[LUTE] LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

<lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Subject: [LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES I just read that review - the reviewer didn't like the book much... I read the second chapter a while back - about the wire-strung instruments. There are a number

[LUTE] Re: lute tuning

If you want to understand and/or try MT (1/4 or 1/6/ comma) on your Renaissance lute, here is a small DIY I wote some years ago: [1]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com/mean-tone-temperament-for-lute/ I did something similar for Pythagorean tuning (pure fifths, good for Medieval

[LUTE] Re: lute tuning

Thanks Martin, this is really one of the most concise tuning explanations I have read to date! As for lute fretting: In Lüdtke/Schlegel's book it is shown why there are problems with different tunings on the lute, resulting in offset frets on different courses. What I have seen lutists do

[LUTE] Re: lute tuning

On 14.05.2018 21:12, Martin Shepherd wrote: Hi All, Without wishing to prolong a kind of flame war on ET versus everything else, having written the following by way of explanation to someone it occurred to me that it might be useful for others (I've noticed that some people seem to assume

[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

I have read Dolata's book two years ago and found it horribly boring. His mathematical background is that of a schoolboy and I did not manage to read the whole book - I always fell asleep... But this certainly does not mean that everything that he writes is nonsense as the reviewer -

[LUTE] Re: lute tuning

A quite comprehensive and masterful demonstration, Martin ! Thank you !!! Best wishes, Jean-Marie -- >Hi All, > >Without wishing to prolong a kind of flame war on ET versus everything >else, having written the following by way of explanation to someone it >occurred to me that it

[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

<hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu> Date: 5/13/18 5:51 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Andreas Schlegel <lute.cor...@sunrise.ch>, Lutelist Net <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Subject: [LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEV

[LUTE] lute tuning

Hi All, Without wishing to prolong a kind of flame war on ET versus everything else, having written the following by way of explanation to someone it occurred to me that it might be useful for others (I've noticed that some people seem to assume that the fifths and even thirds are perfect in

[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

> On May 13, 2018, at 5:58 PM, jslute wrote: > > My smartphone, which thinks it can spell better than I do, > unaccountably changed "consort" to "comfort." It’s not unaccountable, Jim. It’s what autocorrect does. Its sole function is to make literate people look silly.

[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

com> Date: 5/13/18 5:16 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Cc: lutelist Net <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Subject: [LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES You beat me to it. I was going to comment on the rarity of the words 'cittern', 'tuning

[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

... Indeed, he. Time passed silently while they fretted equally for their future. "I'm afraid we must no longer consort together," he blurted in his perversely mean tone, jumped to the coda and left. The night persisted in storming darkly while tears flowed from her springs, her

[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

> On May 13, 2018, at 2:16 PM, David van Ooijen > wrote: > > You beat me to it. I was going to comment on the rarity of the words > 'cittern', 'tuning' and 'comfort' in one paragraph. Chapter One It was a dark and stormy night outside on the heath outside the

[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

> On May 13, 2018, at 2:51 AM, Martyn Hodgson > wrote: > > Otterstedt's very fine review of Dolata's book in Early Music (December 2017) > does indeed present a very welcome demolition of the current modern fashion > for promoting meantone tunings on the lute.

[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

You beat me to it. I was going to comment on the rarity of the words 'cittern', 'tuning' and 'comfort' in one paragraph. David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On Sun,

[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

> On May 13, 2018, at 5:19 AM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: > > There is plenty of surviving evidence of every perversion, but that doesn’t > imply any aesthetic value thereof. “Perversion” means deviation from normal practice. Unequal fretting of citterns and bandoras appears to have been

[LUTE] Re: Missing link? Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

s.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Sunday, 13 May 2018, 10:57 Subject: [LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES Dear Andreas, Yes - Otterstedt's very fine review of Dolata's book in Early Music (December 2017) does indeed present a very welcome demolit

[LUTE] Missing link? Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

. MH - Forwarded Message - From: Martyn Hodgson <hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu> To: Andreas Schlegel <lute.cor...@sunrise.ch>; Lutelist Net <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Sunday, 13 May 2018, 10:57 Subject: [LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMEN

[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

der list. > regards, > Martyn > > From: Andreas Schlegel <lute.cor...@sunrise.ch> > To: Martyn Hodgson <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> > Sent: Saturday, 12 May 2018, 9:26 > Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH > AND S

[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

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[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

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[LUTE] LUTE TUNING Sorry - my reply without strange format instructions

There’s a very big diffrence between the very long sounding metal strings and the instrumente with gut strings, which can be heard in orchestras only with the attack and very rarely with the sound. Andreas To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

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[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

mind me copying this reply to the wider list. regards, Martyn From: Andreas Schlegel <lute.cor...@sunrise.ch> To: Martyn Hodgson <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> Sent: Saturday, 12 May 2018, 9:26 Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEEN

[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

OK, I understand; you don't like keyboards. Best, Matthew On 12/05/2018 15:21, Ron Andrico wrote: Think about it. With the lute, we have an instrument that is simplicity itself. Tuning pegs are within reach and frets are easily adjustable if one has to play near wind instruments

[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

"Let me just open the window to get some fresh air in" - "Noo!!!" How stable is such a fine tuning? Any experience? How do harpsichords perform in "historical" settings with original windows and walls compared to modern room climates? Seriously, 36 keys is pretty overkill... Even the

[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

I agree with the idea that equal temperament was probably used by lutenists in the 16th century but how do you come to the conclusion that keyboard instruments lack flexibility for tuning compared to lutes? I would have thought exactly the contrary. There is a tuning pin for every note and some

[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

ocus on the 'old' lute tuning, ignores the special considerations which must be made for the new lute tunings (especially the Dm tuning) which require very good unison tuning to the next higher open course on three adjacent frets (third, fourth and fifth) - as frequently found in composit

[LUTE] LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

Can we put this link up on G and D Dissertation by Adam Weed, Lute Tuning and Temperament in the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Centuries (title in italics) I have no idea if this is well known: https://scholarworks.iu.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2022/18424/Wead%2C%20Adam%20%28DM%20EMI%29.pdf

[LUTE] LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

Sorry this went to the wrong place. Nancy Dissertation by Adam Weed, Lute Tuning and Temperament in the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Centuries (title in italics) I have no idea if this is well known: https://scholarworks.iu.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2022/18424/Wead%2C%20Adam%20%28DM%20EMI%29

[LUTE] LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

Dear lute netters, I have no idea if this is well known: https://scholarworks.iu.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2022/18424/Wead%2C%20Adam%20%28DM%20EMI%29.pdf?sequence=1=y Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Tuning

A question perhaps better posed on a bowed string forum, but I'm confident someone here can help me. When tuning my cello with a Korg chromatic electronic tuner, what pitches am I tuning to? Is it tempered tuning? The reason I ask is that though I usually tune the A string from the tuner and

[LUTE] tuning of Bolivian guitarita?

Friends bought this in Boliva, anybody knows how it's tuned? David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Tuning questions

like the notes in the video, and they match on the tuner what I've read about standard baroque lute tuning. Now, my question is about the pegs and the proper way to turn them. At first it seemed that the pegs were impossible to turn at all. In some cases, turning it the opposite way (lowering

[LUTE] tuning fork at 433Hz?

Dear luthenists A friend gave me an amusing tuning fork, which is clearly of some age. I am not (here) in a position to be able to load a photo of it, but it fits into a tight wooden case, and at the end of this there is a hollow metal peg. I quickly realized that if you

[LUTE] Tuning issue

Hello everybody. I have a tuning problem with my lute, which I don't know how to solve. I have got 8-course lute, G-tuning, 572 mm bridge to nut. My fifth course (C) consists of Nylgut 56 and wounded NG 112D (octave difference). After fine tuning the untouched course (both in tune, c+C), the

[LUTE] Tuning of small theorboes

The answer, which many seem to be very reluctant to accept despite the clear evidence, is to play one of these small theorboes in nominal A or G but with just the first course tuned down the octave. However, as others have also pointed out, the bass register especially will be

[LUTE] Tuning blues

Dear Benjamin, Thanks for the advice. The problems I have with A=440 and A-415 are very much to do with my particular instrument. The long neck for the diapasons is very thin and delicate - probably slightly too thin - so increasing the tension without changing the strings could cause damage.

[LUTE] Tuning blues

] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:41 AM Subject: [LUTE] tuning blues Bad tuning karma weekend. Saturday Alexander's Feast by Handel. Baroque orchestra at 415 Valotti. Who invented Valotti? Not a lute player I presume. In the break we had to move to another part of the church

[LUTE] Tuning blues

Dear Howard, Yes. I tuned the theorbo down to G in 1995 for Purcell concerts involving music in flat keys. However, to be safe, I resorted to copying the music out in tablature. I can happily read figured bass on a G lute and an A theorbo, but when I swap the tunings around, mistakes start to

[LUTE] Tuning and temperament

Just found a very interesting interactive educational website dealing with tuning: http://www.j2b.co.uk/tuning/index.html Hope it helps those who need it (like me!). Regards Leonard Williams To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Baroque lute tuning for Bach lute(?) works.

- Original Message - From: Ken Brodkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, May 5, 2006 3:04 pm Subject: [LUTE] Re: Baroque lute tuning for Bach lute(?) works. But, If a guitarist wants to play Bach or Weiss, he or she shouldn't be discouraged. The music ultimately transcends

[LUTE] Re: Baroque lute tuning for Bach lute(?) works.

- Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, May 5, 2006 3:48 pm Subject: [LUTE] Re: Baroque lute tuning for Bach lute(?) works. But, If a guitarist wants to play Bach or Weiss, he or she shouldn't be discouraged. I think they should be, by any means

[LUTE] Re: Baroque lute tuning for Bach lute(?) works.

But, If a guitarist wants to play Bach or Weiss, he or she shouldn't be discouraged. I think they should be, by any means possible. Moreover shey should sign an affidavit by which they'd promise not to come within a 100 yard radius of any pre-1800's music. They can do Carculli, Targuado

[LUTE] Re: Baroque lute tuning for Bach lute(?) works.

Dear Juan, thanks for your post. It's interesting to see what tunings Yepes used to try to make the works more idiomatic in playing. I noticed that not all of his tunings are on the fancy side, 995, 999 and 1000 are in the usual tuning and for 996 he has just tuned the whole lute one tone

[LUTE] Re: Baroque lute tuning for Bach lute(?) works.

I want to thank all of you because your very interesting comments in this thread. My only purpose was to tell about I'm a bit astonished in my very short experience as baroque lutenist -less than 2 months- by the fact that playing Bach lute works in a baroque lute is not as simple as I could hope.

[LUTE] Baroque lute tuning for Bach lute(?) works.

Dear lutenists: I'm posting these two images containing the tuning used by Narciso Yepes to play Bach lute works. http://personales.ya.com/jfppal/Afinaciones_Bach_Yepes_01.jpg http://personales.ya.com/jfppal/Afinaciones_Bach_Yepes_02.jpg This is hard to find and comes from the vinyl version

[LUTE] Re: Baroque lute tuning for Bach lute(?) works.

Dear lutenists: I'm posting these two images containing the tuning used by Narciso Yepes to play Bach lute works. http://personales.ya.com/jfppal/Afinaciones_Bach_Yepes_01.jpg http://personales.ya.com/jfppal/Afinaciones_Bach_Yepes_02.jpg This is hard to find and comes from the vinyl

[LUTE] Re: Baroque lute tuning for Bach lute(?) works.

Juan Fco. Prieto wrote: A good try and approaching in any case, but detested by purists, obviously. I was no purist at the time, but I thought Yepes' performance brought a new meaning to the word choppy. To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Baroque lute tuning for Bach lute(?) works.

Question regarding the lute suites in general. Why is it that everyone refers to all of these works as suites? The g minor and e minor suites as just that. BWV 1006a, however, is an arrangement of the solo violin PARTITA in E major (We don't call it a Violin Suite do we?) and the c minor work

[LUTE] Re: Baroque lute tuning for Bach lute(?) works.

On Friday, May 5, 2006, at 08:43 America/Los_Angeles, Roman Turovsky wrote: I was no purist at the time, but I thought Yepes' performance brought a new meaning to the word choppy. But still smooth, compared to Podolsky. Probably true, though if my memory of Podolsky's recordings serves,

[LUTE] Re: Baroque lute tuning for Bach lute(?) works.

, something like this seems like a reasonable alternative. Ken Brodkey -Original Message- From: Roman Turovsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 5:40 AM To: lutelist; Juan Fco. Prieto Subject: [LUTE] Re: Baroque lute tuning for Bach lute(?) works. The problem with guitar

[LUTE] Re: Baroque lute tuning for Bach lute(?) works.

; Juan Fco. Prieto Subject: [LUTE] Re: Baroque lute tuning for Bach lute(?) works. The problem with guitar is that its very sound is profoundly inappropriate for the music, notwithstanding fine efforts of Baltazar Benitez, for example. And Eduardo Egüez plays JSB so well that the questions

[LUTE] tuning machine and Violab Pitchman

Hello again, regarding my question about a review of the Violab Pitchman tuning machine, I've found it! It's in Lute News 74 (July 2005), by Chris Goodwin himself. The magazine was buried under a staple of books... regards, Manolo Laguillo -- To get on or off this list see list information

[LUTE] tuning

Are there any 17th-century documents or other evidence on tunings used for fretted continuo instruments when playing with a keyboard instrument? And what is the current practice when playing with a meantone keyboard? Thanks, Dennis To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] tuning in 19th century London (how they did it)

Forwarded message: From: Jon Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LUTE] Re: OT: tuning in 19th century London But that leads me to a question for you all. How did they know? In the absence of modern measuring equipment how could one tell the actual frequency of the vibrations? I doubt