[LUTE] Re: Pittoni's theorbo?

2008-02-04 Thread howard posner
On Feb 4, 2008, at 12:36 PM, Roland Hayes wrote: I seem to remember an archlute piece (Doni ms.) that does not use a chanterelle. To me this implies that the first course was problematic at times at least (a la french 11 c. pieces w/o chanterelle) and may have been replaced with a string

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? last gasp

2008-02-06 Thread howard posner
Martyn Hodgson wrote: I now see from your mention of my guitar stringing email that you seem to equate 'information' solely with figures whereas I also include other things such as tunings, examples of solo music, etc which you do not count as information - we'll bear this in mind.

[LUTE] Re: Pittoni's theorbo?

2008-02-06 Thread howard posner
Monica Hall wrote: I was tempted to point out early on in this discussion that skips of a 7th and 9th in scale passages (known as campanellas) Campanellas are not necessarily skips of 7ths and 9ths. That's not how they're defined. They are passages of notes that ring over other notes

[LUTE] Re: Pittoni's theorbo?

2008-02-06 Thread howard posner
Campanellas are not necessarily skips of 7ths and 9ths. That's not how they're defined. I didn't say that they are. What I said was skips of a 7th and 9th in scale passages (known as campanellas) are commonplace in baroque guitar music. It is the scale passages that are known as

[LUTE] Re: Pittoni's theorbo?

2008-02-06 Thread howard posner
On Feb 6, 2008, at 1:10 PM, Rob Lute wrote: Don't believe everything you read on the lute net. Now you tell me! Well, you didn't ask... -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Pittoni's theorbo?

2008-02-06 Thread howard posner
On Feb 6, 2008, at 12:37 PM, Monica Hall wrote: Campanellas are a particular kind of scale passage in which each note of the scale is played on a different string so that the notes overlap creating a bell like effect. Yes, I think we got the definition right on the third try. In that

[LUTE] Re: Weiss Vid

2008-02-11 Thread howard posner
Blows that theory... Maybe the Weiss squad was just unusually vigilant. On Feb 11, 2008, at 1:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope. My YouTube submission just had the bit about This is the Introduzzione by Weiss... -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Weiss Vid

2008-02-11 Thread howard posner
On Feb 11, 2008, at 11:39 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (YouTube wouldn't take it!) Just curious: Was the sentence I guess I should have friggin' checked the shot when I moved the camera closer! part of what you sent to YouTube? -- To get on or off this list see

[LUTE] Re: Signor Tiorba

2008-02-12 Thread howard posner
because then you have the book on your own computer. (If you have the space: it's nearly 49megs.) The book is volume V of the 1911 Grove's, which contains T-Z and the appendix. The entries on Vivaldi and Telemann say much about the 19th century attitude toward the 18th century.

[LUTE] Re: Songs by Women Composers

2008-02-14 Thread howard posner
On Feb 14, 2008, at 1:15 AM, Peter Jones-RR wrote: We talked about Barbara Strozzi and Francesca Caccini - does anyone have any other suggestions? If you want to expand to solo motets, there's Isabella Leonarda (1620-1704). I suppose your partner is familiar with Barbara Garvey

[LUTE] Re: true amateurs

2008-02-26 Thread howard posner
I've clicked on this link using Safari and Netscape and all I've gotten is an in-depth knowledge of Air India fares. Any suggestions? There's a Hamburg-Rebekka-II-08.mp3 that looks something like a link, but it does nothing. Am I missing something, or is this a Mac thing? On Feb 26, 2008,

[LUTE] Re: true amateurs

2008-02-26 Thread howard posner
For Anthony and others with the same problem, this link worked for me. On Feb 26, 2008, at 1:52 PM, Mathias R=F6sel wrote: Here's another place where I I've posted it: http://de.share.geocities.com/mathiasroesel/Hamburg-Rebekka-II-08.mp3 Hope that helps. -- To get on or off this list see

[LUTE] Re: Goldberg Prize

2008-03-15 Thread howard posner
On Mar 15, 2008, at 5:55 AM, Benjamin Narvey wrote: The fact that a generalist early music magazine chose my submission bodes well for us, in that it seems a kind of litmus test showing the interest given the lute from civilian non-pluckers. Or perhaps yours was just far and away the

[LUTE] Re: live lute performances recorded with a zoom h2

2008-03-17 Thread howard posner
On Mar 17, 2008, at 2:55 PM, igor . wrote: diego ( i hope you are not italian ) is there any recorded tiorbino ? Lee Santana and Wolfgang Katschner play two Castaldi theorbo/tiorbino duets on Feast of San Rocco Venice 1608 (Sony s2k 66254) Vincent Dumestre and Massimo Moscardo play four

[LUTE] Re: Dowland-sighting

2008-03-21 Thread howard posner
On Mar 21, 2008, at 8:41 AM, Arne Keller wrote: Especially the bass saxophone player is good. It's a bass clarinet, but indeed sensitively played. I like the singer too. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov as a circus musician

2008-03-23 Thread howard posner
The bearded percussionist is Pedro Estevan. On Mar 23, 2008, at 10:02 AM, Sean Smith wrote: Btw, is that Lee Santana playing percussion? -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Capos

2008-03-24 Thread howard posner
On Mar 24, 2008, at 7:18 AM, Stewart McCoy wrote: Modern ones use elastic or a kind of spring mechanism Not all. I have an earlier version of this one: http://www.activemusician.com/item--MC.14FD? ref=brovchn=BIZovtac=CMPovcpn=Accessoriesovcrn=Dunlop+Professional +Guitar+Capo+%2D+Flat

[LUTE] Re: Reentrant newbie questions

2008-03-25 Thread howard posner
On Mar 25, 2008, at 6:28 AM, William Brohinsky wrote: I seek advice and help: On a student's budget, is there a source for scale and chord studies, the basics that would make the relations of the strings make more sense to someone who has been linear-all-his-life? Nigel North's book

[LUTE] Hurel download

2008-03-25 Thread howard posner
On Mar 25, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Peter Martin wrote: I guess this is the online Hurel facsimile that you were referring to. but can you give any guidance on how to open it? I am getting tied up in an unholy tangle of e-mules without much success Use a different browser? Otherwise I

[LUTE] Re: All open

2008-03-25 Thread howard posner
On Mar 25, 2008, at 3:22 PM, Stewart McCoy wrote: The strangest chord I have ever seen was at the start of The Creation by a baroque composer - I forget which. To represent chaos, the first chord had the numbers 7 6 5 4 3 2, or possibly 8 7 6 5 4 3 2. Can't go wrong, really. Les

[LUTE] Re: Fingering question

2008-03-30 Thread howard posner
On Mar 29, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Arthur Ness wrote: Where did Richafort find it? In a registered letter from Henry VIII. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Fingering question

2008-03-30 Thread howard posner
On Mar 29, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Arthur Ness wrote: Unless you have some urge to talk about Leonardo da Vinci's wandering beard. I just acquired such an urge, at least to the extent of understanding the reference. What are we talking about? -- To get on or off this list see list information

[LUTE] Re: Hurel

2008-04-12 Thread howard posner
Tony is talking about a modern computer-typeset edition of the Hurel Ms. On Apr 12, 2008, at 12:47 PM, LGS-Europe wrote: Dear Tony I have the 1996 Minkoff facsimile. In its colofon it says it is printed with the permission of the Piermont Morgan Library, New York, the owner of the ms. It

[LUTE] Re: Pavana

2008-04-13 Thread howard posner
This particular piece is a version of a well-known tune called La Gamba, which in many sources is called a galliard. If you play it as galliard, the walking steps of the duple pavan fit perfectly. The same is true of the triple-time pavan in Milan's El Maestro. There was a tradition of

[LUTE] Re: Aarrrgghhhh!!!

2008-04-16 Thread howard posner
On Apr 16, 2008, at 5:07 PM, David Rastall wrote: There's more garbage in that one short article than you get on our local tip in a year. Agreed. I love the bit about these long-necked lutes called continuos. Click on the continuos link. It will take you to page with nothing about

[LUTE] OT: Reportage (was Re: Aarrrgghhhh!!!)

2008-04-17 Thread howard posner
On Apr 17, 2008, at 6:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim wrote: Fact-checking takes time, and editors must be paid, so accurate reporting is time- and labor-intensive. Today's blogosphere, which rewards unschooled right-wing loudmouths who spew half-truths and worse, has no

[LUTE] Less OT: Reportage

2008-04-17 Thread howard posner
A propos of the Snopes Urban legend web site, I meant to mention that you can find a debunking of a truly idiotic story (a column in the Houston Chronicle) about Itzhak Perlman playing an entire concerto on three strings at: http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/perlman.asp To get on or

[LUTE] Re: Aarrrgghhhh!!!

2008-04-17 Thread howard posner
On Apr 17, 2008, at 1:26 AM, Rob MacKillop wrote: I was going to write to him and the guy who wrote the article, but thought better of it. We reap what we sow. It's not the first time I've had quotation remarks around comments I never made. Seems to be the way reporters work. Nothing to be

[LUTE] Re: Reportage (was Re: Aarrrgghhhh!!!)

2008-04-18 Thread howard posner
On Apr 17, 2008, at 8:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED], apparently in all seriousness, wrote: And I defy you to come up with one honest, factual example of Rush Limbaugh actually lying versus him merely presenting an informed opinion that differs from yours. For outright falsehoods, try:

[LUTE] Re: Mille Ducas

2008-04-19 Thread howard posner
On Apr 19, 2008, at 2:02 AM, Peter Martin wrote: I don't know who the SCA are, There's your problem. Had you known you were dealing with the Society for Creative Anachronism, you'd have known pretty much what you needed to know. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: help request

2008-04-30 Thread howard posner
On Apr 29, 2008, at 8:19 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: A friend of mine is wring a short article on the state of affairs in contemporary composition for lutes/citterns, and he asked me to assist in gathering the information. I don't know whether the planned new lute composition index by Lynda

[LUTE] Re: new piece of the month

2008-04-30 Thread howard posner
On Apr 30, 2008, at 7:12 AM, Ron Andrico wrote: When singing part music, a singer only had one part to read, and did not have the luxury of scanning the complete score to see where he or she could add bits here or there. Neither does the first oboe player in an orchestra playing Handel

[LUTE] Re: gnu piece of the month

2008-05-01 Thread howard posner
On May 1, 2008, at 9:50 AM, Mark Wheeler wrote: To play the devil's advocate.. I doubt if music for the average 21st century teenager is any less important than it was in 15??. I don't think they would see it as merely an extra. Ron's point is that everyone in some levels of

[LUTE] Re: Kind of explanatiom?

2008-05-04 Thread howard posner
On May 3, 2008, at 10:11 AM, The Other wrote: Admittedly, I don't follow the news as closely as I should. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: theorbo in Spain?

2008-05-11 Thread howard posner
On May 1, 2008, at 6:41 AM, Manolo Laguillo wrote: In the DICCIONARIO DE INSTRUMENTOS MUSICALES, Barcelona 2001, under 'tiorba', the author of it, Ramon Andres, after mentioning an inventar of possesions of Felipe II, the king of Spain, where two theorbos figure, Are we really talking about

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi Concerto as lute solo

2008-05-15 Thread howard posner
On May 15, 2008, at 9:29 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, is it known, in which pitch Vivaldi's orchestra was using? The short answer is no. To answer the question, we'd have to be sure where he was when he wrote it (he toured around a great deal) and assume he intended the pitch

[LUTE] Re: knots

2008-05-22 Thread howard posner
On May 22, 2008, at 10:02 AM, Peter Nightingale wrote: Am I inviting trouble if I attempt Ed's barrel/blood knot with gut? My experience with using leader is that gut is more likely than nylon to break at the knot eventually, nylon more likely to slip. Neither problem is serious and you

[LUTE] Re: Choosing Strings

2008-05-24 Thread howard posner
On May 24, 2008, at 6:52 AM, Martin Shepherd wrote: I note with interest that Arto's calculator allows us to work out the stringing for a 10m theorbo - what shall we say for the fingerboard strings, only 5m? Anything shorter than 3 meters is a toy theorbo anyway. -- To get on or off

[LUTE] Re: Choosing Strings

2008-05-24 Thread howard posner
On May 24, 2008, at 10:26 AM, Gernot Hilger wrote: Don't say that too loudly. You'll fall prey to Stephen Barber's wrath. Ask Martyn! I'm far more likely to fall prey to Martyn's wrath. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Choosing Strings

2008-05-25 Thread howard posner
On May 25, 2008, at 12:46 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Very good mt dear Howard - but really not at all. I very much welcomed your informed contributions as testing the envelope of knowledge by citing early sources and organological data rather than assertions based simply on personal

[LUTE] Re: Choosing Strings

2008-06-01 Thread howard posner
). Domestic music making, especially with lutes, might well have not reflected such a significant and discrete variation --- On Sun, 25/5/08, howard posner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: howard posner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LUTE] Re: Choosing Strings To: LUTELIST List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu

[LUTE] Re: heorbo sizes; theorbo definitions

2008-06-01 Thread howard posner
On Jun 1, 2008, at 5:58 PM, David Tayler wrote: Perhaps the answer, as far as theorbos go, is to have a new definition of theorbo. What's the question, exactly? Slim chance that everyone will agree on the definition, but perhaps a collective attempt is the way to go. I propose the

[LUTE] Re: Choosing Strings

2008-06-02 Thread howard posner
On Jun 2, 2008, at 2:06 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: How do do we (ie you) know, without prejudging the issue, that 1) the actual range of sizes of surviving instruments is much larger This implies you are able to identify double re-entrant instruments from single (not to mention

[LUTE] Re: Double headed 12c/loaded/Demi-filé

2008-06-03 Thread howard posner
On Jun 3, 2008, at 6:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the lute player on the cover of Hoppy's 'Vieux Gaultier' CD (who's the artist?) plays an instument with the first and second courses red but also the BASS string only of the 7th course. All the other ones are pale. Why? Maybe as a

[LUTE] Re: Double headed 12c/loaded/Demi-filé

2008-06-03 Thread howard posner
On Jun 3, 2008, at 6:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Makes perfect sense for the 7th course. ...but the top two? Those are probably the easiest two strings to find. Good point; I misread your first post. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Double headed 12c/loaded/Demi-filé

2008-06-05 Thread howard posner
You mean loaded gut is impossible? On Jun 5, 2008, at 12:00 PM, damian dlugolecki wrote: There is no way to change the specific weight or mass of a gut string by chemical means. If someone were to claim that there are ways to chemically change the gut to make it heavier, that would be

[LUTE] Re: Double headed 12c/loaded/ Demi-filé

2008-06-05 Thread howard posner
On Jun 5, 2008, at 1:12 PM, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote: Loading gut is adding physical mass by adding a substance denser than gut, not chemically altering the gut itself. If I'm not mistaken, loading is essentially infusing, which would be process similar to dyeing. Perhaps I'm mistaken. --

[LUTE] Re: Double headed 12c/loaded/ Demi-filé

2008-06-05 Thread howard posner
On Jun 5, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote: I don't think you are mistaken; however, that still would not involve a chemical change of the gut material itself. Does dyeing? The question, if I am again unmistaken, was whether a process used for dyeing might incidentally increase

[LUTE] Re: medieval plectrum, how to make?

2008-06-07 Thread howard posner
On Jun 6, 2008, at 5:37 AM, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote: My experiences with ironing goose quill, at least a split quill, have not been good. Maybe you should try removing it from the goose first. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Palestrina's lute (was Musical Crimes etc)

2008-06-08 Thread howard posner
On Jun 8, 2008, at 3:03 AM, Stewart McCoy wrote: I have a vague memory of hearing that Palestrina had a lute handy when composing. If you google palestrina lute mass into google (without the quotes) you should pull up a page of Jessie Ann Owens' The composer at work from Amazon that

[LUTE] Re: Palestrina's lute (was Musical Crimes etc)

2008-06-08 Thread howard posner
On Jun 8, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Stewart McCoy wrote: The Amazon site gives a lot of detail about Palestrina, and confirms that he used the lute while composing. Jessie Owens' book certainly looks a good read. I was mistaken in saying it was an Amazon site, BTW. It's Google Book Search. -- To

[LUTE] Re: John Donne

2008-06-16 Thread howard posner
Rob MacKillop wrote: What lute and voice settings are there of poems by John Donne (a long-time favourite poet of mine)? I'm also interested in settings for viols and voice or voices. Ferrabosco set The Expiration as So, so, leave off this last lamenting kisse (the seventh song in

[LUTE] Re: John Donne

2008-06-16 Thread howard posner
There's also: William Corkine: Break of Day (Second Booke of Ayres) John Hilton: A Hymn to God the Father And see: http://www.matthewwadsworth.com/Donne-info.htm -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: John Donne

2008-06-16 Thread howard posner
On Jun 16, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Rob MacKillop wrote: Together with Marlow, Donne and Dowland shared the same female patron, Lucy, Countess of Bedford. It must have been an interesting night. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Meantone

2008-06-18 Thread howard posner
On Jun 18, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: Anyway, the bulk of historical evidence is clearly in favour of a more or less equal temperament when considering fretted instruments like lutes or viols, As far as I know, the historical evidence consists mostly of: 1) Actual

[LUTE] Re: Meantone

2008-06-19 Thread howard posner
On Jun 19, 2008, at 8:18 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: A violin sonata by Georg Muffat modulates enharmonically from D major to Bb major. There goes meantone out the window. I have no idea what temperament Muffat liked, but those of us who keep our renaissance lutes in some sort of meantone

[LUTE] Re: French Style

2008-06-28 Thread howard posner
Professor Harold Hill wrote: all this 'quibble' about how to play music is interesting but pointless. True enough. There's nothing more pointless than musicians who want to know what they're doing. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: French Style

2008-06-28 Thread howard posner
On Jun 28, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Daniel Shoskes wrote: As Ray Nurse said yesterday (and I know he was quoting somebody else) A quick web search will turn up attributions to Elvis Costello, Laurie Anderson, Frank Zappa, Robyn Hitchcock, Thelonius Monk, Miles Davis and (don't ask me why) Woody

[LUTE] Re: French Style

2008-06-29 Thread howard posner
On Jun 29, 2008, at 6:54 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: This strikes me as the second most useless remark ever made about music, well ahead of the third-place opera in English makes about as much sense as baseball in Italian. (H.L. Mencken) You would reconsider the uselessness of it- if you ever

[LUTE] Re: very low pitch

2008-06-30 Thread howard posner
Tony Iommi picked up the guitar as a teenager, after being inspired by the likes of Hank Marvin and The Shadows. Just like Nigel North. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Decisions, decisions

2008-06-30 Thread howard posner
On Jun 30, 2008, at 4:14 PM, sterling price wrote: You just might find the left hand fingerings easier on the fingers than the ren-lute. But be sure your arthritic joints can handle the right-hand stretches. Imagine a few more courses on your nine-course. -- To get on or off this list

[LUTE] Re: Archlute strings

2008-07-01 Thread howard posner
On Jul 1, 2008, at 12:38 AM, LGS-Europe wrote: I don't fly much, but when I do I prefer an extra seat for the lute. This instrument in its case is just under 140cm, the other one over 155cm. Size matters in small planes and taxis. It certainly does. Toy planes are historically incorrect.

[LUTE] Re: Bizarre info request, bordering on advice request

2008-07-06 Thread howard posner
On Jul 6, 2008, at 1:27 PM, William Brohinsky wrote: All of which is said because I really want to be able to demonstrate that I could play that theorboed lute as a theorbo when I audition in a few months. I've been working the top six courses as an exercise with my classical guitar

[LUTE] Re: Bizarre info request, bordering on advice request

2008-07-07 Thread howard posner
On Jul 7, 2008, at 8:46 AM, William Brohinsky wrote: Folks, please forgive me, and let this subject drop, now? I had no intention of stubbing toes, firing up rwars, or causing people to point fingers. It is now obvious to me that I did not make the case for what I want to do clearly

[LUTE] Re: Bizarre info request, bordering on advice request

2008-07-07 Thread howard posner
On Jul 7, 2008, at 2:43 PM, William Brohinsky wrote: Give me a nice tame electron... Now I think you're addressing your request to the wrong group. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: videos

2008-07-23 Thread howard posner
On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:37 AM, David Tayler wrote: You can see the results here for comparison, with the caveat that this was a very dark room (noticeable grain): youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcRhaf1i59k vimeo http://www.vimeo.com/1318410 Note that this is the *exact* same

[LUTE] Re: Deep Purple

2008-08-21 Thread howard posner
On Aug 21, 2008, at 3:01 AM, Taco Walstra wrote: Maybe it's time that Ritchie should bring out a CD with songs by Campion or Dowland. There is perhaps a croatian lutenist available to play the lute part. Martin Barre is Croatian??? -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: A question about Theorbos

2008-09-04 Thread howard posner
On Sep 4, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Joshua Edward Horn wrote: I have a question about Theorbos. First off, how it's it pronounced (there-o-bo)??? Thee-oar-boe, with the initial th as in thick. and 2nd are the extended strings off the body just plucked and that's all they are used for?? (no

[LUTE] Re: A question about Theorbos

2008-09-04 Thread howard posner
On Sep 4, 2008, at 1:11 PM, Rob MacKillop wrote: Looks like an American accent, with that oar in there, Howie. I would say Thee - or - boe. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: A question about Theorbos

2008-09-04 Thread howard posner
On Sep 4, 2008, at 1:11 PM, Rob MacKillop wrote: Thee-oar-boe, with the initial th as in thick. Looks like an American accent, with that oar in there, Howie. I would say Thee - or - boe. But what do Scots know? [Don't answer that] Most Americans would pronounce the two spellings the same

[LUTE] Re: Respighi

2008-09-16 Thread howard posner
I believe the remaining pieces are from the Chilesotti Lute Book (Da un Codice Lauten-buch), a book of musicologist Oscar Chilesotti's transcriptions of a lute manuscript, which was published in 1891. The original lute book has not been available publicly, if at all, for more than a century.

[LUTE] Re: theorbo stringing

2008-09-17 Thread howard posner
On Sep 17, 2008, at 5:24 AM, Nigel Solomon wrote: Even though most surviving theorbos are strung 6 + 8, does anyone know of any originals strung 8 + 6 as many modern players seem to prefer? There are some instruments in the Lute Society of America's database that appear to be theorbos

[LUTE] Re: pre-newbie question

2008-09-18 Thread howard posner
On Sep 18, 2008, at 10:59 AM, Ed Durbrow wrote: When you say it is difficult for you to turn your left hand completely over, I don't understand what you mean, Nor I, but it reminds me of The Exorcist. but if you mean it is difficult to reach around and touch the frets, you are probably

[LUTE] (Spock and the Birkat Kohanim) tune the tuna

2008-09-23 Thread howard posner
Leonard Nimoy did indeed take the live long and prosper hand position from the Birkat Kohanim (Blessing of the Priests) traditionally said over the congregation by the priests (which is to say, men descended from priests, the Jewish priesthood having been otherwise unemployed since the

[LUTE] Re: Lute sound

2008-09-25 Thread howard posner
On Sep 25, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Sauvage Valéry wrote: And the other evidence (speak with some luthiers) is to try to play the strings in different places and hear where sound is the best (objectively, not just as an idea of your ideal sound) Of couse it depends on the lute, strings and

[LUTE] Re: Respighi

2008-09-26 Thread howard posner
On Sep 26, 2008, at 11:40 AM, Jeffrey Noonan wrote: Segovia was merely trying to keep up with the other international virtuosi of the day (Landowska, among others ), who were unearthing and performing old, obscure masterpieces--sometimes actual historical pieces, sometimes new compositions.

[LUTE] Re: Lute sound

2008-09-26 Thread howard posner
On Sep 26, 2008, at 1:03 PM, Sauvage Valéry wrote: I already tell my opinion on this, and ask luthier about it . Any luthier on the list ? The matter of taste of ancient players and listener is unknown now. You can quote this or that, and who knows what else was said ? (same with nails

[LUTE] Re: Lute sound

2008-09-27 Thread howard posner
On Sep 27, 2008, at 2:39 PM, Mathias Rösel wrote: Once you put the lute into a broader frame of 16th century ensemble, one might argue that there _was_ kinda ideal sound. On my way through the museum of musical instruments in Vienna, I learned that in the 16th century it was Spaltklang.

[LUTE] Re: Lute sound

2008-09-28 Thread howard posner
On Sep 28, 2008, at 5:57 AM, Mathias Rösel wrote: might argue that there _was_ kinda ideal sound. On my way through the museum of musical instruments in Vienna, I learned that in the 16th century it was Spaltklang. The obvious question would be who said that? The museum's iPod 8) And

[LUTE] Re: Respighi

2008-09-28 Thread howard posner
On Sep 28, 2008, at 12:24 PM, Arthur Ness wrote: He argued that Segovia was lying when he bragged to have commissioned the first guitar concerto of the 20th century. What was this concerto Segovia was supposed to have commissioned? -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Lute sound / split sound

2008-09-29 Thread howard posner
On Sep 29, 2008, at 4:22 AM, Mathias Rösel wrote: Hope that helps so far, as for chapters and verses. So if I understand correctly, the answer to my question about who mentioned Spaltklang is that it was 20th-century German musicologists interpreting the intent of earlier musicians without

[LUTE] Re: Lute sound/split sound

2008-10-02 Thread howard posner
Maybe we're talking nonsense because we haven't defined our terms. Or maybe you assume a clear dichotomy between blending and not blending; the world is a more complicated place than that. Indeed, I think the whole notion of a single sound ideal for all of Europe for a century or more is

[LUTE] Re: Dowland know-how

2008-10-04 Thread howard posner
On Oct 3, 2008, at 1:21 AM, David Tayler wrote: Having said that, England was famous for its eye rhymes You mean all over the Continent in 1600, poets were saying You've got to go to England and try the eye rhymes? Or do you mean that modern readers/listeners are struck by the number of

[LUTE] Re: John Wilson Preludes

2008-10-06 Thread howard posner
It's in Volume 7 of the Garland Press English Song 1600-1675, along with a couple hundred pages of Wilson's songs. On Oct 6, 2008, at 5:41 AM, Gmail Manuel Minguillon Nieto wrote: Which is the fastest and easiest way of getting John Wilson Preludes from manuscript of the Bodleian

[LUTE] Re: John Wilson Preludes

2008-10-06 Thread howard posner
Matthew Spring has done a modern edition of the solo pieces in tab and keyboard transcription http://diapason.xentonic.org/dp/dp049.html On Oct 6, 2008, at 7:13 AM, howard posner wrote: It's in Volume 7 of the Garland Press English Song 1600-1675, along with a couple hundred pages

[LUTE] Re: breaking-in a lute, not linear

2008-11-02 Thread howard posner
Mace actually warns of the dangers of plopping down carelessly on a bed with a lute in it, remarking that he has seen several lutes spoil'd with such a trick or words to that effect. I used to have the passage glued to my lute case, but that was a couple of decades and a couple of baroque

[LUTE] Re: breaking-in a lute, not linear

2008-11-02 Thread howard posner
On Nov 2, 2008, at 9:06 AM, ml wrote: hi, Howard, what do you mean with passage glued to my lute case? I mean I photocopied the pages from Mace, cut out the parts about keeping the lute in a bed but being careful not to flop down on it, and glued them to the case. -- To get on or off this

[LUTE] Re: origin of the word figueta

2008-11-03 Thread howard posner
On Nov 3, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: And in Russian figa is an obcene gesture of a masculine nature, consisting of the thumb protruding between index and middle fingers in a fist. The fig in English is the same gesture. It comes up a few times in Shakespeare. -- To get on or

[LUTE] Archlute player in Bartoli video?

2008-11-08 Thread howard posner
Who is this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG0Hqi8BQYMNR=1 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Soundboard Cleaning

2008-11-08 Thread howard posner
Actually, this has come up a few times here. At least one of the listers is a curator. Sorry you had to lug the drum along for nothing. On Nov 8, 2008, at 6:16 PM, David Tayler wrote: It is with a mixture of revulsion and delight that I relate the enzymes of choice for this task acknowledged

[LUTE] Re: figuetas

2008-11-09 Thread howard posner
So, is the angel in the upper left of this panel from the Sistine Chapel giving the prophet Zechariah the fig? And did Michelangelo give Zechariah Pope Julius II's face? http://www.abcgallery.com/M/michelangelo/michelangelo49.html To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Eye-gore

2008-11-09 Thread howard posner
On Nov 9, 2008, at 3:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look, if I wanted to read this kind of crap, I'd frequent the classical guitar list. This makes this list not worth it for me. With great reluctance, I have to conclude that, put plainly, either igor goes or I go. Might I

[LUTE] Re: Universale

2008-11-26 Thread howard posner
On Nov 26, 2008, at 2:32 PM, David Tayler wrote: When driving to a concert, my windshield wiper blew off in a driving rainstorm. Why was your windshield wiper driving to a concert? Visibility was zero, I tied the wiper on with a gut treble. And how did it sound? -- To get on or off this

[LUTE] Re: 1579 English cittern, Orpharion, Bandora..

2008-12-04 Thread howard posner
On Dec 4, 2008, at 12:12 PM, Daniel Winheld wrote: I glibly assumed (and mentioned in an email to Stewart) that orpharians bandoras would have had ET frets, based on my memory of pictures of the Rose the Palmer instruments- but now I don't trust what I might have missed, since I wasn't

[LUTE] Re: was Galliard after Laveche, now: scan vs camera

2008-12-07 Thread howard posner
On Dec 7, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Arthur Ness wrote: This concept protects some facsimile editions, as I understand. Thus according to Swiss law, Mrs. Minkoff can claim copyright not only for the photography but for the work itself. According to a notice** in her edition of the Siena MS, it is

[LUTE] Re: tablature notation guidelines

2008-12-08 Thread howard posner
On Dec 8, 2008, at 6:54 AM, Spring, aus dem, Rainer wrote: Would you strike through everything in a book? It would be a great improvement in many books. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: tablature notation guidelines

2008-12-08 Thread howard posner
On Dec 8, 2008, at 8:30 AM, Peter Nightingale wrote: See Feynman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EZcpTTjjXY Fascinating, captain. A prominent scientist offering two minutes of meaningless generalities without a single fact. Completely illogical. Yours truly. Mr. Spock -- To get on or

[LUTE] Re: tablature notation guidelines

2008-12-09 Thread howard posner
On Dec 9, 2008, at 2:29 PM, Lex van Sante wrote: However you should note that one cannot run Windows on a PPC- Mac. I do it all the time using Virtual PC. Not exactly a perfect option... -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: tablature notation guidelines

2008-12-09 Thread howard posner
On Dec 9, 2008, at 4:47 PM, Lex van Sante wrote: You mean you have actually been able to use Fronimo with Virtual PC? I've never tried to use Fronimo. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: le Tocsein de Gautier

2008-12-27 Thread howard posner
On Dec 27, 2008, at 5:14 PM, David Rastall wrote: but doesn't the English word tocsin refer to the pealing of a bell? Yes, but with the sense of alarm. You'd sound a tocsin in case of attack or fire, not for celebration. That's in English, of course. -- To get on or off this list see list

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