Re: binary and ternary GIGUES

2003-12-13 Thread Arthur Ness (boston)
Dear Jerzy and Thomas, I think we can go a bit beyond what Walther has to say, but Walther is surely an excellent place to look for information on German baroque music. I believe what Jerzy Zak is asking about is the French and Italian kinds of gigues. The Italian one (giga) is usualy in

Re: binary and ternary GIGUES

2003-12-13 Thread Mathias Rösel
Arthur Ness (boston) [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: (I think colieren [kolorieren] means ornamented, here. colieren in German means to take special care of, cherish (hegen, pflegen). Nothing to do with colour (but with cult). -- Regards, Mathias Mathias Roesel, Grosze Annenstrasze 5, 28199

Re: binary and ternary GIGUES

2003-12-13 Thread Mathias Rösel
Arthur Ness (boston) [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: (I think colieren [kolorieren] means ornamented, here. colieren in German means to take special care of, cherish (hegen, pflegen). Nothing to do with colour (but with cult). spelled with K, kolieren means to strain a liquid through a thin

Re: binary and ternary GIGUES

2003-12-13 Thread Thomas Schall
I would think so. The fuges in form of a gigue as being in bad measure but refined in compostion. Thomas Am Sam, 2003-12-13 um 17.25 schrieb Roman Turovsky: Arthur Ness (boston) [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: (I think colieren [kolorieren] means ornamented, here. colieren in German means

Re: binary and ternary GIGUES

2003-12-13 Thread Thomas Schall
Dear Arthur, couliren is the term in Walter and the other Schlechter Takt (I think Walter means equal 2/4 or 4/4). Here the german text: Giga (ital.), Gigue (gall.) oder Gicque, ist eine Instrumental-Piece, welche als eine behender Englischer Tantz aus zwo in 3/8, 6/8 oder 12/8 Tact gesetzten

Re: binary and ternary GIGUES

2003-12-13 Thread Arthur Ness (boston)
If the word is kolieren (or colieren), then _refined_ makes sense. As you suggest, it's related to English colander. But it is nice to see Walther's dictionary quoted. It is sometimes very useful to see how persons of the time defined a word. Walther, if memory serves, defines cantabil as

Re: binary and ternary GIGUES

2003-12-13 Thread Thomas Schall
Actually I think it's very important to use the sources of the time. And Walther is, as it seems well informed and gives good explanations. Cantabile (ital.) cantable (gall.) heisset: wenn eine Composition, sie sey vocaliter oder instrumentaliter gesetzt, in allen Stimmen und Partien sich wohl

Re: binary and ternary GIGUES

2003-12-13 Thread Thomas Schall
I think it's not so important if I translated couliren right or wrong - regarding the question of gigues it is important that Walther characterizes a gigue as - fast - dotted rythmn - can occur in multiple measurements (bad or equal measurment probaply mainly in form of a fuga) Thomas Am Sam,