[LUTE] Re: String depression

2009-03-20 Thread David Tayler
There's lots of ways to change the pitch--and by the way I used the word Sideways in my post--it's also a great movie, BTW. In addition to the obvious ways, I use techniques borrowed from viol players. By grabbing the string and rocking it forward--bridgeward--you can slightly lower the pitch.

[LUTE] Re: String depression

2009-03-20 Thread David Tayler
Just put the mighty Korg on and see how much the pitch changes. If the needle does not move, change the batteries. dt At 10:17 PM 3/19/2009, you wrote: On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Sean Smith wrote: It's not the tension but the stiffness of the strings that counts. Peter. I don't understand

[LUTE] Re: String depression

2009-03-20 Thread Martyn Hodgson
But the rise in pitch is the direct result of an increase in length --- On Thu, 19/3/09, Alexander Batov alexander.ba...@vihuelademano.com wrote: From: Alexander Batov alexander.ba...@vihuelademano.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: String depression To: Cc:

[LUTE] Re: String depression

2009-03-20 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Indeed. To return to the principal matter (wether low frets and low string depression to fingerboard are advantageous): depressing the string from just touching the fret top to 'bottoming out' on the fingerboard results in a miniscule increase in string length (and hence pitch)

[LUTE] Re: thick frets and thick octaves

2009-03-20 Thread Anthony Hind
Does the thicker fret solution usually go together with the low tension theory? Presumably, the lower the tension the more delicate the adjustment of pressure on the string can become? Is it possible to compensate for difference of thickness between the bass and its octave, by

[LUTE] Re: String depression and fret sizes

2009-03-20 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Thank you David, When you say you use thick frets, what rough sizes are you talking about? And are they graduated? Also, do you use double fret loops, as seems to have been the general historic practice (discussion was had earlier about this - in the archives). This very

[LUTE] Re: thick frets and thick octaves

2009-03-20 Thread hodgsonmartyn
All good points Anthony. The new question of tension on octaves is especially interesting and, as far as I'm aware, has not been addressed based on early evidence. Incidentally, in addition to some French composers, Von Radolt (1701) from the Austro/Bohemian school makes

[LUTE] Re: String depression

2009-03-20 Thread David Tayler
They work better for me. The thin ones wear out faster if you do a lot of tuning. I wear out my second fret very quckly. Also, you have to get a good grip on the string for forward rolls. I can't do that with a thin fret. For me it is a touch issue mainly, I can slide on any fret, but can't do

[LUTE] Re: Hi guys, nylon frets...

2009-03-20 Thread Omer Katzir
For me, it not much of a problem with higher action. it not like i'm going to use 5cm frets :-D I have 0.60mm fishing wire, but it looks very very thin, should I try with that too? and how? I'm still not sure how to handle the nylon frets I have. But I will try some of your recommendation

[LUTE] Re: String depression

2009-03-20 Thread Alexander Batov
No, it's not. Think again or perhaps watch this little video that may help you to get an idea what happens when one's fiddling about with strings in-between frets: [1]http://tinyurl.com/cfajt5 AB - Original Message - From: [2]Martyn Hodgson To: [3]Alexander

[LUTE] Re: String depression

2009-03-20 Thread William Brohinsky
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 3:49 AM, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:   Indeed.   To return to the principal matter (wether low frets and low string   depression to fingerboard are advantageous): depressing the string from   just touching the fret top to 'bottoming out' on the

[LUTE] Re: String depression

2009-03-20 Thread Martyn Hodgson
I thought it unecessarily pedantic to write: 'hence tension and hence pitch'. The essential point is that the very small deflection resulting from depressing a string just touching the top of a fret through to bottoming out on the fingerboard results in negligible increase in

[LUTE] Re: String depression

2009-03-20 Thread Martyn Hodgson
I'm sorry if I misled you through not wishing to be unecessarily pedantic: Yes, increase in length results in increase in tension which results in increase in pitch; in short, the increase in length results in an increase in pitch. The point is that, as in the example I gave, the

[LUTE] Re: String depression

2009-03-20 Thread Rob MacKillop
2009/3/20 Alexander Batov [1]alexander.ba...@vihuelademano.com No, it's not. Think again or perhaps watch this little video that may help you to get an idea what happens when one's fiddling about with strings in-between frets:

[LUTE] new piece of the month

2009-03-20 Thread Martin Shepherd
Hi All, The new piece (for February - one of these days I will catch up wuth myself) is in the usual place: www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.htm Best wishes, Martin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] lowering the action

2009-03-20 Thread angevinews
I've been reading the thread about bending strings about frets with interest. But my current problem is simpler. I have a lute with action that is too high. Using the test David van Edwards gives in his little Care of the Lute booklet, it seems that the action is just too high

[LUTE] Re: lowering the action

2009-03-20 Thread alexander
The very best first course of action would be to have a someone with an understanding, to look at the instrument. Basically all the other options should be on hold, until this first one is achieved. This could be the maker, or repair-person (!), or someone who dealt with this situation before,

[LUTE] Re: lowering the action

2009-03-20 Thread Martin Shepherd
Dear Suzanne, If your action is too high at the nut (and only at the nut), this is easy to fix, though making deeper grooves in nuts is not for the faint-hearted and you need a suitably small needle file and some means of polishing the grooves to make them smooth again. You could

[LUTE] Re: thick frets and thick octaves

2009-03-20 Thread Anthony Hind
Dear Martyn Le 20 mars 09 à 10:35, hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk a écrit : All good points Anthony. The new question of tension on octaves is especially interesting and, as far as I'm aware, has not been addressed based on early evidence. Incidentally, in addition to some

[LUTE] Re: lowering the action

2009-03-20 Thread demery
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009, Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk said: Dear Suzanne, If your action is too high at the nut (and only at the nut), this is easy to fix, though making deeper grooves in nuts is not for the faint-hearted all too true. There are some who beleive that the grooves