Hi Martin,
Yes I have played his instruments, they are very well built and a pleasure to
play. Doubtless the pierced pegbox was a client's wish.
I know how he makes his fluted-back lutes. I don't think he is very secretive
about his workmethods.
At this moment I have a Venere 1592 by Martin
Dear Alexander,
Thanks for this painting - I've never seen it before. I agree these
ribs look uniformly scalloped. Interestingly the lute in the background
looks like a modern oud, with the edges rounded off!
Best wishes,
Martin
On 10/02/2011 00:01, Alexander Batov wrote:
Dear Martin
We should ask him how he achieves such a fluted effect! Looks like
beautiful work (though aesthetically I am puzzled by his decision to
make an anachronistic pierced pegbox back for the 1592 Venere). Has
anyone here heard/played his instruments?
Martin
On 10/02/2011 08:38, David van Ooijen
The fluting is a natual effect of the wood having no support through
it's curvature for the outer (wider) posrtion of the rib. The inner
portion of the rib is continous for the entire length of the rib. As
the rib tapers inward at the ends, the support is lost for the outer
Dear Martin All,
Here is the promised picture:
http://www.vihuelademano.com/current/pages/Bartolomeo-Bettera_fluted-ribs-lute.htm
As always in cases with historical iconography - however accurate and
realistic it appears to us - we would still remain at the mercy of the
artists. Having said
a market research in
this area, I just make what I like most.
Alexander Batov
www.vihuelademano.com
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From: Vance Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: fluted ribs
Dear Alexander:
Just how many
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At 09:03 AM 9/24/2004, you wrote:
Only one (in Jacquemart-Andre) has
gained universal acceptance; there are still unresolved issues around the
others...
..and, as is often mentioned in this discussion, the Jacquemart-Andre
piece doesn't appear to have been built with the intent for it to serve
Hi there,
I'm afraid that Chambure's vihuela has gained as well universal
acceptance, at least within vihuela experts' circle.
On the other hand Jacquemart-Andre's vihuela was, as Eugene suggests, built
for different purposes than playing music on it(probably a sort of an exam
for someone willing
At 09:40 AM 9/24/2004, ariel abramovich wrote:
Hi there,
I'm afraid that Chambure's vihuela has gained as well universal
acceptance, at least within vihuela experts' circle.
On the other hand Jacquemart-Andre's vihuela was, as Eugene suggests, built
for different purposes than playing music on
for all i know, informed discussion of this type
occurs all the time in any discipline. but (roll over
e.b. white) i honestly don't see how anyone - expert
or otherwise - can exclude the possibility, the
probability even, that at one time in history many
different instruments carried the
Just about everyone here other than you would be trying to define the
instrument that was considered an alternative for the lute in Spain and
Italy, for which Milan, Mudarra, Fuenllana and Narvaez wrote books of music;
the instrument pictured on the front of Milan's El Maestro (which, I have
just plain daft.
Best wishes,
Stewart McCoy.
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From: bill kilpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: fluted ribs
this is or isn't vihuela question appears to be the
thread that wouldn't die
Fluting allows one to make the joints between ribs thicker for a broader
gluing surface. The luthier can start with a slightly deeper, heavier rib
and then remove the excess mass by carving out excess wood along the span
of the rib while leaving the glued joints broad. Another possible
air resonance frequencies (Helmholz
resonance), the spectral characteristics of the sounds are different. We are
only in the beginning of our vihuela reconstruction age and will probably
remain there for a while.
One experiment that I've conducted so far is with ebony and cocobolo fluted
ribs
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Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: fluted ribs
Dear Bill,
You've touched an eternal question ...
As in most cases with bowl back early instruments - vihuelas are not
excluded - you never know where
there's an interesting thread on mike's oud site about
ouds with fluted rib construction - photos and all ...
http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=1230
- bill
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is there anything to be gained from fluted rib
construction in bowl back instruments? ... extra
strength? ... better sound? ... esthetics? seems
like a lot of trouble to go to if the technique is
only used for esthetics.
- bill
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