Dall'Aquila,
Francesco da Milano, and John Dowland, I can see their point.
Best wishes,
Denys
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From: Jim Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: LUTE-LIST lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:50 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: New Lutenist Question
The thing I
Awesome...anybody got that for 8 course Lute...i play that as part of
my
Neil
Find it attched as a pdf-file. I made it to woe a teenage lute-student pupil
some years ago, he's gone over to guitar by now. Though still with me. It's
for 6-course, and it's an arrangement that includes the
At 07:01 PM 11/14/2006, Roman Turovsky wrote:
...and tabulature allows any piece to be played by any lute of any
size within its appropriate time-period, regardless of the key and its
relationship to each partucular instrument's pitch.
..Other than a set relative pitch of intervals between
At 08:20 PM 11/14/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But why are we speaking of tab as if its a thing of
the past? It is very much alive and well for the
guitar, in fact it must surely be the prefered form of
notating guitar music if we go by shear popularity.
I think modern tablature that does not
And that was before the age of scordatura set in, when even mensural
notation became a sort of tabulature.
RT
At 07:01 PM 11/14/2006, Roman Turovsky wrote:
...and tabulature allows any piece to be played by any lute of any
size within its appropriate time-period, regardless of the key and its
At 07:21 AM 11/15/2006, Stewart McCoy wrote:
One advantage staff notation has over tablature is that the length
of each note can be shown accurately...
Another is that staff notation is universal to western music and more
easily translated by different instruments while tablature depends upon
On Wednesday 15 November 2006 13:21, you wrote:
Stewart,
You are right. Isn't it amazing pieces like tombeau de mr comte d'logy by
Weiss in d flat minor (if I remember well) were not written down in staff and
later translated into tabulature, just directly tablature. Kind of mental
switch I
At 07:50 AM 11/15/2006, Denys Stephens wrote:
Dear Jim,
The incontestable reason for the survival of lute tablature
is that it was the medium used by historical lutenists to
preserve their music. Even today, despite the efforts of
editors of lute music throughout the last century, the
greater part
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The thing I really don't like about tablature is that it's hard to measure
intervals and in general to get a spatial sense of the music by looking at
it. I've often read that tab was necessary given
On Nov 15, 2006, at 1:04 PM, Narada wrote:
What fascinates me now is to find out whether the lute has scales
such as
major, minor, Aeolian, Lydian etc and chordal structures.
Sure it does. It has all those things. I know it sounds as though
I'm stating the obvious, but you get the
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is in Bb minor - five flats in the key signature
and so the same as Db Major. Db minor would, of
course, be the same as C minor, only a lot harder to
read.
OK, now I made a silly mistake... make that Db
minor=C# minor.
Chris
The advantage of using a guitar is that you can play duets for lutes
of different sizes. If you want to play duets for equal lutes, you
will probably have to have a capo at the third fret of the guitar.
If, on the other hand, you want to play duets for lutes a tone
apart, you simply move the
Isn't that a tall order? Maybe if all one concentrates on is a G lute and
guitar (capoed up), then one could learn all the positions in, say, many
years. But do people really learn the fingerboards of, say, ren lute in G,
baroque lute in dm, archlute (in ??), etc???
Jim
On 11/13/06, Mathias
Isn't that a tall order? Maybe if all one concentrates on is a G lute and
guitar (capoed up), then one could learn all the positions in, say, many
years. But do people really learn the fingerboards of, say, ren lute in G,
baroque lute in dm, archlute (in ??), etc???
I know the fingerboards
On Nov 14, 2006, at 12:22 PM, Are Vidar Boye Hansen wrote:
I know the fingerboards of my renaissance lute in G, baroque lute in
d-minor, archlute in G and fender stratocaster in E. I honestly don't
understand why many lutensits find this so difficult.
Not to mention acoustic folk guitars in
Well, if that's the case, why use tablature? Really. Is there any other
reason?
On 11/14/06, Are Vidar Boye Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Isn't that a tall order? Maybe if all one concentrates on is a G lute
and
guitar (capoed up), then one could learn all the positions in, say, many
For that very reason: so one could learn MANY fingerboards.
RT
From: Jim Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: LUTE-LIST lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Well, if that's the case, why use tablature? Really. Is there any other
reason?
On 11/14/06, Are Vidar Boye Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Isn't that a
On Nov 14, 2006, at 1:04 PM, Jim Abraham wrote:
Well, if that's the case, why use tablature? Really. Is there any
other
reason?
Good question. One asnwer lies in the H word: historically.
Historically, tablature was the most efficient way to put polyphony
on a single staff.
Well, if that's the case, why use tablature? Really. Is there any other
reason?
I think Stewart McCoy claimed that tabulature is an excellent way of
notating polyphonic music for a plucked instrument.
Anyway, lutenists did play from score, just think of continuo playing.
I am certain that
I'm a novice, which explains why I don't understand Mr. McCoy's assertion.
Can you explain it?
On 11/14/06, Are Vidar Boye Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, if that's the case, why use tablature? Really. Is there any other
reason?
I think Stewart McCoy claimed that tabulature is an
I hope Stewart will explain it himself!
Are
I'm a novice, which explains why I don't understand Mr. McCoy's assertion.
Can you explain it?
On 11/14/06, Are Vidar Boye Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, if that's the case, why use tablature? Really. Is there any other
reason?
I think
Well, if that's the case, why use tablature? Really. Is there any
other reason?
Good question. One asnwer lies in the H word: historically.
Historically, tablature was the most efficient way to put polyphony
on a single staff.
I'm not against tablatures. Of course, I prefer playing
)
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From: Mathias Rösel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 November 2006 20:25
To: LUTE-LIST
Subject: [LUTE] Re: New Lutenist Question
Well, if that's the case, why use tablature? Really. Is there any
other reason?
Good question. One asnwer lies in the H word
Wouldn't a small advantage for the tabulature be that a specific
position for obtaining a note can be made explicit?
The tone could be different according to the way it is acheived (e.g;
open strings or not), or am I completely mistaken, here?
It is late and I might be becoming a little
if it was a bit
more difficult to play.
Guy
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From: Anthony Hindmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Are Vidar Boye Hansenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ;
LUTE-LISTmailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 2:58 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: New Lutenist
in days of old ... wasn't the majority of musical
knowledge passed from one to another in a show me how
you did that ... situation - where one person played
and another one copied? tabs or notation - either/or
- was simply for those unfortunates without the prime
benefit of someone better to play
This is exactly Baron's opinion on the matter.
RT
Wouldn't a small advantage for the tabulature be that a specific
position for obtaining a note can be made explicit?
The tone could be different according to the way it is acheived (e.g;
open strings or not), or am I completely mistaken,
of necessity.
Best wishes,
Stewart McCoy.
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From: Are Vidar Boye Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jim Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: LUTE-LIST lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:50 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: New Lutenist Question
I hope Stewart
relationship to each partucular instrument's pitch.
RT
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From: Jim Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: LUTE-LIST lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:50 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: New Lutenist Question
The thing I really don't like about tablature
Hello, lutelisters,
in this context (staff and/or tablature), I would like to share with you
a procedure that is helping me in overcome certain vices which have to
do with a build up of bad reflexes, ie, the relation between:
- the visual information tablature offers,
- and the finger postures
Well, if that's the ca
se, why use tablature? Really. Is there any other
reason?
Dear Jim,
Stewart's point, I think, was that intabulation showed a specific
arrangement that fit the specific tuning of the common lute. If there
was common practice that 99% of the players played, say, lutes
Thanks for the information. The lute world is indeed deliciously, um,
intricate? complicated? something good.
On 11/14/06, Sean Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, if that's the ca
se, why use tablature? Really. Is there any other
reason?
Dear Jim,
Stewart's point, I think, was
--- Sean Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It was easy to transcribe, both by hand and in
print. It allowed the
individual to transmit his own fingerings and
provided a diagram that
was easily absorbed by the brain at speed for those
weak of harmonic
education. I don't know which of these
Jim Abraham wrote:
The thing I really don't like about tablature is that it's hard to
measure
intervals and in general to get a spatial sense of the music by
looking at
it.
That just means you're note experienced enough with tablature. If you
were new to staff notation, you'd have the
On Nov 14, 2006, at 5:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Sean Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It was easy to transcribe, both by hand and in
print. It allowed the
individual to transmit his own fingerings and
provided a diagram that
was easily absorbed by the brain at speed for those
Many thanks to those who responded to my cry for help. Thanks also to David
for the mp3 file, this is now safely loaded into my studio and locked
against deletion. I've also tweaked my TU2 tuner to chromatic and that seems
to do the job too!. I now have a better understanding of this. So now I've
Narada wrote:
Greetings from West Yorks, England.
I've recently purchased an 8 course Lute. I fancied a new challenge after -
and still - playing blues rock guitar for the best part of 40 years but I
have a question:
Can anybody out there point me to a web site where I can get hold
--- Stuart Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Assuming you've got the top six courses in tune
(just like a guitar with
the third string down a semitone - and capoed at the
third fret) then
tune the seventh course to the fourth course. And
the eighth course to
the fifth course at the second
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