[LUTE] Re: John Dowland Fantasy 7 - Raga Bilawal.

2018-02-21 Thread Dan Winheld
I enjoyed them as well- My unsent message was going to posit the elegant segue of "Oblivion" by Astor Piazzolla directly followed by Dowland's "Lachrimae", in the Galliard version. Same key, a lot of identical harmonic and melodic phrasing coincidences. OR IS IT COINCIDENCE

[LUTE] Re: John Dowland Fantasy 7 - Raga Bilawal.

2018-02-21 Thread David van Ooijen
I enjoyed both messages. David On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 at 21:41, howard posner <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote: Oops. My apologies for that last message, which I did not intend to send.It was in my Drafts folder, and I hit the send button instead of delete because I

[LUTE] Re: Francesco or da Crema

2018-02-21 Thread G. C.
I know, that's what I'm saying, thanks Antonio! Newsidler's book of 1536 on page 2 is also a letter from the "king" giving him personally the privileges, with threats of fines to those who try to copy. Half to the king, and half to Neusiedler.The printer is mentioned at the end of

[LUTE] Re: Francesco or da Crema

2018-02-21 Thread Alain Veylit
Interesting. The first example I heard of of a printer/publisher pirating himself :) On 02/21/2018 12:04 PM, Antonio Corona wrote: Not quite, at least in Spain. The Royal/Imperial "privilegios" granted to Valderrábano, Pisador, Fuenllana and Daza were not adressed to the

[LUTE] Re: John Dowland Fantasy 7 - Raga Bilawal.

2018-02-21 Thread howard posner
Oops. My apologies for that last message, which I did not intend to send. It was in my Drafts folder, and I hit the send button instead of delete because I lack the attention span necessary for email. To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Here it is: John Dowland Fantasy 7 - Raga Bilawal.

2018-02-21 Thread howard posner
> On Feb 8, 2018, at 10:58 AM, Tristan von Neumann > wrote: > > Are you all tone-deaf??? No. Not all of us. > Of course the microtones blur a little, but you should as musicians be able > to hear past that to the essence! > > Do you not hear the same GESTURES?

[LUTE] Re: Francesco or da Crema

2018-02-21 Thread Antonio Corona
Not quite, at least in Spain. The Royal/Imperial "privilegios" granted to Valderrábano, Pisador, Fuenllana and Daza were not adressed to the printers, but to the composers themselves (or whoever had their power of attorney). In fact, there is some evidence of a pirate edition of

[LUTE] Stuff from the British Library

2018-02-21 Thread Matteo Turri
I was browsing around and found this: Explore the British Library: [1]http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/search.do Put in the search field "early music online", and you get access to a number of digitalised scores - mostly vocal, but you may notice already in the

[LUTE] More Early Music Online

2018-02-21 Thread Matteo Turri
Early Music Online can also be accessed via the Royal Holloway's digital repository Early Music Online [1]https://www.royalholloway.ac.uk/music/research/earlymusiconline/home .aspx "Early Music Online has digitised over 320 volumes of 16th-century anthologies of printed music,

[LUTE] Re: looking for 2 lute sources

2018-02-21 Thread Rainer
By the way, Mylius has a very bad reputation. The two Dowland(?) pavans are ruins - one of them completely destroyed. However, the pieces stolen from Vallet are almost exact copies. Probably the engraver did a good job, but the editor was blind and deaf. Rainer On 21.02.2018 01:23, Nancy

[LUTE] Re: Reconstructed Dowland duet

2018-02-21 Thread guy_and_liz Smith
LSA published at least one other Nordstrom reconstruction, a ground to go with a John Johnson treble (( don't recall which issue; I only have a copy of the piece now). Have any of Lyle's other reconstructions been published, formally or informally? I'm guessing that he did at least some of the

[LUTE] Re: Reconstructed Dowland duet

2018-02-21 Thread Nancy Carlin
I remember Paul O'Dette saying that Lyle was among the best of the renaissance composers, when talking about his ability to reconstruct missing parts of c1600 English music. Nancy Dear lute netters, I seem to remember that Lyle Nordstrom has "reconstructed" a duet part for a piece by Dowland

[LUTE] Re: Reconstructed Dowland duet

2018-02-21 Thread Arthur Ness
Here's the index to JLSA: http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/publications/JLSA-Index.html#40 Arthur Ness arthurjn...@verizon.net -Original Message- From: Rainer To: Lute net Sent: Wed, Feb 21, 2018 11:43 am

[LUTE] Re: Francesco or da Crema

2018-02-21 Thread Alain Veylit
Privileges were granted to the printers, not the authors/composers, who usually got none of the profits of sales. In fact copyright laws were created because of this very fact, in the 18th century. Pirated copies of course included the privilege page and the name of the authorized publisher -

[LUTE] Re: Reconstructed Dowland duet

2018-02-21 Thread Rainer
Dear Rainer, see LSA Journal XII, pp. 43-47. Rainer On 21.02.2018 15:56, Rainer wrote: Dear lute netters, I seem to remember that Lyle Nordstrom has "reconstructed" a duet part for a piece by Dowland (CLM 62 or 63?). I have no idea where to find that. Probably in an LSA newsletter or

[LUTE] Re: Reconstructed Dowland duet

2018-02-21 Thread Stephan Olbertz
Sorry, the last message was meant to be privat ;-) Stephan -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Rainer Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Februar 2018 15:57 An: Lute net Betreff: [LUTE] Reconstructed Dowland duet Dear lute

[LUTE] Re: Reconstructed Dowland duet

2018-02-21 Thread Stephan Olbertz
Hi Rainer, ich weiß, danach hast Du nicht gefragt, aber ich hab mal eine Duo-Version gemacht, jedoch ein paar Sachen in die andere Laute gelegt. Das Heft mit den Dowland-Duetten ist bis heute nicht erschienen, da mich dieses Django-Programm in den Wahnsinn getrieben hat. Außerdem beschäftige

[LUTE] Reconstructed Dowland duet

2018-02-21 Thread Rainer
Dear lute netters, I seem to remember that Lyle Nordstrom has "reconstructed" a duet part for a piece by Dowland (CLM 62 or 63?). I have no idea where to find that. Probably in an LSA newsletter or Journal. Does anybody know? Are there tables of contents on the LSA web site? Rainer To

[LUTE] Re: Francesco or da Crema

2018-02-21 Thread Matthew Daillie
Additional reading: 'Print Culture and Music in Sixteenth-Century Venice' by Jane Bernstein, published by Oxford University Press. Best, Matthew On 21/02/2018 13:01, Ron Andrico wrote: Daniel Heartz wrote a monograph on the role of Attaingnant as music publisher, _Pierre Attaingnant

[LUTE] Re: Francesco or da Crema

2018-02-21 Thread G. C.
Dear Ron, look at the recently mentioned "Ein Newgeordent..." by Newsidler. It says at the bottom of the introductory page: Mit Roemischen Kaiser und Koeniglichen Majestaet, freyheit/ in funff iaren nit nach zu drucken / begnadet. What is this but a royally decreed copyright? And

[LUTE] Re: Francesco or da Crema

2018-02-21 Thread G. C.
-- Forwarded message -- From: G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> Date: Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Francesco or da Crema To: Alain Veylit <[2]al...@musickshandmade.com> When you read the foreword of old prints, there is often a line about

[LUTE] Re: looking for 2 lute sources

2018-02-21 Thread Rainer
On 21.02.2018 01:23, Nancy Carlin wrote: I was wondering if anyone on the list has a pdf, or knows a link for: Johann Daniel Mylius Thesaurus Gratiarum (Frankfurt, 1622). Lvov lute manuscript = RU-Lv Ms 1400/1 - Hans Kernstock c1655. 1655 is nonsense. The year 1555 appears in the manuscript,