemper.com/ Best, Sam On 29 January 2012 17:41, David van Ooijen [2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com wrote: It has come up, and I even had something installed on my computer once, but I lost all. Does anybody use tuning software for

[LUTE] Re: tuning software?

2012-02-01 Thread David Tayler
. __ From: Ed Durbrow edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp To: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com; LuteNet list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, January 30, 2012 7:22:44 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: tuning software? The tuner in Logic (OSX) seems pretty good. There is Tuna

[LUTE] Re: tuning software?

2012-02-01 Thread David Tayler
. __ From: Ed Durbrow [2]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp To: David van Ooijen [3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com; LuteNet list [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, January 30, 2012 7:22:44 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: tuning software

[LUTE] Re: tuning software?

2012-02-01 Thread David van Ooijen
On 1 February 2012 09:42, David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net wrote:    I recommend the horribly named android app GStrings. Mulititemperament   multifunction with many programmable features. Yep, I run it on my Archos too. Works well. David -- *** David van

[LUTE] Re: tuning software?

2012-01-30 Thread Ed Durbrow
The tuner in Logic (OSX) seems pretty good. There is Tuna Pitch, app and widget, which I just tried and seems to work well, also Mac. On Jan 30, 2012, at 1:41 AM, David van Ooijen wrote: Does anybody use tuning software for Windows and/or Mac, and if so, any feedback on the

[LUTE] Re: tuning software?

2012-01-29 Thread hera caius
Hello, In my opinion this is the best software on the market at an acceptable price: OT 120 Korg; I tune my baroque lute in 3 minutes with it... [01.gif] [1]http://www.korg.com/OT120 Caius --- On Sun, 1/29/12, David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com wrote: From: David

[LUTE] Re: tuning software?

2012-01-29 Thread Andreas Schlegel
Dear David, For Mac: Strobe tuner Copyright © 2005-2007 Katsura Shareware. It works on Mac OSX 10.6.8. And as an iPhone applet: Cleartune. All the best, Andreas PS: Time Machine for Mac is a clever solution for backups ;-) Am 29.01.2012 um 17:41 schrieb David van Ooijen: It has come

[LUTE] Re: tuning software?

2012-01-29 Thread Sean Smith
I use Strobe Tuner 1.6 from Katsura Shareware. $15. (It's good on a Mac back to 10.3.9 --which is my Mac/Windows/Fronimo machine.) I more often use the Cleartune on an ipod touch since it's easier to hold w/ a lute in my hand and does pretty much all the same things. The Cleartune also

[LUTE] Re: tuning software?

2012-01-29 Thread David Smith
I second Cleartune for Iphone or Android. Regards David -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of David van Ooijen Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:42 AM To: lutelist Net Subject: [LUTE] tuning software? It has come up, and I even

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-11 Thread EUGENE BRAIG IV
Eeeew. - Original Message - From: Daniel Winheld dwinh...@comcast.net Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:40 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz? To: EUGENE BRAIG IV brai...@osu.edu Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu When did they change from gut saws? On Jan 10

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-10 Thread Anthony Hind
  I agree with Chris, it is surprising that with their interest in timbre-structures Schoenberg and followers apparently made no remarks on such a major timbre change as that caused by moving from gut to metal strings; although, Klangfarbenmelodie seems to have been a technique for fracturing

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-10 Thread Christopher Wilke
Howard, --- On Sun, 1/8/12, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: Performances of their music were rare in those days, so the issue of performance practice alternatives would not have loomed large.  And with the exception of the modern early music movement, I can't think of many

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-10 Thread William Samson
Interesting topic. This is maybe a bit facile, but I believe that the sound produced has a lot more to do with the musician than it does with the particular instrument or string material. OK an authentic gut-strung violin will no doubt feel better to somebody who wants to produce

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-10 Thread EUGENE BRAIG IV
...@yahoo.com Date: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:34 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz? To: Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu I agree with Chris, it is surprising that with their interest in timbre-structures Schoenberg

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-10 Thread howard posner
On Jan 10, 2012, at 4:21 AM, Christopher Wilke wrote: OK, I used the Second Viennese School composers as an example due to the particular concern they had with timbre at a minute level. The issue could just as easily been voiced by Strauss, Mahler, Debussy, Ravel or others. Around the

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-10 Thread Christopher Wilke
Howard, --- On Tue, 1/10/12, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote:   Have you read Rimsky-Korsakov's Principles of Orchestration?  It comes from precisely this period.  (You can find English versions online) I've read portions of it, but it's quite a large document to browse

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-10 Thread R. Mattes
On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:21:18 -0800 (PST), Christopher Wilke wrote Howard, --- On Tue, 1/10/12, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote:   Have you read Rimsky-Korsakov's Principles of Orchestration?  It comes from precisely this period.  (You can find English versions online)

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-10 Thread Christopher Wilke
Eugene, --- On Tue, 1/10/12, EUGENE BRAIG IV brai...@osu.edu wrote: In the song cycle Ancient    Voices of Children, George Crumb asks the mandolin be played with a    metal paper clip in stead of a plectrum of more typical material:    plastics, tortoiseshell, etc.  His intent was to

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-10 Thread howard posner
On Jan 10, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Christopher Wilke wrote: I've read portions of it, More than I have, then. but it's quite a large document to browse through. Relevant to the topic of this discussion: What does he have to say about the relative merits and defects of gut vs. steel strings

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-10 Thread Roman Turovsky
Did his ghost finish it for him RT From: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com On Jan 10, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Christopher Wilke wrote: I've read portions of it, More than I have, then. but it's quite a large document to browse through. Relevant to the topic of this discussion: What does

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-10 Thread Christopher Wilke
--- On Tue, 1/10/12, R. Mattes r...@mh-freiburg.de wrote: He died in 1908 - that's pretty much before the general shift to metal strings on bowed instruments. I thought it seemed a bit early for Rimsky-Korsakov to be discussing steel strings in much depth. Does he discuss the tone of

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-10 Thread howard posner
On Jan 10, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Christopher Wilke wrote: I thought it seemed a bit early for Rimsky-Korsakov to be discussing steel strings in much depth. Does he discuss the tone of metal strings anywhere, perhaps even a remark noting them as a new novelty? Metal and steel are mentioned

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-10 Thread howard posner
On Jan 10, 2012, at 12:49 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote of Rimsky-Korsakov's Principles of Orchestration: Did his ghost finish it for him RT. Of course. Rimsky-Korsakov was like most musicians. On the whole, they don't write well, so they make much use of ghost writers. The name you're

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-10 Thread Roman Turovsky
4:00 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz? On Jan 10, 2012, at 12:49 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote of Rimsky-Korsakov's Principles of Orchestration: Did his ghost finish it for him RT. Of course. Rimsky-Korsakov was like most musicians. On the whole, they don't write well, so

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-10 Thread howard posner
On Jan 10, 2012, at 1:09 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: Hmmm, what about those musicians who write rather well, in many languages, including dead ones? You have to have a ghost writer if you're going to write in a dead language. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-10 Thread Roman Turovsky
as I recall Orff wrote masterfully in ancient Greek and Latin, without being dead. RT - Original Message - From: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com To: lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 4:14 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz? On Jan 10

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-10 Thread wikla
howardpos...@ca.rr.com To: lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 4:14 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz? On Jan 10, 2012, at 1:09 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: Hmmm, what about those musicians who write rather well, in many languages, including dead ones

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-10 Thread EUGENE BRAIG IV
: Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com Date: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 3:43 pm Subject: [LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz? To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, EUGENE BRAIG IV brai...@osu.edu Eugene, --- On Tue, 1/10/12, EUGENE BRAIG IV brai...@osu.edu wrote: In the song cycle

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-10 Thread Daniel Winheld
the melody up or down. Bowed saw isn't much like any lutey kin. Eugene - Original Message - From: Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com Date: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 3:43 pm Subject: [LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz? To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, EUGENE BRAIG IV

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-10 Thread Daniel Winheld
close to the pitches notated for saw. The best I could do is generally follow the melody up or down. Bowed saw isn't much like any lutey kin. Eugene - Original Message - From: Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com Date: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 3:43 pm Subject: [LUTE] Re: tuning

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-08 Thread Christopher Wilke
, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com --- On Sat, 1/7/12, Anthony Hind agno3ph...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Anthony Hind agno3ph...@yahoo.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz? To: t...@heartistrymusic.com, e...@gamutstrings.com, howardpos...@ca.rr.com Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-08 Thread howard posner
On Jan 8, 2012, at 5:17 AM, Christopher Wilke wrote: I find the area of performance practice in the early 20th century to be extremely fascinating. There were a lot of changes that effected the quality of instrumental timbre, but they seem to have happened with little complaint or

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz (tense people)?

2012-01-08 Thread Anthony Hind
2012 15h47 Objet : [LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz? I don't think it was me made the remarks about tense people tuning sharp, it's not an effect I've noticed. Gordon -Original Message- From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-07 Thread Anthony Hind
Thank you all for your responses, and your detailed explanations, Tom. I agree that In fact, that's one reason pitch has risen over the past few hundred years - more string tension = higher volume and brighter sound. Even today some orchestras tune to 442 -444, to take advantage

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-07 Thread Gordon Gregory
...@gamutstrings.com; howardpos...@ca.rr.com Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz? Thank you all for your responses, and your detailed explanations, Tom. I agree that In fact, that's one reason pitch has risen over the past few hundred years - more string

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-07 Thread tom
Thanks Anthony, although it would indeed seem difficult to explain why 433 might be the harmonic frequency of the universe. BTW - they think it's 432 - one vibe-per-second less than your fork. These people have elaborate and mathematical explanations on their

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-06 Thread tom
This is very interesting to me, because an old friend recently alerted me to a new line of thinking claiming that 432Hz OUGHT to be true concert pitch. There are websites devoting a lot of space to articles and discussions about this. http://www.omega432.com/music.html

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-06 Thread Edward Martin
So true. I recall years ago, playing a mandolino in the double Vovaldi concerto, with a modern chamber orchestra. The concertmaster gave a true a=440 to tune all the string players, but most of the string players tuned sharper than that, and they were around 443. I recall in rehearsals

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-06 Thread howard posner
On Jan 6, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Edward Martin wrote: I recall in rehearsals stopping, and inquiring why they did that. They responded that many of the individual violinists tuned sharp, so I can hear myself, and they found that it was easier for them to play that way. The usual answer is

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-06 Thread Edward Martin
How silly is that? Playing sharp _is_ out of tune! At 05:51 PM 1/6/2012, howard posner wrote: On Jan 6, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Edward Martin wrote: I recall in rehearsals stopping, and inquiring why they did that. They responded that many of the individual violinists tuned sharp, so I

[LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?

2012-01-06 Thread howard posner
On Jan 6, 2012, at 4:17 PM, Edward Martin wrote: The usual answer is better sharp than out of tune. How silly is that? Playing sharp _is_ out of tune! Well, it's a joke, but like much humor, it's based in experience. If the orchestra is playing at 441 and the flute player comes in at 442

[LUTE] Re: Tuning issue

2009-07-16 Thread alexander
Try to turn the wound string around (tail to head). If that does not work - it is wounded indeed! and you need the new string. Of course, one can spend some time with a micrometer measuring the string, looking for the twisted part of it, and hoping it is not in the middle of the string. But

[LUTE] Re: Tuning issue

2009-07-16 Thread Martin Shepherd
Dear All, Yes, I agree, try turning the string round. What happens is the string gets worn thinner, especially around the second fret where it gets fingered more often than anywhere else. Gut string users should note that this happens with gut strings as well, so turning the string round

[LUTE] Re: Tuning issue

2009-07-16 Thread demery
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009, Ivo Jancík iv...@trabant.cz said: Hello everybody. I have a tuning problem with my lute, which I don't know how to solve. I have got 8-course lute, G-tuning, 572 mm bridge to nut. My fifth course (C) consists of Nylgut 56 and wounded NG 112D (octave difference).

[LUTE] Re: Tuning issue

2009-07-16 Thread Nicolás Valencia
Hi All, I've got exactly the same problem: same kind of lute, same tuning, same course, same string (which is actually a brand new one)... I wonder if this is not a string problem. Nicolás -Mensaje original- De: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] En nombre de

[LUTE] Re: Tuning issue

2009-07-16 Thread David van Ooijen
Different take on the issue. If you're using a metal-wound (rich in harmonics) on the 5th course of an 8-course lute, there is no reason whatsoever to pair that with an octave string (there only to enrich a dull (gut) bass string with extra harmonics). So, how about replacing the octave string

[LUTE] Re: Tuning issue

2009-07-16 Thread Sean Smith
And the double metal wounds struck together seem to reinforce themselves so they ring f-o-r--e--v---ah ! Uuuwwaawaaaoooo, baby! We 'stuck-in-the-rennaissance-touchy-feely-ropey-gut-types' just have to go to longer lutes to get that kind of sustain-lovin' action.

[LUTE] Re: Tuning issue

2009-07-16 Thread Leonard Williams
Here's another 8 course (all gut) with the out-of-tune fretted 5th (and, once, 6th) course. Took the advice of reversing the string (in this case, the fundamental), and -- presto! no problem. Saved me $20 on a pistoy gut string. The old one had gone false, but in away that reversal

[LUTE] Re: Tuning issue

2009-07-16 Thread Sean Smith
That's a good trick, Leonard, and a real dollar saver. And the strobe could be useful. On a good string in natural light it *should* be difficult to pick out the wavy line of a false string. Still I wonder if the strobe might give you the 'false positive' of a bad string. Obviously I

[LUTE] Re: Tuning issue

2009-07-16 Thread Edward Martin
One thing about gut strings when using a 4th course, or larger diameter, all one has to do is to stick the string through the peg hole. None does not have to make a knot kink it. ed At 06:43 PM 7/16/2009, Sean Smith wrote: Another trick is to never cut the bass fundamental whatever its

[LUTE] Re: Tuning protocol

2008-07-29 Thread jslute
Dear Leonard and All: The wise guys in the New York Continuo Collective generally use G as their tuning standard. When somebody new asks for an A, they reply, eh? Cheers, Jim From: Leonard Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 05:30:29 CDT To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Tuning Down Chantarelle ( was Deuxième tombeau sur la mort de ma chanterelle)

2008-02-12 Thread sterling price
Does anyone else tune down the chanterelle after playing or tie pieces on to broken strings and re-use them? If so, how long does it extend the life of the string? I do this all the time with lower non treble courses that break above the nut. I even use thick non stretchy thread or even

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Tuning Down Chantarelle (was Deuxième tombeau sur la mort de ma chanterelle)

2008-02-12 Thread Edward Martin
It depends on how salvageable the string is. If it broke in the pegbox area and is a good treble, I have no shame in getting further use out of it. I am noticing much longer life lately in gut trebles for my baroque lutes (11 and 13 course), because I tune them lower than usual. ed At

[LUTE] Re: Tuning software for Mac

2007-12-10 Thread Anthony Hind
Leonard Sean Smith gave me information about the Strobe Tuner 1.5 for $15 from Katsura Shareware Sean says, It appears to be Mac _only_ and it's far more exacting than my strings or my ear. It's nice to have the choice of 1/4 or 6th comma, or even equal temp. in any key and/or hertz.

[LUTE] Re: Tuning Blues

2007-11-21 Thread Guy Smith
: Rebecca Banks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 3:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tuning Blues November 21st, 2007 Dear David: Thank you for your kind email. I have already ordered the replacement gut strings from

[LUTE] Re: Tuning Blues

2007-11-21 Thread David Rastall
On Nov 22, 2007, at 12:15 AM, Guy Smith wrote: You should try to get to an LSA seminar, if possible. Next year is in Cleveland, which isn't all that far from Montreal (a good bit closer than Seattle, anyway). You will see all sorts of lutes there, and folks are usually more than happy to

[LUTE] Re: Tuning blues

2007-11-20 Thread David Tayler
A must read. Just say no to Valotti. http://music.cwru.edu/duffin/ dt At 03:56 PM 11/19/2007, you wrote: In case someone doesn't know it, there's an enjoyable paper by Ross Duffin online: Why I hate Valotti (or is it Young?): http://music.cwru.edu/duffin/ Regards, Stephan Am 19 Nov 2007

[LUTE] Re: Tuning blues

2007-11-20 Thread Daniel Winheld
In case someone doesn't know it, there's an enjoyable paper by Ross Duffin online: Why I hate Valotti (or is it Young?): http://music.cwru.edu/duffin/ Regards, Stephan How nice to be validated! Thank you so much for the above reference- great article. When I was actively messing around with

[LUTE] Re: Tuning blues

2007-11-20 Thread Anthony Hind
Dear All After leaving my bag in a motorway cajé with papers some music and Korg OT12 tuner, I was forced, while waiting for it to be sent on to me. (There are some honest people about!), to use my equal temperament Zen-on Chromatina 331 tuner. I bought this 20 years ago. Yes I know I

[LUTE] Re: Tuning blues

2007-11-20 Thread Daniel Winheld
Not me- keep the gimps; and if the Korg keeps giving you trouble tell it you're taking it out for coffee again... Any ideas about this. Yes I know you are going to tell me to swap my gimped for wirewounds!!! and that the Korg is telling me that the string has gone false One big problem with

[LUTE] Re: Tuning blues

2007-11-20 Thread LGS-Europe
In case someone doesn't know it, there's an enjoyable paper by Ross Duffin online: Why I hate Valotti (or is it Young?): http://music.cwru.edu/duffin/ Regards, Stephan How nice to be validated! Thank you so much for the above reference- great article. When I was actively messing around with

[LUTE] Re: Tuning blues

2007-11-20 Thread Anthony Hind
I'll try that David Le 20 nov. 07 à 12:32, Daniel Winheld a écrit : Not me- keep the gimps; and if the Korg keeps giving you trouble tell it you're taking it out for coffee again... Any ideas about this. Yes I know you are going to tell me to swap my gimped for wirewounds!!! and that the

[LUTE] Re: Tuning blues

2007-11-20 Thread Nigel Solomon
Benjamin Stehr wrote: Hi Steward, i choosed a tension that works well in 440 on the extension of my theorbo. Changing to 415 caused the 8th course to touch the fretboard when playing very loud, but putting something under the saddle on the extension (about 1mm) increased the forward pull on

[LUTE] Re: Tuning blues

2007-11-20 Thread Benjamin Stehr
Hi Steward, i choosed a tension that works well in 440 on the extension of my theorbo. Changing to 415 caused the 8th course to touch the fretboard when playing very loud, but putting something under the saddle on the extension (about 1mm) increased the forward pull on the extension so that this

[LUTE] Re: Tuning blues

2007-11-20 Thread Orphenica
End of Tuning blues, http://www.gibson.com/robotguitar/RobotGuitarVideoVoting.aspx hope they will develop it soon for lute. ;-) lute on we Nigel Solomon schrieb: Benjamin Stehr wrote: Hi Steward, i choosed a tension that works well in 440 on the extension of my theorbo. Changing to 415

[LUTE] Re: Tuning blues

2007-11-20 Thread wikla
Hi all, Nigel Solomon wrote: Benjamin Stehr wrote: Do the others on this list change the strings on their instruments between 415 and 440? Big instruments like theorbos don't seem to mind being tuned up or down a semi-tone, a slightly harder or weaker tension doesn't make much

[LUTE] Re: Tuning blues

2007-11-19 Thread howard posner
Ever try just tuning down a semitone and playing a G instrument? On Nov 19, 2007, at 10:03 AM, Stewart McCoy wrote: My theorbo is tuned at A=415, and is not designed to go up to A=440. However, if I need to play at A=440, I get round the problem by turning the 14th course (G) down to

[LUTE] Re: Tuning blues

2007-11-19 Thread howard posner
I know the feeling. For me, every now and then a correct chord creeps in. It's very gratifying when that happens. On Nov 19, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Stewart McCoy wrote: I can happily read figured bass on a G lute and an A theorbo, but when I swap the tunings around, mistakes start to creep in.

[LUTE] Re: Tuning blues

2007-11-19 Thread Stephan Olbertz
In case someone doesn't know it, there's an enjoyable paper by Ross Duffin online: Why I hate Valotti (or is it Young?): http://music.cwru.edu/duffin/ Regards, Stephan Am 19 Nov 2007 um 18:03 hat Stewart McCoy geschrieben: Dear David, The temperament known as Valotti was presumably

[LUTE] Re: Tuning Blues

2007-11-19 Thread Daniel Winheld
Hi Rebecca- love to help, but we need to know the string length. I don't know the extreme limit for a D [EMAIL PROTECTED], but when I had a short scale bass for solo work, I could get up to E @A=440 on 72 cm. w/nylon before the instrument's response pooped out. I usually kept it at 415 to 420

[LUTE] Re: Tuning and temperament

2006-10-03 Thread LGS-Europe
Just found a very interesting interactive educational website dealing with tuning: http://www.j2b.co.uk/tuning/index.html Leonard Very nice! David To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: tuning/modern orchestras/King Kong

2005-12-20 Thread Stuart LeBlanc
]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: tuning/modern orchestras/King Kong At 06:51 PM 12/19/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In einer eMail vom 20.12.2005 00:02:56 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jackson also took the Lord of the Rings a step

[LUTE] Re: tuning

2005-12-19 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
At 07:30 AM 12/18/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But modern or period still does matter, I enjoy listening to Bruckner, Mahler etc. But I don't want to hear it played on a clavichord ! An inaudible lute showing it's extended pegbox is just not good enough for me, I expect a so high a level of

[LUTE] Re: tuning

2005-12-19 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
At 09:26 AM 12/18/2005, Daniel Shoskes wrote: On Dec 18, 2005, at 8:49 AM, Rob MacKillop wrote: . Why am I getting back to the lute? I need one for my new post. I have just become Musician In Residence to a University for 3,500 nurses!!! Hmm. Shades of Antonio Vivaldi? Oops. Please

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