[LUTE] Re: theorbo strings

2007-10-24 Thread David Tayler
is a factor and whether you choose a low F or not. But at 170 cm you should get enough sound, so it is then the break in time or the way the soundboard is registering the low notes. For continuo I have to have a low F. BUT Those low theorbo gut strings really need quite a while to settle

[LUTE] Rép : [LUTE] theorbo strings

2007-10-24 Thread Anthony Hind
. In fact this was to such an extent that a person who plays my lute regularly thought I had changed the bass string too. Regards Anthony Le 23 oct. 07 à 23:24, Nigel Solomon a écrit : I have just put gut strings on the long basses on my theorbo (170 cm), they all sound great except the 13th

[LUTE] Re: theorbo strings

2007-10-23 Thread Edward Martin
it, it sounds better. With a major change in string material, a change in your perception of clarity of sound will come. My 2 cents worth. ed At 11:24 PM 10/23/2007 +0200, Nigel Solomon wrote: I have just put gut strings on the long basses on my theorbo (170 cm), they all sound great except

[LUTE] theorbo string tension

2007-10-02 Thread Nigel Solomon
My theorbo is 85/170, I'm thinking of putting 5 kg string (the 4.2 I have at present seems a bit low). How much tension do people put on their large theorbos? My idea would be to put 5 kg for 440 and keep the same strings for 415 (which would give around 4.5 kg), which is the pitch I keep

[LUTE] Re: theorbo string tension

2007-10-02 Thread Benjamin Stehr
Hi, These are the tensions i use on my theorbo (83/167) - hope that helps. I calculated the strings for 440 but use the same strings for 415 and actually prefer the instrument in 415 with these strings on. Anyway, you might want to check with your lute maker - i am pretty sure that on my

[LUTE] Theorbo and Vihuela for sale

2007-08-03 Thread Anton Birula
Theorbo by Martin de Witte 2006 for sale Vihuela by M. Fedchenko 2006 for sale. Solid good instruments, come with hard cases. Please contact me for more information. Anton Birula Choose the right car

[LUTE] German Continuo Theorbo

2007-07-28 Thread Rob
I've added an introductory overview of the German Continuo Theorbo to my website. Does anyone play this instrument, or with this tuning? Rob MacKillop www.rmguitar.info -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: German Continuo Theorbo

2007-07-28 Thread LGS-Europe
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 9:46 AM Subject: [LUTE] German Continuo Theorbo I've added an introductory overview of the German Continuo Theorbo to my website. Does anyone play this instrument, or with this tuning? Rob MacKillop www.rmguitar.info -- To get on or off this list

[LUTE] Re: German Continuo Theorbo

2007-07-28 Thread Rob
I know baroque lute players who play continuo on their instruments, does that qualify? No...related, maybe, but I'm really looking for chanterelle-less dm tuning for continuo. Rob To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: German Continuo Theorbo

2007-07-28 Thread Rob
July 2007 10:40 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: German Continuo Theorbo Tim Burris, when in The Hague, was doing it. Benjamin Narvey, who wrote the article in the LSA about it, does it. I know baroque lute players who play continuo on their instruments, does

[LUTE] Re: German Continuo Theorbo

2007-07-28 Thread Roman Turovsky
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 8:18 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: German Continuo Theorbo It would also be of interest to locate a solo song repertoire from Weiss's time. Any guidance? Any recordings? Just solo voice and continuo bass. And a reference

[LUTE] Re: German Continuo Theorbo

2007-07-28 Thread Roman Turovsky
You might also want to look in Max Friedlander's Das Deutsche Lied, which should be at QMC lib. RT - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 8:29 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: German Continuo Theorbo

[LUTE] Re: German Continuo Theorbo

2007-07-28 Thread David Rastall
On Jul 28, 2007, at 3:46 AM, Rob wrote: I've added an introductory overview of the German Continuo Theorbo to my website. Does anyone play this instrument, or with this tuning? Hi Rob et al., I have one of those large Edlinger 13c instruments: 75.5 x 83cm. I've thought about using

[LUTE] Re: German Continuo Theorbo

2007-07-28 Thread David Van Edwards
At 10:44 -0400 28/7/07, David Rastall wrote: Another question is: Do you think that 83cm at the bass rider is long enough to use single bass stringing? Only with modern overwound strings! David -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603

[LUTE] Re: Holborne, was Theorbo tutor

2007-07-05 Thread Stephan Olbertz
Am 4 Jul 2007 um 10:55 hat Arthur Ness geschrieben: What is needed is a central clearing house (like Magnatunes for CDs) for these specialized lute publications being issued by the societies, and persons like Dick Hoban, Albert Reyerman, Andi Schlegel, Richard Darsie et al. Hi Arthur,

[LUTE] Re: Holborne, was Theorbo tutor

2007-07-04 Thread Arthur Ness
to the World Catalogue: http://worldcat.org/searchbox/searchbox.jsp?ai=Arthur_Arthur_Ness AJN. - Original Message - From: Stephan Olbertz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 4:03 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Holborne, was Theorbo tutor Dear Stewart, you are right

[LUTE] Re: Flying theorbo

2007-07-01 Thread David Tayler
I would like to confirm as I fly very often with the theorbo with the extra seat, that few of my theorbos will fit in in either the budget planes or the new fuel efficient models that also have a lower overhead compartment. It is a real problem. dt At 02:44 AM 6/26/2007, you wrote: Dear All

[LUTE] Flying theorbo

2007-06-26 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear All, I apologise for the blatant advertising but some of you may be interested in seeing the folding theorbo I have recently made for Lynda Sayce, which is designed to pack up small enough to fit into a standard airline seat. http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/40a.htm This has been a long time

[LUTE] Re: Flying theorbo

2007-06-26 Thread Arthur Ness
Dear David, Now will your next theorbo be made out of mylar? We had that wonderful exhibition of 129 guitars at the Museum of Fine Arts here in Boston. 140,000 people saw the exhibition. You've probably seen the book based on it, Dangerous Curves, by Darcie Kuronen, the curator Anyway

[LUTE] Re: Flying theorbo

2007-06-26 Thread LGS-Europe
Well done! But scary pics as well ... Martin de Witte, lute maker from the Netherlands, has made something similar for an ex-student of mine, Hank Heijink, some years ago. He flies with it around the world. And years before that Toyohiko used to have a theorbo that didn't fit into his sportscar

[LUTE] Re: Flying theorbo

2007-06-26 Thread LGS-Europe
at fifth and seventh 'fret' positions, a very convenient visual aid, as a shamisen doesn't have frets. Just likes David van Edwards' foldable theorbo, the strings are kept at bridge and pegs for greater convenience and longevity. David - Original Message - From: David Van Edwards [EMAIL

[LUTE] Re: Flying theorbo

2007-06-26 Thread Martin Shepherd
Dear David, Thanks for sharing this - it's fantastic! Martin David Van Edwards wrote: Dear All, I apologise for the blatant advertising but some of you may be interested in seeing the folding theorbo I have recently made for Lynda Sayce, which is designed to pack up small enough to fit

[LUTE] Re: Flying theorbo

2007-06-26 Thread David Van Edwards
hairlines exactly at fifth and seventh 'fret' positions, a very convenient visual aid, as a shamisen doesn't have frets. Just likes David van Edwards' foldable theorbo, the strings are kept at bridge and pegs for greater convenience and longevity. David -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich

[LUTE] Re: The mystery of theorbo pieces by Melij?

2007-06-19 Thread Martyn Hodgson
The tuning of the tiorba for M's music was discussed at length some time ago - you'll find it in the archives. Despite some wishful thinking, there's no historical evidence for octave stringing on the 2nd and, if we use a proper size instrument (ie not an implausible 'toy' theorbo

[LUTE] The mystery of theorbo: some physics

2007-06-19 Thread tiorba
Martyn Hodgson wrote: [...] if we use a proper size instrument (ie not an implausible 'toy' theorbo), against the laws of physics. Let's assume a string lenght of 80 cm. It's not a toy, but a theorbo usable for solo music (i.e. the Mantuan 18 courses instrument). The 'breaking index' for gut

[LUTE] Re: The mystery of theorbo: some physics

2007-06-19 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Like all lutes, theorboes were pitched according to size so as to get the best sound from the lowest fingered plain gut strings (usually 6th course on theorboes) whilst remaining within the working stress of the highest course (usually 3rd). Accordingly your small theorbo (if existing

[LUTE] Re: The mystery of theorbo

2007-06-19 Thread Arto Wikla
Ciao all, Regarding the 'historical evidence', we mus suppose an alternative tuning, not only for Meli, but also for Pittoni. So, as far I understand, the tuning of Melij and Pittoni still today is a mystery... :-) All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] The mystery of the unhistorical theorbo

2007-06-19 Thread tiorba
My theorbo (copy of an original by Matteo Sellas) is 80/161. The size is quite usual in historical instruments. I can't imagine playing Castaldi or Kapsberger on a 95 cm instrument... Also I can't imagine to have an instrument for any single pitch ! My instrument is stringed with plain gut

[LUTE] Re: The mystery of the unhistorical theorbo

2007-06-19 Thread David Van Edwards
At 14:16 +0200 19/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My theorbo (copy of an original by Matteo Sellas) is 80/161. The size is quite usual in historical instruments. snip Diego Cantalupi Dear Diego, Which Sellas original is it copied from? I can't find any of that size. There's the small one

[LUTE] Re: The mystery of the unhistorical theorbo

2007-06-19 Thread chriswilke
Diego and all, --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, most of the survived instruments (and also my theorbo) can mount double strings. From this I can assume that we all play unhistorically single mounted theorbos... Actually, there's quite clear iconographic evidence to support single

[LUTE] The mystery of theorbo pieces by Melij?

2007-06-18 Thread wikla
Dear lutenists, what might be the current opinion of the pieces Per la Tiorba in the Libro Quinto of P.P. Melli? Just played them through by theorbo and by archlute: Both are problematic, but I think archlute has less problems! Any recent research? All the best, Arto To get on or off

[LUTE] Re: The mystery of theorbo pieces by Melij?

2007-06-18 Thread Mathias Rösel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: what might be the current opinion of the pieces Per la Tiorba in the Libro Quinto of P.P. Melli? Just played them through by theorbo and by archlute: Both are problematic, but I think archlute has less problems! Any recent research? One suggestion I heard

[LUTE] Re: The mystery of theorbo pieces by Melij?

2007-06-18 Thread Howard Posner
On Monday, Jun 18, 2007, at 17:21 America/Los_Angeles, Mathias Rösel wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Any recent research? One suggestion I heard of is that both fundamental and and octave strings are required for the 1st and 2nd courses. Not so recent any more, but Andrea Damiani's

[LUTE] Re: Holborne, was Theorbo tutor

2007-05-21 Thread Stephan Olbertz
, was Theorbo tutor By looking through the Utorpheus pages I noticed that they have a brand new Holborne edition available. Can anyone imagine why this would be necessary in our small lute world? We have an excellent one by Rainer aus dem Spring, published by the English lute society

[LUTE] Re: Holborne, was Theorbo tutor

2007-05-20 Thread Stephan Olbertz
May 2007 um 14:41 hat Bernd Haegemann geschrieben: Players: Luciano Còntini, Francesca Torelli When I had a look at Signora Torellis homepage http://www.francescatorelli.com/ I found out that she brought out just now a theorbo tutor. Perhaps of interest for some of us. (I get

[LUTE] Re: theorbo

2007-05-05 Thread LGS-Europe
@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 11:36 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: theorbo Nigel, I'm going to leave the virtually the same instrument part out of the question for the moment. The whole debate over double vs. single string as well as Italian vs. French performance practice could get

[LUTE] Re: theorbo

2007-05-05 Thread chriswilke
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nigel Solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 11:36 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: theorbo Nigel, I'm going to leave the virtually the same instrument part out of the question for the moment. The whole debate

[LUTE] Re: theorbo

2007-05-05 Thread chriswilke
Ed, Wow, thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it. And wha timing - I need to mention one important thing in conjunction with this album, however. Charles Hurel: Works for Theorbo; Christopher Wilke, theorbo, formerly a self-release with a different title, is now available with Centaur Records

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's theorbo AND TIORBA NOTATION

2007-05-04 Thread Martyn Hodgson
that an edition Bartolloti's theorbo music has been published by the French Lute Society but in this it seems that these figures have been either edited out or misinterpreted (as in (a) below) without comment.. Martyn Hodgson Martyn Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 3 May 2007

[LUTE] Re: theorbo

2007-05-04 Thread Shaun Ng
- mostly point towards a lower pitch, i.e. a darker sound. I am sure players who own both a large Italian and smaller continuo French theorbo will notice this difference with their thicker strings and shorter string lengths on their French instruments. Jorge can argue his point

[LUTE] Re: theorbo

2007-05-04 Thread Mathias Rösel
as late as Weiss mentioned it when he wrote to Mattheson that the theorbo and arciliuto are played with nails, while the lute was played with the fingertips. As for Mr de Visee's playing thorough bass, I simply don't know evidence of which way he used the theorbo. The construction of most instruments

[LUTE] Re: theorbo

2007-05-04 Thread David Rastall
On May 4, 2007, at 11:07 AM, Howard Posner wrote: You might easily get the impression from recent threads that sometime in the third week of June 1601 lute players all abandoned thumb-in and started playing thumb-out. Hi Howard. Actually, it was the fourth week. My impression (gathered

[LUTE] Re: theorbo

2007-05-03 Thread Mathias Rösel
Does this mean we should not use the same right hand technique to play the theorbo (chitaronne) pieces by Piccinini as for De Viséé over a century later, If Piccinini died in 1639 and Visee flourished around 1700, there are some 60 years between them. Piccinini tells his readers how to play

[LUTE] Re: theorbo

2007-05-03 Thread chriswilke
, Hurel and de Visee. What I do is basically thumb-over using thumb-index-middle maybe 75-80% of the time. The re-entrant tuning of the theorbo means that I use the ring finger more frequently on theorbo than, say, baroque lute. We know that Kapsberger did not use the right hand ring finger

[LUTE] Re: theorbo

2007-05-03 Thread Edward Martin
I am glad you mentioned Hurel, Chris. I want to say that your theorbo CD of Hurel is excellent, and I encourage those on this list without a copy can get it from the Lute Society of America. It is a welcome edition to recorded theorbo CD's! Well done! ed At 02:36 PM 5/3/2007 -0700, [EMAIL

[LUTE] F1 and theorbo... ;-)

2007-04-09 Thread Arto Wikla
) And it is much more common to play the theorbo! ;)) Arto -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Passacaglia for theorbo

2007-02-25 Thread Taco Walstra
On Sunday 25 February 2007 18:13, you wrote: On occasion of her 305th birthday, Alessia Aldobrandini gave me a new piece, passacaglia per tiorba. Tab and midi on http://www.webalice.it/dg3011/index.htm enjoy! ( A version for baroque lute will follow) and perhaps the youtube version... ?

[LUTE] Re: Passacaglia for theorbo

2007-02-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
On Sunday 25 February 2007 18:13, you wrote: On occasion of her 305th birthday, Alessia Aldobrandini gave me a new piece, passacaglia per tiorba. Tab and midi on http://www.webalice.it/dg3011/index.htm enjoy! ( A version for baroque lute will follow) and perhaps the youtube version... ?

[LUTE] Re: Passacaglia for theorbo

2007-02-25 Thread Donatella Galletti
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 8:11 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Passacaglia for theorbo On Sunday 25 February 2007 18:13, you wrote: On occasion of her 305th birthday, Alessia Aldobrandini gave me a new piece, passacaglia per tiorba. Tab and midi on http://www.webalice.it/dg3011/index.htm

[LUTE] Re: Passacaglia for theorbo

2007-02-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
for theorbo On occasion of her 305th birthday, Alessia Aldobrandini gave me a new piece, passacaglia per tiorba. Tab and midi on http://www.webalice.it/dg3011/index.htm enjoy! ( A version for baroque lute will follow) Donatella http://web.tiscali.it/awebd To get on or off

[LUTE] Re: Passacaglia for theorbo

2007-02-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
Sorry, private message went to the list... RT - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Donatella Galletti [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Passacaglia for theorbo Prima di

[LUTE] Re: Passacaglia for theorbo

2007-02-25 Thread Donatella Galletti
Roman was asking to set proportional spacing. Tomorrow , per gli esteti ( it's night here) Donatella - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 10:31 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Passacaglia for theorbo

[LUTE] Re: Rivera's Bach for theorbo

2007-02-19 Thread LGS-Europe
a sample page to give me an idea how many basses and or chords he has added? When listening to the cd it souds like he's been rather modest with adding notes to the cello's part. David I don't know about introductions etiquette and the like on this list, but I'm a recent member, lute, theorbo

[LUTE] Re: Rivera's Bach for theorbo

2007-02-18 Thread Jelma van Amersfoort
, but I'm a recent member, lute, theorbo and (early) guitar player from Amsterdam. I have been following all the recent discussions with great interest! Greetings from Amsterdam, Jelma van Amersfoort On 2/18/07, LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are Juan Carlos Rivera's arrangements of cello suites

[LUTE] Re: Recordings of theorbo pieces from Saizenay Ms

2007-01-18 Thread Juan Fco. Prieto
]: Hi, can anybody recommend a nice recording of the theorbo pieces from Robert de Visee (Saizenay Ms.)? After a quik search it looks like the few recordings that seem to exist are no longer available. Thanks, Benjamin To get on or off this list see list information at http

[LUTE] Recordings of theorbo pieces from Saizenay Ms

2007-01-17 Thread Benjamin Stehr
Hi, can anybody recommend a nice recording of the theorbo pieces from Robert de Visée (Saizenay Ms.)? After a quik search it looks like the few recordings that seem to exist are no longer available. Thanks, Benjamin To get on or off this list see list information at http

[LUTE] Re: Recordings of theorbo pieces from Saizenay Ms

2007-01-17 Thread Benjamin Stehr
Hi, I like the Jose Miguel Moreno plays of Robert de Visée. Yes, i listened to it on amazon, but that seems to be one of those which are no longer available :-) Benjamin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Recordings of theorbo pieces from Saizenay Ms

2007-01-17 Thread Luca Manassero
Hi, try this one on Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/Visee-Pieces-Theorbe-Robert/dp/B017LN/sr=1-2/qid=1169030127/ref=sr_1_2/105-6836316-2654830?ie=UTF8s=music It is an old Hopkinson Smith recording, but it's still valid in my opinion. Luca Benjamin Stehr on 17-01-2007 11:04 wrote: Hi,

[LUTE] Re: Recordings of theorbo pieces from Saizenay Ms

2007-01-17 Thread Benjamin Stehr
Hi, http://www.amazon.com/Visee-Pieces-Theorbe- Robert/dp/B017LN/sr=1-2/qid=1169030127/ref=sr_1_2/105- 6836316-2654830?ie=UTF8s=music Thanks for the link! I will try to find it on one of the other stores 90 USD or 81 pounds on amazon.co.uk - crazy... Benjamin It is an old Hopkinson

[LUTE] Re: Recordings of theorbo pieces from Saizenay Ms

2007-01-17 Thread Roman Turovsky
There is one in print, with Vincent Dumestre. RT - Original Message - From: Benjamin Stehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 5:04 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Recordings of theorbo pieces from Saizenay Ms Hi, I like the Jose

[LUTE] Re: Recordings of theorbo pieces from Saizenay Ms

2007-01-17 Thread Ed Durbrow
On Jan 17, 2007, at 7:51 PM, Benjamin Stehr wrote: Hi, can anybody recommend a nice recording of the theorbo pieces from Robert de Visée (Saizenay Ms.)? Not sure if all or any of the pieces come from the Saizenay MS, but you would have a hard time to do better than the CD by Yaunoe

[LUTE] Re: Recordings of theorbo pieces from Saizenay Ms

2007-01-17 Thread David Rastall
I saw that on Amazon. That price is totally crazy!! Presumably it's out of print...? David R [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rastallmusic.com On Jan 17, 2007, at 5:55 AM, Benjamin Stehr wrote: Hi, http://www.amazon.com/Visee-Pieces-Theorbe-

[LUTE] Re: Recordings of theorbo pieces from Saizenay Ms

2007-01-17 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
At 07:13 AM 1/17/2007, Ed Durbrow wrote: On Jan 17, 2007, at 7:51 PM, Benjamin Stehr wrote: Hi, can anybody recommend a nice recording of the theorbo pieces from Robert de Visée (Saizenay Ms.)? Not sure if all or any of the pieces come from the Saizenay MS, but you would have a hard

[LUTE] Re: Recordings of theorbo pieces from Saizenay Ms

2007-01-17 Thread Ed Durbrow
On Jan 18, 2007, at 1:12 AM, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote: I think you mean Yasunori Imamura (at least that's how it's Anglicized on his Capriccio release). Of course I did. Stupid fingers! Just like my lute playing. I really like that disc, especially Imamura's interpretation of the

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Sign in Theorbo ms.

2006-10-29 Thread Mathias Rösel
Dear Collected Wisdom, some pieces of the Goess theorbo ms. bear a sign which resembles a quaver break in modern staff notation. At first glance, I often misinterpreted it as a cross, but it isn't a cross. More often than not, it appears with dotted notes. Is it a break (short taking of breath

[LUTE] Lully's Marche now also for theorbo! Very re-entrant! ;-)

2006-10-18 Thread Arto Wikla
Dear fellow lutenists, at last I had time to make also a theorbo version of the wonderful Marche pour la Ceremonie des Turcs composed by Lully! Actually it works quite well on the instrument. :-) My theorbo transcription uses lots and LOTS of the campanella effect that is made possible

[LUTE] Re: Lully's Marche now also for theorbo! Very re-entrant! ;-)

2006-10-18 Thread Arto Wikla
Hi Roman and all, On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, Roman Turovsky wrote: A 11-13course version is at http://polyhymnion.org/swv/opus-2.html Roman, you were very fast, indeed! May I put a link to my Lully/Marche page? Or perhaps put even a copy directly to my directory? (with a link to polyhymnion, of

[LUTE] Lully's Marche now also for theorbo! Very re-entrant! ;-)

2006-10-18 Thread Stewart McCoy
on the theorbo, or omitting notes which go too high, you could call it an arrangement, but I think I would stick to the word intabulation. I hope that helps. All the best, Stewart McCoy. - Original Message - From: Arto Wikla [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday

[LUTE] Re: Lully's Marche now also for theorbo! Very re-entrant! ;-)

2006-10-18 Thread Howard Posner
On Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006, at 13:21 America/Los_Angeles, Stewart McCoy wrote: A transcription involves copying music from one notation note-for-note to another, for example, re-writing lute tablature as staff notation. For the most part, it is a mechanical job, because the notes stay the

[LUTE] Re: Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question)

2006-10-15 Thread Mathias Rösel
Note that the highest sounding string of the theorbo (e') is the _third_ string, not the top string (d') which is really a second lower. This cooresponds exactly to the highest string of the angelique (also e'). Placement on the instrument is different, but it produces the same sound. OK

[LUTE] Re: Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question)

2006-10-10 Thread Mathias Rösel
If you say, however, angeliques are compound instruments, consisting of lute bodies, theorboed necks, and harp tunings, I should NOT dissent, that is. -- Best, Mathias -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question)

2006-10-10 Thread chriswilke
--- Mathias Rösel [EMAIL PROTECTED] As for this initial question, we've now reached the point where the _tessiture_ are compared: e'-C (angelique) vs. d'-C (lesser, or French, theorbo). No, as I mentioned in my last message, the range of the open strings is _exactly_ the same. Not just

[LUTE] Re: Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question)

2006-10-09 Thread Mathias Rösel
We must be very careful! There exist an Angelique in Paris (E. 980.2.317, see the new catalogue p. 94) with a neck (not a swan neck, but also not a true theorbo neck - it's something between) who is known from French iconographic sources from 1660-80. Do you mean to say

[LUTE] Re: Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question)

2006-10-09 Thread chriswilke
their invention. Things like material, keys, valves, frets, accidents of design, merely represent technological modifications of an initial idea (the invention) that often stretched back somewhere in pre-history. The angelique considerably differs from the lute and the theorbo in two aspects

[LUTE] Re: Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question)

2006-10-08 Thread Mathias Rösel
Swan-necks on angeliques predate the purported/alleged invention by some 50 years. The oldest two out of those four angeliques in Schwerin date from 1704 (both made by Tielke). One angelique in Munich is a former lute, dated from 1633. (According to Pohlmann 1982, p. 596-7) Kremberg's

[LUTE] Re: Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question)

2006-10-08 Thread Andreas Schlegel
Hello We must be very careful! There exist an Angelique in Paris (E. 980.2.317, see the new catalogue p. 94) with a neck (not a swan neck, but also not a true theorbo neck - it's something between) who is known from French iconographic sources from 1660-80. I know a Tielke lute from 1680

[LUTE] Re: Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question)

2006-10-08 Thread Roman Turovsky
Message - From: Andreas Schlegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mathias Rösel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 1:46 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question) Hello We must be very careful! There exist an Angelique in Paris (E

[LUTE] Re: Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question)

2006-10-08 Thread Nancy Carlin
@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 1:46 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question) Hello We must be very careful! There exist an Angelique in Paris (E. 980.2.317, see the new catalogue p. 94) with a neck (not a swan neck, but also not a true theorbo

[LUTE] Re: Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question)

2006-10-08 Thread Mathias Rösel
theorbos. That much can safely be said. We must be very careful! There exist an Angelique in Paris (E. 980.2.317, see the new catalogue p. 94) with a neck (not a swan neck, but also not a true theorbo neck - it's something between) who is known from French iconographic sources from 1660-80

[LUTE] Re: Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question)

2006-10-08 Thread chriswilke
to propose that the angelique came about by modifying existing theorbos, specifically the French solo theorbo? As you say above, the surviving examples are small, single-strung. This sounds more like a solo theorbo than a lute. Since doubled-headed lutes were not generally used in France, why would

[LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question

2006-10-07 Thread chriswilke
--- Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Swan-necks on angeliques predate the purported/alleged invention by some 50 years. RT The angelique is essentially a converted _theorbo_, not a lute. In this case, the theorboed extension was already there and the swan-necking was merely a

[LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question

2006-10-07 Thread Arto Wikla
Hi all, I wrote: This could be a good idea to me: I have now my smaller theorbo (Barber's French theorbo, 76cm:8x1/140cm:6x1) stringed and tuned to high d-theorbo, but that instrument could be easily set also to d-minor tuning. But what would our collective hip police say about playing

[LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question

2006-10-07 Thread Howard Posner
On Friday, Oct 6, 2006, at 05:27 America/Los_Angeles, Rob Dorsey wrote: Actually there is apparently, reading Narvey, considerable evidence that English theorbists adopted the Dm tuning despite it being a French initiative. Go figger' huh? Mace, writing in 1676, said the theorbo was tuned

[LUTE] Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question)

2006-10-07 Thread Mathias Rösel
Swan-necks on angeliques predate the purported/alleged invention by some 50 years. The oldest two out of those four angeliques in Schwerin date from 1704 (both made by Tielke). One angelique in Munich is a former lute, dated from 1633. (According to Pohlmann 1982, p. 596-7) The angelique

[LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question

2006-10-06 Thread Arto Wikla
Hi all Yet another theorbo question. It seems to me that a moderately-sized solo theorbo in D minor tuning would be a good all-purpose Baroque lute upon which one could play the modern late 17th/early 18th- century continuo, as well as all the German (and maybe even some of the French

[LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question

2006-10-06 Thread Phalese
In einer eMail vom 06.10.2006 09:26:20 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: But what would our collective hip police say about playing Gaultier, Weiss, Falkenhagen, Losy, etc. by a single strung instrument... ;-)) Arto Nothing new about that have a look here

[LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question

2006-10-06 Thread Rob Dorsey
: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:26 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question On Thursday, Oct 5, 2006, at 22:21 America/Los_Angeles, LGS-Europe wrote: After 1680 the tuning nuveau in Dm spread with the Enlightenment movement to include lutes and theorbos played

[LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question

2006-10-06 Thread chriswilke
can presume that he played (dm?) theorbo in orchestral situations, there is a letter from Weiss in which he describes accompanying an aria on the lute - which he thought worked well in terms of balance only _because_ he was joined by just the basses and harpsichord. They must have worked something

[LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question

2006-10-06 Thread Roman Turovsky
Lucas, What about the dm lute in ensemble music, period? We know that there is actually a significant amount of music for baroque lute with other instruments. Supposedly, Weiss worked to invent the swan neck lute especially so that it could be heard in instrumental groups. Swan-necks

[LUTE] Another Theorbo Question

2006-10-05 Thread David Rastall
Dear Luters, Yet another theorbo question. It seems to me that a moderately-sized solo theorbo in D minor tuning would be a good all-purpose Baroque lute upon which one could play the modern late 17th/early 18th- century continuo, as well as all the German (and maybe even some

[LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question

2006-10-05 Thread Nancy Carlin
Administrator Yet another theorbo question. It seems to me that a moderately-sized solo theorbo in D minor tuning would be a good all-purpose Baroque lute upon which one could play the modern late 17th/early 18th- century continuo, as well as all the German (and maybe even some of the French

[LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question

2006-10-05 Thread Rob Dorsey
inventively, just dropping out the first course tuning and opting for d,a,f,D,A,G, etc. Having played continuo in Dm tuning on my 76/120 theorbo lute, I can say that it falls readily to hand and many chords (in keys popular with the bowed instruments, barokflaute and recorders, like F,C G

[LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question

2006-10-05 Thread Lucas Harris
Carlin'; 'David Rastall'; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question David and All, The article by Narvey is excellent, scholarly and, given that it is factual and not opinion, definitive. After 1680 the tuning nuveau in Dm spread with the Enlightenment movement to include lutes

[LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question

2006-10-05 Thread LGS-Europe
and not opinion, definitive. After 1680 the tuning nuveau in Dm spread with the Enlightenment movement to include lutes and theorbos played in northern Europe. Don't forget the mandora, very nortern Europe, too, that stayed in old tuning. David To get on or off this list see list

[LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question

2006-10-05 Thread Howard Posner
. David And the English theorbo. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Theorbo Questions

2006-09-26 Thread David Rastall
Dear list, Many thanks to those of you who responded to my recent questions regarding theorbos. Your input is much appreciated. David R [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rastallmusic.com -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: theorbo question

2006-09-14 Thread Rob Dorsey
David, The body of the lute/theorbo - particularly the t'bo - affects the sound profile immensely. By body shape we actually mean the shape and volume of the air cavity within the body and how its volume and distribution affect the propagation of the vibrations of the sound board. Likewise

[LUTE] Re: theorbo question

2006-09-14 Thread Arthur Ness
Chris sent this additional information. === Dear Arthur Tempus fugit indeed! Boethius/Severinus facsimiles are now sold by Jacks, Pipes and Hammers - you can see their ad in LSAQ - e.g. on p. 10 of the February 2006 number all the best Chris Goodwin

[LUTE] Re: theorbo question

2006-09-13 Thread LGS-Europe
Dear David question is: which is more important to the production of a full, substantial theorbo sound...long playing length, or a large body? Or is it a combination of both? For theorbos it's simple: bigger is better. Big body, long stopped strings, long diapassons. You want to have big

[LUTE] Re: theorbo question

2006-09-13 Thread dc
LGS-Europe écrit: For a good general introduction to theorbo playing turn to Kevin Mason's The Chitarrone and its repertoire in early seventeenth-century Italy (Boethius 1989) Hello David, This sounds very interesting, but it seems to be out of print. Does anyone know where one could find

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