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5th attempt...fingers crossed:
dear all -
for your information aquilla, the makers of nylgut strings, have
introduced a set for the oud. i haven't received them yet but they
cost EUR 20.00 and i expect they will be as excellent as their other
products.
kind regards - bill
sumer is acumin
. could it be that the octave was instituted more out of
necessity than choice? - bill
or more course
lutes, it might sound more appealing.
regards - bill
re: where octave tuning originated; someone named jacob in the
medieval/renaissance forum of the mandolincafe.net site left a note to
say that octaves may be found on all three courses of the tar, baglama
and saz.
at the risk of causing offense - paintings have more value. if the mob
was at the gate and there was only seconds to spare, i think i'd opt
for the caneletto too.
Relatives bequeathed such posessions are left with the problem of what
to
do with it. No one knows how to tune it! What 'musical' friends they
know, probably play something completely different and therefore have no
aptitude to learn to play a lute. It becomes a toy for the
grand-children,
A snail goes to the police station.
He's terribly beaten up. The policeman asks who did it.
A tortoise, says the snail.
Can you describe the tortoise? the cop asks. How big was he? What
color?...
I don't know, says the snail, It all happened so fast.
suggestions of harp-related places to
visit while (in rome)
other than a plethora of irish pubs, i can't think of a thing.
hitch-hiker's guide to the universe?...
On Sabato, mar 13, 2004, at 15:03 Europe/Rome, David Rastall wrote:
Hi Jon,
On Saturday, March 13, 2004, at 01:49 AM, Jon Murphy wrote:
...although, Herbert,
if you think the answer is 42 I hope you know where your towel is
Just to get Herbert off
to
suggest in this vein, i'd be happy to take it up.
sincerely - bill
ps - i have a cd of secular songs attributed to an anonymous, 14 cent.
monk of saltzberg, which is very good. there seems to be more of
this informal style of ancient music in the german culture than here in
italy. maybe
does anyone know where i might find a photo of the ukrainian lute
called a kobsa?
grazie tutti.
ramble
through the andes. there's an illustration in the cantigas
collection which shows some dandy playing - what to all intents and
purposes is - a charango.
olè! - bill
On Lunedì, mar 15, 2004, at 21:50 Europe/Rome, Ed Margerum wrote:
I wouldn't know a kobsa/kobza/cobsa from a peavey
THE! question is, where can i find ready-made parchment roses? or, is
there somewhere on the web that will explain how to make one?
ciao - bill
forget that... i think i'm capable of driving up to siena and buying a
piece of pergamena for a diy rose! - bill
On Martedì, mar 16, 2004, at 10:56 Europe/Rome, bill wrote:
THE! question is, where can i find ready-made parchment roses? or, is
there somewhere on the web that will explain how
in the main picture you can see two, partially finished, single piece
wooden constructions in the back ground.
On Martedì, mar 16, 2004, at 20:52 Europe/Rome, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Figured at least Roman would find this interesting.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/
On Sabato, mar 20, 2004, at 17:43 Europe/Rome, Daniel F Heiman wrote:
an explanation for the
existence of two almost identical paintings by Gerard ter Borch, both
entitled The Music Lesson. What is the significance of the subtle
difference in the right hand of the music master?
years past
in, but thank you for any consideration
you may give it - bill
mine is sept. 11th
memorable.
On Domenica, mar 21, 2004, at 16:12 Europe/Rome, Ron Fletcher wrote:
A belated Happy Birthday to Arto!
It would be nice to do this on time for our friends on the list. We
don't
need to embarrass anyone with their age. Perhaps we should have
included
thank you for the input - what was sent was really useful.
my interest in early country music stems from something i once read
about how music which evolved in the cities during the renaissance
totally eclipsed the interest that was formerly paid to music from the
country - cantigas de santa
. (i wonder
what santo and johnny farina are doing these days...?)
cordiale saluti - bill
On Mercoledì, mar 24, 2004, at 13:19 Europe/Rome, Roman Turovsky wrote:
my interest in early country music stems from something i once read
about how music which evolved in the cities during the renaissance
jon - buy you a drink?
On Giovedì, mar 25, 2004, at 07:07 Europe/Rome, Jon Murphy wrote:
Roman,
Europe is not Nashville, national musics were/are extremely distinct
in
character and the melodies they produce are far from unsophisticated,
spiced
with local intervals, often in unusual
mediaeval Europe..
let's leave the media out of this
, the true and the beautiful - bill
with the idea of
country music. i suspect that their foppish fore bearers felt
precisely the same.
know anything about dulcimers?
kind regards - bill
teacher. oddly enough, i've had occasion to question many of the
things i once heard in school.
i take your point about idle speculation on the internet.
it...
will...
not...
happen...
again.
-Original Message-
From: bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 8:35 AM
an extremely low-tech air conditioner and humidifier consists of a damp
cotton sheet draped over a door or window to catch the breeze.
or...
a battery powered plant spray with timer for $22.something at:
http://www.comforthouse.com/plantsitter10.html
- bill
On Giovedì, apr 1, 2004, at 18:40
for small, COUNTRY! string bands might sound just
swell on lute.
bach because of the things he wrote for solo instruments.
- bill
On Venerdì, apr 2, 2004, at 16:54 Europe/Rome, Eugene Braig wrote:
Ian Anderson and Jan Ackerman were both amongst my childhood heroes,
and
I've just turned my 13
tuning for a five course, medieval
lute. any suggestions?
grazie - bill
crashing into that octave
stretch in the 3rd course. my pavanes sounded like they all came from
peru.
i'm expecting delivery of a lute shaped charango with wooden pegs soon
and with that...
why i'll...
rule the world!
thanks again - bill
On Sabato, apr 3, 2004, at 18:58 Europe/Rome, James
clapton played with miles davis but i don't know if anything was
ever recorded (hope not. it was in the deep, dark, pre-de-tox. days
and i read somewhere that he confessed to not having a clue what he was
doing...no documentation on this, sorry).
- bill
On Domenica, apr 4, 2004, at 19:15 Europe/Rome
. do you think vivaldi's temper
tantrums were more sedate because of the music he wrote?
buonanotte - bill
On Lunedì, apr 5, 2004, at 22:53 Europe/Rome, Herbert Ward wrote:
Sort of off-topic. But in a way it's not, given our special
perspective
(and needs) associated with a historical
On Martedì, apr 6, 2004, at 01:56 Europe/Rome, Howard Posner wrote:
??
! !
that to our attention. very exciting.
sincerely - bill
On Martedì, apr 6, 2004, at 14:09 Europe/Rome, Ed Margerum wrote:
For those interested in medieval non-lute instruments there is a
brief article (in German) with photo of an intact quinterne found in
Danzig at http://www.theiss.de/AiD/2002/6
a recording of Peter and the Wolf narrated by, are you ready?,
Mihail Gorbachov and Bill Clinton. Also Sophia Loren. There were
photos of them on the back; Clinton looked quite young, with dark wavy
hair, before the White House years turned it grey.
DR
to know if, and how, the strings were
attached at the bottom.
any ideas on the quint in quinterne? unless it lost some pegs over
the centuries, i count 7.
the carved face at the top of the peg box looks celt.
and so to bed (II) - bill
On Martedì, apr 6, 2004, at 23:28 Europe/Rome, James A Stimson
dear tadeusz -
would you please tell me what tuning you use for your reconstructed
quinterne?
thank you - bill
... could the guembri be father of the lute after
all?
etymologically yours - bill
cause the strings to fall out of tune.
any ideas?
ciao - bill
dear kenneth -
i had always assumed that double frets were a no-no. what's the
advantage of having them?
sincerely - bill
On Domenica, apr 11, 2004, at 21:54 Europe/Rome, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
In a message dated 4/10/04 4:33:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
because
of some stultifying historical criteria is pure arrogance.
spring is here,
the grass is ris'
wonder where
the sunshine is?
- bill
On Lunedì, apr 12, 2004, at 12:29 Europe/Rome, Jon Murphy wrote:
The choice of nylon, nylgut or gut is yours - and that
of your lute (what works best
of?
..
- from what period is the music you play?
..
- if you prefer using plectrum, why?
just idle curiosity.
regards - bill
:
www.mikeouds.com
you will not regret buying an oud. it's a vivacious, dynamic,
versatile instrument - offers so much more than a lute.
sincerely - bill
On Lunedì, apr 12, 2004, at 21:26 Europe/Rome, Stephen W. Gibson wrote:
Does anyone out there play an oud? If so, where did you get it?
Stephen W
dear manolo -
i believe it is as easy as clicking the archives located in the
right-hand column, second item on the home page.
- bill
On Martedì, apr 13, 2004, at 00:47 Europe/Rome, Manolo Laguillo wrote:
Dear lutelisters,
I would like to consult some old topics that appeared months ago
giles lewin...
ciao - bill
On Martedì, apr 13, 2004, at 13:01 Europe/Rome, Stewart McCoy wrote:
Dear Bill,
The Dufay Collective is an English group, not French. One of the
members of the group is Susanna Pell, whose husband is Jacob
Heringman. They have a very entertaining website:
http
also find more information by placing theorbo in your
search engine.
is there a music school in your area? they will be able to put you in
touch with a teacher.
not for the first time (generally speaking), trash could be the start
of a satisfying and lifelong relationship.
sincerely - bill
On Mercoledì, apr 14, 2004, at 16:55 Europe/Rome, Peter Nightingale
wrote:
Maybe the same assimilation that transforms what's up into wazzup?
Waddaya think?
booo!...hiss!
...) frets made with
multiple turnings of what i imagine is silk thread.
ciao - bill
someone named chuckerbutty (don't ask) very kindly pointed this out
to me: http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=727
On Giovedì, apr 15, 2004, at 01:47 Europe/Rome, James A Stimson wrote:
Dear Luters:
I know we've talked about single versus double frets. Is there some
petty criminals in order to comply with god
swill.
- bill (formerly just plain bill)
On Giovedì, apr 15, 2004, at 12:49 Europe/Rome, Jon Murphy wrote:
And the famous pub in England, the Elephant and Castle, was probably
an oral
corruption of Infanta de Castille. But being here in the vicinity
On Giovedì, apr 15, 2004, at 16:29 Europe/Rome, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
England and America: Two countries divided by a common language.
craig -
please, who said that?
- bill
bless you!!...
i think i can sleep now.
On Giovedì, apr 15, 2004, at 17:35 Europe/Rome, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bill wrote:
England and America: Two countries divided by a common language.
craig -
please, who said that?
I honestly don't know. It could have been Disraeli, but more
bless you too, howard; what a boon it is to have you on my case...
and here i thought it meant stretched.
On Giovedì, apr 15, 2004, at 16:33 Europe/Rome, Howard Posner wrote:
bill at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
my favorite tautological (nice word, that - thanks) corruption of the
language
craig -
is this of any use?
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/cantigas/
- bill
On Giovedì, apr 15, 2004, at 18:10 Europe/Rome, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Collected Wisdom,
Does anyone know where I might find the music in staff notation for
the Cantigas de Amiga. A friend of mine wants
sorry - sorry - sorry... just re-read your note saw cantigas de amiga
not cantigas de santa maria.
On Giovedì, apr 15, 2004, at 18:10 Europe/Rome, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Collected Wisdom,
Does anyone know where I might find the music in staff notation for
the Cantigas de Amiga. A
of making happy and unexpected discoveries...
like finding a lute on a rubbish heap.
tante bene cose - bill
not even remotely interested in doing this myself but i'd be
extremely interested to hear how you get on.
i remain hitorically inacurate while tapping my toes - bill
ok...
what ever happened to dalza and his bum note?
On Giovedì, mag 13, 2004, at 14:26 Europe/Rome,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear all,
not willing to fall into an endless argument, let me please
mention that if Arto does not have the right to post here his opinions
about politics or
at village feasts.
i woke up this morning thinking about these few sensitive revellers
and felt, on the whole, that i'd much rather play my oud for them than
a bunch of drunks too long at the fair.
- bill
i've devised a little test to gauge one's tolerance of popular culture
and snob rating:
have a good friend of long standing point to your lute and say awesome
lute, dude! and see if you can maintain equanimity.
pip-pip
On Venerdì, mag 14, 2004, at 18:55 Europe/Rome, Howard Posner wrote:
On Venerdì, mag 7, 2004, at 14:09 Europe/Rome, Roman Turovsky wrote:
the era of Theodore Bikel is over
maybe...
but burl ives lives forever; the kingston trio too!
chad mitchell trio...phil okes...
frederick and nina (what!?!)...
fraternally yours - bill
before my time, i'm afraid but what do you call that instrument he
played (http://www.john-jacob-niles.com/). looks like an absolute
monster!
On Sabato, mag 8, 2004, at 07:54 Europe/Rome, Jon Murphy wrote:
bill, what ever happened to John Jacob Niles?
Best, Jon
that it is and
it certainly keeps everyone glued to the tube waiting for more but in
reality it's just a bunch of individuals reacting to a terrifying and
terrible situation - it's not foreign policy of the united states.
sincerely - bill
On Venerdì, mag 7, 2004, at 10:41 Europe/Rome, Anthony Hart wrote:
It's not so
an interesting, if idle thought that never occurred to me.
according to google there are 38000 entries for cs.dartmouth.edu. and
life is too short for plowing through all that.
wayne!
no answer.
wayne!
no answer.
what's gone with that boy, i wonder? you wayne!
sincerely - aunt polly and bill
become
doubled, then the treble course would have to be...what,
trebled...(?)...tripled...(?).
- bill
neck and lute's angular peg box. does anyone know why the
former was abandoned during the development of the european lute yet
retained in the making of bowed string instruments (violin, etc.)?
happy may day - bill
yet
retained in the making of bowed string instruments (violin, etc.)?
sincerely - bill
thank you roman -
do you think one style of peg box has a structural advantage over the
other or can the curvature of the swan's neck peg box be considered
simply as oriental embellishment?
ciao - bill
On Lunedì, mag 3, 2004, at 19:18 Europe/Rome, Roman Turovsky wrote:
again, if i may, i'd
with something more organic.
welcome to the list - bill
i agree. i haven't tried it yet but this and others of his recordings
can be downloaded from the http://www.magnatune.com/genres/classical/
site.
- bill
On Domenica, mag 16, 2004, at 13:31 Europe/Rome, G.R. Crona wrote:
Hi bill
if we are going to award gold stars, I would also like
. I or II.
make sure you're sitting down.
sincerely - bill
but if something unspeakably awful should
happen...it's nice to know that alternatives exist.
- bill
to gain by recommending aquilla
products - i'm not an investor or anything like that. to me they're
simply better.
sincerely - bill
oh, i don't know...
bagdad was bad
by george, it's worse...
we could do a baroque band-aid video...give peace a chance with
children's chorus (novel idea, that)...t-shirts...
something for those who see the us as great satan to clap their hands
and feel good about.
sober as a judge - bill
. i've never tried gut so i can't compare it to nylgut but i think
it's many times better than conventional synthetic strings.
there's no denying that gut strings make beautiful music but for me,
nylgut will do ...till the real thing comes along.
sincerely - bill
On Martedì, mag 25, 2004, at 07
and then, hopefully, we can bury this thing
dead-dead-dead and get back to discussing the minutiae of our mutually
shared interest.
agreed?
gin clear - bill
On Martedì, mag 25, 2004, at 17:06 Europe/Rome, Ariel Abramovich wrote:
Craig,
Your opinions on politics aren't welcome either, no matter how
wonderful...
isn't it also the tune for pistol packin' mama - sung by bing crosby
and the andrew sisters?
lay that pistol down, babe.
lay that pistol down.
pistol packin mama
lay that pistol down.
- bill
On Mercoledì, mag 26, 2004, at 02:11 Europe/Rome, Stewart McCoy wrote:
Dear Thomas
?
- bill
could quadro also mean a pavane performed in the shape of a square -
square dancing?
bill (who, through no fault of your own has been humming lay that
pistol down all morning...)
On Mercoledì, mag 26, 2004, at 11:16 Europe/Rome, Thomas Schall wrote:
Dear Stewart,
what an answer!
Thanks
.
- bill
On Giovedì, mag 27, 2004, at 10:42 Europe/Rome, Thomas Schall wrote:
Hi Stephan,
thanks for your compliments. You are speaking german very well!
I think Stewart (McCoy by the way) and I would agree. I guess he was
thinking in terms of continuo where the important note would always
to make sense of it but
at least it's, more or less, in english.
- bill
On Sabato, mag 29, 2004, at 04:51 Europe/Rome, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Cessez amants de servier Ang=E9lique,
Amarillis se peut dire l'unique,
A qui la Cour doit offrir des voeux.
Tous les plus grands appas d'Aminthe et de
there might be an interesting item for someone in other string
instruments on ebay uk.
ROBERT DOWLAND,VARIETIE OF LUTE LESSONS,FACSIMILE 1610 Item number:
3727178833
- bill
times up! why, it seems like only yesterday...
tending my own garden - bill
On Martedì, mag 25, 2004, at 19:40 Europe/Rome, bill wrote:
what say we give this thread a week and then put a lid on it.
On Sabato, mag 29, 2004, at 23:52 Europe/Rome, ferengizâde daniêl
shawqy wrote:
If you
with this thread concerning lute manuscripts, i was wondering where i
could find a list o
sorry about that... as i was typing the question the answer occurred
to me and i pushed the wrong key to cancel it.
one.
anyone else getting more than their fair share of these less than
bona-fide requests lately?
the reason i ask is because this is the only list i contribute to that
has my e-mail address available for all to see.
- bill
On Sabato, giu 5, 2004, at 08:46 Europe/Rome, Ed Durbrow wrote:
Led Zeppelin
anyone?
tiny tim lives!
eric burden once said that for anyone who sang it's my life and i'll
do what i want and has kids, life is hell.
statement -
i'm just curious.
- bill
anti-virus and who opens enclosures without being 'very
careful'.
can i see a show of hands, please...
- bill
frantic and scary it was to
witness - something similar to the tarantella with repetitive phrases
and hypnotic rhythm.
music played on a lute is too soulful to freak-out and jig around to.
i think you're right when you say it gains in stature by being played
slow.
- bill
On Giovedì, giu 10, 2004
tuning on my oud,
would that make it a fretless, renaissance lute?
does an instrument get its name from the sum of its parts or is it
tuning or contours and shape that makes it what it is?
- bill
something to do with it (totendanz?).
in any case, imho, music sounds better when the speed of play is
governed by the ability to dance to it.
mathias, what does otoh and voice leading mean?
regards - bill
On Venerdì, giu 11, 2004, at 08:28 Europe/Rome, Mathias Rösel wrote:
bill [EMAIL PROTECTED
it, but should the vihuela or
charango tuning and it's subsequent variations be considered as imports
or do you think they evolved in the new world?
regards - bill
orchestra.
hope you find it interesting as well.
let me know if you use a plectrum.
tante bene cose - bill
On , giu 12, 2004, at 12:20 Europe/Rome, G.R. Crona wrote:
Hi bill,
vihuela of the conquistadores, to me would imply that, as they had to
travel, (often arditiously) this would be a kind
that are found
in south america? should they (the present day tunings) be considered
as imports or do you think they evolved in the new world?
regards - bill
that -
music from south america. the instrument, however, is european in
origin and if the truth were to be told...is sounding particularly
sweet at the moment.
strumming merrily - bill
songs have melodies from the european folks
(soldiers, sailors, farmers - people with no formal training in music)
who brought them to south america, 500, 400, etc., years ago?
sincerely - bill
lute like to me - at times. there's a
riff he uses in ... forgot the name which is a basic oud exercise.
- bill
On Mercoledì, giu 16, 2004, at 23:30 Europe/Rome, Herbert Ward wrote:
Oops, originally sent with wrong subject header.Probably too late
now.
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