Now that I've opened the possibility of being cast out I'm going to forward
the dialog between Music Makers and myself regarding Jerry's "flat back
lute". I apologise for a late night message to Jerry that may be a bit "over
the top" i my judgements (and I realize there is a value to changing the
temperament - it is not a canard - but unlikely to be useful to all
players).  I'd had a few beers when I wrote mine to Jerry, but if I edit out
all the possibly offensive parts of my message I'd lose the context.

Best, Jon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Musicmaker's Kits, Inc." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jon Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: lutes


> Dear Jon,
>
> Thanks for passing along the opinions from the Lute list.  My email was
down
> last Friday, so I didn't get to reply until this morning.  I am completely
aware of all the
> criticisms of our flat-back instrument, and I'll give you the reasons for
our straying from
> tradition.
>
> > They are purists, they don't want fixed frets, they want to tie gut
around
> > the fingerboard neck. (Don't ask me why, they speak of the flexibiliry
of
> > equal tempered versus natural temperament, but that is a canard, it
would
> > mean "squidging" the tied fret in the way that a violinist can work the
> > unfretted fingerboard, and then "squidging" it back. I'm getting pretty
> > good on the retuned guitar with Ronn's book.
>
> We decided on fixed frets because most of our customers wil be beginners
at this
> instrument, just like you will be.  Tying gut strings around the neck and
adjusting them
> for proper intonation would send most beginners over the hill, including
me.  As you
> suggest, it is no problem to slide some notes if a person wants to, even
with fixed
> frets.  We think the maple strips make a neat "intermediate" compromise
between gut
> strings and the modern metal frets.  They require some sanding to level
the tops and
> round over the edges, but they work very well and look quite distinctive.
>
> > I think I know the reasons, and they come from the rather fixated
> > traditionalists. They have clearly expressed that they don't like the
> > "saddle bridge". I asked what that was and they told me it was the
> > classical guitar bridge - the lute has no "bridge", just a bridge where
the
> > strings pull directly from the holes in the "bridge piece". I don't
think
> > I'd like to have an instrument with a direct horizontal pull with no
down
> > pressure on the "saddle". Would have to have damned good glue.
>
> We are selling mostly to woodworking hobbyists who have varying ability to
achieve a
> perfectly flat surface from the peghead end of the neck to the point where
the bridge is
> installed.  Adding a saddle to the bridge simply gives these amateur
builders the
> means to raise and lower the string action as needed.  Seems like a silly
feature to get
> upset about.  I think it also enhances the transfer of string vibration to
the soundboard,
> but I may be wrong.
>
> > They don't like the "rock guitar" extension of the treble of the
> > fingerboard. Look carefully at the cover picture of Ronn McFarlane's
book,
> > you will see that treble extension fixed into the sound board. And you
will
> > see that the fingerboard is flush with the sound board to make that
work.
> > That configuration would bring the strings lower to the soundboard,
through
> > their entire length, than on your design. I have no idea what the effect
on
> > the sound would be.
>
> We debated going without a fretboard, but again, the problems that would
give the
> amateur builder seemed to us to be too risky.  The use of a separate thin
board on top
> of the neck allows for a much simpler joint between the neck and body
(hidden under
> the fretboard) and gives the builder much more flexibility for leveling
the playing
> surface of the instrument.
>
> > I have asked for feedback, and I may get it. It is too early to tell.
I've
> > also asked a number of other questions, and will let you know when I
hear
> > back. It is my opinion that the Lute Society of America is a bunch of
> > European snobs that don't realize that all instruments develop over
time.
> > And they are fixated in the sixteenth century. I've had conversations
with
> > them on Elizabethan pronounciations versus some earlier things, such as
> > Chaucer.
>
> I agree with your assessment of the Lute Society.  It is not unlike the
American Harp
> Society snubbing their noses at lever harps.
>
> When we first began producing Lute kits a few years ago, our string
spacing was too
> narrow for easy playing, but we've corrected that.  We also started with
strings that
> were not up to par, but we now supply very nice custom strings from
LaBella.  I was
> concerned that you might hear feedback about those early problems, but it
seems as
> though the people who are critiquing our instrument are mainly concerned
with
> appearances.  Perhaps they've never actually tried one out for playability
and sound
> production.  Frankly, I think there is a place for a "beginner" instrument
in that field of
> music.  Too bad the pros are so high and mighty about it.
>
> --Jerry-------------------------------------------------------------
>  Musicmaker's Kits, Inc.           [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   P.O. Box 2117              http://www.musikit.com
> Stillwater, MN  55082                 (651)439-9120
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>
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