[LUTE] Re: Protecting the unfinished top (table)

2006-06-27 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Rob, Thank you again fr ths. Having pondered your views, I think you misunderstand the nature of Stand Oil: being so extremely viscous it does not penetrate the wood to any significant degree. Indeed, its characteristics are closer to a stiff varnish (be it oil or the

[LUTE] Re: Protecting the unfinished top (table)

2006-06-27 Thread Roman Turovsky
Nonwithstanding the above, an earlier email mentions that David Van Edwards suggests using oil on bellies and, since he is widely recognised as being one of the finest lute makers around today, you may also care to reflect on this advice.. Linseed Oil has an ancient history of

[LUTE] Re: Protecting the unfinished top (table)

2006-06-27 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Thank you fr this. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear: by having an 'ancient history' I did not mean an history going back to antiquity (Greek/ Roman etc) but a long history of usage (in Europe). First (European) use in the 1400s, as you report, is quite old enough for me to give it a

[LUTE] Re: Protecting the unfinished top (table)

2006-06-27 Thread Roman Turovsky
Having said this, To make it clear, stand oil cannot be used at all without being diluted in turpentine, and in its usable form it certainly can penetrate any wood. RT Thank you fr this. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear: by having an 'ancient history' I did not mean an history going back

[LUTE] Re: Protecting the unfinished top (table)

2006-06-27 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Well, you say this but, I beg to differ having used plain Stand Oil (as I already described -clearly) for many years (and I know others who use it). Perhaps there's some difference between US Stand Oil and what we have in England - after all, I thought you originally said that Stand

[LUTE] Re: Protecting the unfinished top (table)

2006-06-27 Thread Rob Dorsey
Dearest Martyn, My dear fellow, I fear that we disagree on so many points that this forum fails to provide sufficient room or expediency to carry on the debate. I'm sure Mr. Van Edwards is a wonderful builder and having reflected on his advice I'm equally sure that someone has misunderstood him,

[LUTE] Re: Protecting the unfinished top (table)

2006-06-27 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Rob, Thank you fr ths. As said previously, and repeated again in my recent eml on ths to Roman T, stand oil, if sufficiently oxidised, will not soak into and permeate the wood; it will provide just the sort of surface film I understand you're seeking. If using this there's

[LUTE] Re: Protecting the unfinished top (table)

2006-06-27 Thread Gernot Hilger
Hi all, I assume most of those ranting here have in fact tried to apply oil to their soundboards. I have. Therefore I cannot believe that a small quantity of drying oil does any harm AT ALL to the sound of the finished instrument. Soundboard thickness is in the order of magnitude of 1.5

[LUTE] Re: Duets

2006-06-27 Thread guy_and_liz Smith
Not sure about Fronimo, but there are .tab versions of a number of standard duets, including the two you mention, on Wayne's site (assuming it hasn't changed since the last time I checked). Guy - Original Message - From: Mathias R=F6selmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

[LUTE] Re: Protecting the unfinished top (table)

2006-06-27 Thread Roman Turovsky
According to a colleague who was a paintings conservator at the Met Museum, linseed oil's acidic PH will react corrosively with alcaline one of such durable fiber as linen (if unprimed/sized). Linen is a lot more durable than spruce, to be sure. RT - Original Message - From: Gernot

[LUTE] Re: Protecting the unfinished top (table)

2006-06-27 Thread Gernot Hilger
Roman, I really hate to disagree, but how come that violins 500 years old have survived with their drying oils based varnishes though made of spruce and maple? g On 27.06.2006, at 23:23, Roman Turovsky wrote: According to a colleague who was a paintings conservator at the Met Museum,

[LUTE] Re: Protecting the unfinished top (table)

2006-06-27 Thread Roman Turovsky
I have no idea, but a coat of sealant (rabbitskin glue???) inbetween would do the trick, as it certainly does in painting. RT Roman, I really hate to disagree, but how come that violins 500 years old have survived with their drying oils based varnishes though made of spruce and maple?

[LUTE] Re: Duets

2006-06-27 Thread Alain Veylit
One could also try: http://cbsr26.ucr.edu/wlkfiles/Publications/EnglishDuets/EnglishLuteDuets.html Alain guy_and_liz Smith wrote: Not sure about Fronimo, but there are .tab versions of a number of standard duets, including the two you mention, on Wayne's site (assuming it hasn't changed since

[LUTE] Re: Duets

2006-06-27 Thread Jose Luis Rojo
.pdf? Look at: http://cbsr26.ucr.edu/wlkfiles/Publications/EnglishDuets/ EnglishLuteDuets.html Best wishes, JL El 27/06/2006, a las 22:45, Mathias Rösel escribió: Dear all, I'm in need of some well-known duets. Are there Fronimo files extant for Le Rossignol, Drewries Accords? Thanks