Re: About LyX menus usability.

2012/10/18 Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org: How are these things called in Word Processors and PDF Readers in English UIs? Comments, AFAICS. Jürgen

Re: About LyX menus usability.

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org wrote: I wonder if the term Annotation for LyX Notes and comments would be better. I think less people would associate that with footnotes and marginal notes. Actually this would be a good idea. How are these things called in

Re: About LyX menus usability.

Le 18/10/2012 11:34, Liviu Andronic a écrit : On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org wrote: I wonder if the term Annotation for LyX Notes and comments would be better. I think less people would associate that with footnotes and marginal notes. Actually this would be

Re: About LyX menus usability.

Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: What about Version Control operations ? They probably affect the whole document, so move them to Document ? However, it's quite common to find that stuff under File. No, this really belongs to file, not to the document content. Again, inserting figures is very very

Re: About LyX menus usability.

On 2012-10-17, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: On 17/10/12 11:26, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Marginal notes and footnotes are conceptually different to the LyX notes, despite the similar name. LyX notes are rather editiorial tools (adressed at the author/editor; except for greyed out maybe, which is

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

2012/10/18 Jürgen Spitzmüller : > How are these things called in Word Processors and PDF Readers in English UIs? "Comments", AFAICS. Jürgen

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > I wonder if the term "Annotation" for LyX Notes and comments would be > better. I think less people would associate that with footnotes and > marginal notes. > Actually this would be a good idea. > How are these things

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

Le 18/10/2012 11:34, Liviu Andronic a écrit : On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: I wonder if the term "Annotation" for LyX Notes and comments would be better. I think less people would associate that with footnotes and marginal notes. Actually this

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: > What about "Version Control" operations ? They probably affect the whole > document, so move them to Document ? However, it's quite common to find > that stuff under "File". No, this really belongs to file, not to the document content. > Again, inserting figures is

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

On 2012-10-17, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: > On 17/10/12 11:26, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: >> Marginal notes and footnotes are conceptually different to the >> LyX notes, despite the similar name. LyX notes are rather editiorial >> tools (adressed at the author/editor; except for "greyed out maybe, >>

Re: About LyX menus usability.

Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: However, nobody seems to care about marginal note. So, I would readily move it to the Insert-Note sub-menu. At least, it will be 1 less entry in the crowded Insert menu. I think margin/foot note should be rather coupled together... I also noticed that the

Re: About LyX menus usability.

Le 17/10/2012 10:30, Pavel Sanda a écrit : Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: However, nobody seems to care about marginal note. So, I would readily move it to the Insert-Note sub-menu. At least, it will be 1 less entry in the crowded Insert menu. I think margin/foot note should be rather coupled

Re: About LyX menus usability.

2012/10/17 Pavel Sanda: Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: However, nobody seems to care about marginal note. So, I would readily move it to the Insert-Note sub-menu. At least, it will be 1 less entry in the crowded Insert menu. I think margin/foot note should be rather coupled together... Agreed.

Re: About LyX menus usability.

Le 17/10/2012 12:26, Jürgen Spitzmüller a écrit : Agreed. Marginal notes and footnotes are conceptually different to the LyX notes, despite the similar name. LyX notes are rather editiorial tools (adressed at the author/editor; except for greyed out maybe, which is a problematic case in itself).

Re: About LyX menus usability.

Le 15/10/12 22:41, Andrew Parsloe a écrit : Anyone who can drop pleonastic into a sentence hardly needs a native English speaker. Well I am able to check in a dictionary that the French word pléonastique actually translates to English (it looks like it comes from English actually). But of

Re: About LyX menus usability.

On 17/10/12 11:26, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Marginal notes and footnotes are conceptually different to the LyX notes, despite the similar name. LyX notes are rather editiorial tools (adressed at the author/editor; except for greyed out maybe, which is a problematic case in itself). Footnotes,

Re: About LyX menus usability.

On 09/10/12 14:44, Charles de Miramon wrote: Like Pavel, I find the Insert menu too long. Maybe, everything that relates to the life cycle of the document (annotations, branches) could go into 'Document' Do you mean: moving Insert-Branch to document ? AFAIU, it's really a local edit, so it

Re: About LyX menus usability.

Le 18/10/12 00:30, Tommaso Cucinotta a écrit : Do you mean: moving Insert-Branch to document ? AFAIU, it's really a local edit, so it should stay in Insert. Yes. What about Version Control operations ? They probably affect the whole document, so move them to Document ? However, it's quite

Re: About LyX menus usability.

On 17/10/12 23:19, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: On 17/10/12 11:26, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: For my lectures, I use marginal notes quite a lot, and I would be quite annoyed if they wouldn't be easily reachable anymore (via Alt+E+R in my German l7n currently). Further alternative/proposal: what

Re: About LyX menus usability.

Le 18/10/12 00:40, Tommaso Cucinotta a écrit : On 17/10/12 23:19, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: On 17/10/12 11:26, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: For my lectures, I use marginal notes quite a lot, and I would be quite annoyed if they wouldn't be easily reachable anymore (via Alt+E+R in my German l7n

Re: About LyX menus usability.

On 18/10/2012 11:15 a.m., Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 15/10/12 22:41, Andrew Parsloe a écrit : Anyone who can drop pleonastic into a sentence hardly needs a native English speaker. Well I am able to check in a dictionary that the French word pléonastique actually translates to English (it

Re: About LyX menus usability.

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes lasgout...@lyx.org wrote: But knowing which one of pane or panel is more suited to UI is more delicate. I'm no native English speaker either, but from my experience with FOSS programs the Source and Messages thingies that LyX has are

Re: About LyX menus usability.

2012/10/18 Jean-Marc Lasgouttes lasgout...@lyx.org: Yes, but the point is that there is note and note. I agree that our current UI is not very good at separating the two (markup vs author annotation), but it is not a reason for making this worse. I wonder if the term Annotation for LyX Notes

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: > However, nobody seems to care about "marginal note". So, I would readily > move it to the Insert->Note sub-menu. At least, it will be 1 less entry in > the "crowded" Insert menu. I think margin/foot note should be rather coupled together... > I also noticed that the

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

Le 17/10/2012 10:30, Pavel Sanda a écrit : Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: However, nobody seems to care about "marginal note". So, I would readily move it to the Insert->Note sub-menu. At least, it will be 1 less entry in the "crowded" Insert menu. I think margin/foot note should be rather coupled

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

2012/10/17 Pavel Sanda: > Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: >> However, nobody seems to care about "marginal note". So, I would readily >> move it to the Insert->Note sub-menu. At least, it will be 1 less entry in >> the "crowded" Insert menu. > > I think margin/foot note should be rather coupled

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

Le 17/10/2012 12:26, Jürgen Spitzmüller a écrit : Agreed. Marginal notes and footnotes are conceptually different to the LyX notes, despite the similar name. LyX notes are rather editiorial tools (adressed at the author/editor; except for "greyed out maybe, which is a problematic case in

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

Le 15/10/12 22:41, Andrew Parsloe a écrit : Anyone who can drop "pleonastic" into a sentence hardly needs a native English speaker. Well I am able to check in a dictionary that the French word "pléonastique" actually translates to English (it looks like it comes from English actually). But

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

On 17/10/12 11:26, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Marginal notes and footnotes are conceptually different to the LyX notes, despite the similar name. LyX notes are rather editiorial tools (adressed at the author/editor; except for "greyed out maybe, which is a problematic case in itself). Footnotes,

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

On 09/10/12 14:44, Charles de Miramon wrote: Like Pavel, I find the Insert menu too long. Maybe, everything that relates to the life cycle of the document (annotations, branches) could go into 'Document' Do you mean: moving "Insert->Branch" to document ? AFAIU, it's really a local edit, so it

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

Le 18/10/12 00:30, Tommaso Cucinotta a écrit : Do you mean: moving "Insert->Branch" to document ? AFAIU, it's really a local edit, so it should stay in Insert. Yes. What about "Version Control" operations ? They probably affect the whole document, so move them to Document ? However, it's

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

On 17/10/12 23:19, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: On 17/10/12 11:26, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: For my lectures, I use marginal notes quite a lot, and I would be quite annoyed if they wouldn't be easily reachable anymore (via Alt+E+R in my German l7n currently). Further alternative/proposal: what

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

Le 18/10/12 00:40, Tommaso Cucinotta a écrit : On 17/10/12 23:19, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: On 17/10/12 11:26, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: For my lectures, I use marginal notes quite a lot, and I would be quite annoyed if they wouldn't be easily reachable anymore (via Alt+E+R in my German l7n

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

On 18/10/2012 11:15 a.m., Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 15/10/12 22:41, Andrew Parsloe a écrit : Anyone who can drop "pleonastic" into a sentence hardly needs a native English speaker. Well I am able to check in a dictionary that the French word "pléonastique" actually translates to English

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > But knowing which one of pane or panel is more suited to UI is more > delicate. > I'm no native English speaker either, but from my experience with FOSS programs the Source and Messages thingies that LyX has are

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

2012/10/18 Jean-Marc Lasgouttes : > Yes, but the point is that there is note and note. I agree that our current > UI is not very good at separating the two (markup vs author annotation), but > it is not a reason for making this worse. I wonder if the term "Annotation" for LyX

Re: About LyX menus usability.

On 2012-10-11, Kornel Benko wrote: [-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: 7bit --] Am Donnerstag, 11. Oktober 2012 um 17:33:19, schrieb Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: -) move Marginal note (and Footnote ?) to Insert-Note sub-menu Knowing well that I'm opening pandora

Re: About LyX menus usability.

Guenter Milde wrote: However, I strongly suggest to rename it to something less missleading than short title. The often-discussed solution is outlined here: http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6753#comment:2 I'll try to get this done for 2.1. Jürgen

Re: About LyX menus usability.

On 15/10/12 21:41, Andrew Parsloe wrote: The New Oxf. Dict. gives the familiar computer usage against pane and no such use against panel (but my copy of the dictionary dates from the 1990s). This suggests (but not strongly) that pane should be used. Pushed a couple of commits, let's see how

Re: About LyX menus usability.

On 13/10/12 10:42, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Messages should be renamed message pane (panel?) so it is now (pane) LaTeX source = LaTeX Source Pane it doesn't show merely latex (even though it might be considered the main functionality), but also various other formats, which, ehm,

Re: About LyX menus usability.

On 11/10/12 17:48, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: 2012/10/11 Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org: Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: -) move Marginal note (and Footnote ?) to Insert-Note sub-menu Footnote to submenu? No please (this is a too important feature). So, the footnote seems critical and everyone wants it

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

On 2012-10-11, Kornel Benko wrote: > [-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: 7bit --] > Am Donnerstag, 11. Oktober 2012 um 17:33:19, schrieb Pavel Sanda > >> Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: >> > -) move Marginal note (and Footnote ?) to Insert->Note sub-menu >> >> Knowing well that I'm

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

Guenter Milde wrote: >However, I strongly suggest to rename it to something less missleading > than "short title". The often-discussed solution is outlined here: http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6753#comment:2 I'll try to get this done for 2.1. Jürgen

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

On 15/10/12 21:41, Andrew Parsloe wrote: The New Oxf. Dict. gives the familiar computer usage against "pane" and no such use against "panel" (but my copy of the dictionary dates from the 1990s). This suggests (but not strongly) that "pane" should be used. Pushed a couple of commits, let's

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

On 13/10/12 10:42, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Messages should be renamed "message pane" (panel?) so it is now ("pane") LaTeX source => "LaTeX Source Pane" it doesn't show merely latex (even though it might be considered the main functionality), but also various other formats, which,

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

On 11/10/12 17:48, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: 2012/10/11 Pavel Sanda : Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: -) move Marginal note (and Footnote ?) to Insert->Note sub-menu Footnote to submenu? No please (this is a too important feature). So, the footnote seems critical and everyone wants

Re: About LyX menus usability.

Le 13/10/2012 20:43, Tommaso Cucinotta a écrit : On 13/10/12 19:38, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: On 13/10/12 10:42, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I also agree that moving document view/update to Document makes sense: they do not fit the definition above. I think we should proceed in a

Re: About LyX menus usability.

On 15/10/2012 10:45 p.m., Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 13/10/2012 20:43, Tommaso Cucinotta a écrit : On 13/10/12 19:38, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: On 13/10/12 10:42, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I also agree that moving document view/update to Document makes sense: they do not fit the

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

Le 13/10/2012 20:43, Tommaso Cucinotta a écrit : On 13/10/12 19:38, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: On 13/10/12 10:42, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I also agree that moving document view/update to Document makes sense: they do not fit the definition above. I think we should proceed in a

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

On 15/10/2012 10:45 p.m., Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 13/10/2012 20:43, Tommaso Cucinotta a écrit : On 13/10/12 19:38, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: On 13/10/12 10:42, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I also agree that moving document view/update to Document makes sense: they do not fit the

Re: Re: About LyX menus usability.

Am Samstag, 13. Oktober 2012 um 19:43:48, schrieb Tommaso Cucinotta tomm...@lyx.org On 13/10/12 19:38, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: On 13/10/12 10:42, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I also agree that moving document view/update to Document makes sense: they do not fit the definition above. I

Re: Re: About LyX menus & usability.

Am Samstag, 13. Oktober 2012 um 19:43:48, schrieb Tommaso Cucinotta > On 13/10/12 19:38, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: > > On 13/10/12 10:42, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > >> I also agree that moving document view/update to Document makes > >> sense: they do not fit the definition

Re: About LyX menus usability.

Le 13/10/2012 01:21, Tommaso Cucinotta a écrit : On 30/09/12 00:17, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: Let me propose to rework the menus arrangement: -) move Outline from Document to View menu I would not oppose to that: View is related to showing or hiding UI elements: outline, messages, latex

Re: About LyX menus usability.

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 13/10/2012 01:21, Tommaso Cucinotta a écrit : On 30/09/12 00:17, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: Let me propose to rework the menus arrangement: -) move Outline from Document to View menu I would not oppose to that: View is related to showing or hiding UI elements:

Re: About LyX menus usability.

On 13/10/12 10:42, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I also agree that moving document view/update to Document makes sense: they do not fit the definition above. I think we should proceed in a quasi-reversible fashion: do small uncontroversial changes first instead of trying a revolution.

Re: About LyX menus usability.

On 13/10/12 19:38, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: On 13/10/12 10:42, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I also agree that moving document view/update to Document makes sense: they do not fit the definition above. I think we should proceed in a quasi-reversible fashion: do small uncontroversial changes

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

Le 13/10/2012 01:21, Tommaso Cucinotta a écrit : On 30/09/12 00:17, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: Let me propose to rework the menus arrangement: -) move Outline from Document to View menu I would not oppose to that: View is related to showing or hiding UI elements: outline, messages, latex

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Le 13/10/2012 01:21, Tommaso Cucinotta a écrit : >> On 30/09/12 00:17, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: >>> Let me propose to rework the menus arrangement: >>> >>> -) move Outline from Document to View menu > > I would not oppose to that: View is related to showing or hiding

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

On 13/10/12 10:42, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I also agree that moving document view/update to Document makes sense: they do not fit the definition above. I think we should proceed in a quasi-reversible fashion: do small uncontroversial changes first instead of trying a revolution.

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

On 13/10/12 19:38, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: On 13/10/12 10:42, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I also agree that moving document view/update to Document makes sense: they do not fit the definition above. I think we should proceed in a quasi-reversible fashion: do small uncontroversial changes

Re: About LyX menus usability.

Pavel Sanda wrote: Yes I expected something like this And I did not even start to read to whole thread. Jürgen

Re: About LyX menus usability.

On 30/09/12 00:17, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: Let me propose to rework the menus arrangement: -) move Outline from Document to View menu e.g.: bug #7603 T.

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

Pavel Sanda wrote: > Yes I expected something like this And I did not even start to read to whole thread. Jürgen

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

On 30/09/12 00:17, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: Let me propose to rework the menus arrangement: -) move Outline from Document to View menu e.g.: bug #7603 T.

Re: About LyX menus usability.

Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: -) move Marginal note (and Footnote ?) to Insert-Note sub-menu Knowing well that I'm opening pandora box and risking subsequent flames when it comes to Insert menu we could a) hide not so often used entries somewhere - Date -? - Short Title - Float (I believe

Re: About LyX menus usability.

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote: Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: -) move Marginal note (and Footnote ?) to Insert-Note sub-menu Knowing well that I'm opening pandora box and risking subsequent flames when it comes to Insert menu we could a) hide not so often

Re: About LyX menus usability.

2012/10/11 Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org: Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: -) move Marginal note (and Footnote ?) to Insert-Note sub-menu Footnote to submenu? No please (this is a too important feature). Knowing well that I'm opening pandora box and risking subsequent flames when it comes to Insert menu

Re: About LyX menus usability.

2012/10/11 Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com: (do you see the reason behind horizontal line after nomeclature?) However I'm not sure about moving it to submenu as you proposed. If you use crossref/label or citations often it could be PITA for many users ;) If you really use

Re: Re: About LyX menus usability.

Am Donnerstag, 11. Oktober 2012 um 17:33:19, schrieb Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: -) move Marginal note (and Footnote ?) to Insert-Note sub-menu Knowing well that I'm opening pandora box and risking subsequent flames when it comes to Insert menu we could a)

Re: About LyX menus usability.

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: moving often used entries to submenu is not good idea. So I would be rather careful what other people think about it. hear, hear. Yes I expected something like this :) Pavel

Re: About LyX menus usability.

Le 11/10/12 17:42, Liviu Andronic a écrit : However I'm not sure about moving it to submenu as you proposed. If you use crossref/label or citations often it could be PITA for many users ;) If you really use this often, you're likely to use the toolbar buttons instead of the menu.

Re: About LyX menus usability.

Le 11/10/12 20:42, Pavel Sanda a écrit : Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: moving often used entries to submenu is not good idea. So I would be rather careful what other people think about it. hear, hear. Yes I expected something like this :) How difficult would it be to collect

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: > -) move Marginal note (and Footnote ?) to Insert->Note sub-menu Knowing well that I'm opening pandora box and risking subsequent flames when it comes to Insert menu we could a) hide not so often used entries somewhere - Date ->? - Short Title -> Float (I

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote: > Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: >> -) move Marginal note (and Footnote ?) to Insert->Note sub-menu > > > Knowing well that I'm opening pandora box and risking subsequent flames > when it comes to Insert menu we could > a) hide not

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

2012/10/11 Pavel Sanda : > Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: >> -) move Marginal note (and Footnote ?) to Insert->Note sub-menu Footnote to submenu? No please (this is a too important feature). > Knowing well that I'm opening pandora box and risking subsequent flames > when it comes to

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

2012/10/11 Liviu Andronic : >> (do you see the reason behind horizontal line after nomeclature?) >> However I'm not sure about moving it to submenu as you proposed. >> If you use crossref/label or citations often it could be PITA for many >> users ;) >> > If

Re: Re: About LyX menus & usability.

Am Donnerstag, 11. Oktober 2012 um 17:33:19, schrieb Pavel Sanda > Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: > > -) move Marginal note (and Footnote ?) to Insert->Note sub-menu > > > Knowing well that I'm opening pandora box and risking subsequent flames > when it comes to Insert menu we

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > >moving often used entries to submenu is not good idea. > > So I would be rather careful what other people think about it. > > hear, hear. Yes I expected something like this :) Pavel

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

Le 11/10/12 17:42, Liviu Andronic a écrit : However I'm not sure about moving it to submenu as you proposed. If you use crossref/label or citations often it could be PITA for many users ;) If you really use this often, you're likely to use the toolbar buttons instead of the menu.

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

Le 11/10/12 20:42, Pavel Sanda a écrit : Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: moving often used entries to submenu is not good idea. So I would be rather careful what other people think about it. hear, hear. Yes I expected something like this :) How difficult would it be to collect

Re: About LyX menus usability.

On 02/10/12 02:57, Pavel Sanda wrote: The problem is that there are usually many diverging opinions. so it seems. It might be better to make more brief Insert than dissolve Document into Edit/Insert. ok, for what it matters, a few less disruptive proposals: -) aggregate insertion of

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

On 02/10/12 02:57, Pavel Sanda wrote: The problem is that there are usually many diverging opinions. so it seems. It might be better to make more brief Insert than dissolve Document into Edit/Insert. ok, for what it matters, a few less disruptive proposals: -) aggregate insertion of

Re: About LyX menus usability.

Pavel Sanda wrote: Pavel Sanda wrote: Well, he launches it and discovers that his Office has similar order as his s/Office/LyX/ Office (just tried here): File, Edit, View, Insert, Format (mixture of our text style and Doc settings), Table, Tools, Windows, Help. Pavel Why LyX could

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

Pavel Sanda wrote: > Pavel Sanda wrote: >> Well, he launches it and discovers that his Office has similar order as >> his > > s/Office/LyX/ > >> Office (just tried here): File, Edit, View, Insert, Format (mixture of >> our text style and Doc settings), Table, Tools, Windows, Help. >> >> Pavel

Re: About LyX menus usability.

Le 02/10/12 00:25, Tommaso Cucinotta a écrit : I can only repeat myself: Shortly, whatever can be shown or hidden is in View, whatever can be edited is in Edit or Insert. I would say: - whatever is related to editing at cursor position is in edit - whatever is related to the whole document is

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

Le 02/10/12 00:25, Tommaso Cucinotta a écrit : I can only repeat myself: "Shortly, whatever can be shown or hidden is in View, whatever can be edited is in Edit or Insert." I would say: - whatever is related to editing at cursor position is in edit - whatever is related to the whole document

Re: About LyX menus usability.

Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: -) kill the Document menu Most of the movements look like being enforced by the idea of killing Document menu. What is the rationale for it? The distinction looks clear to me - Edit deals with the actual content of the document, while Document with document as a whole.

Re: About LyX menus usability.

On 01/10/12 10:04, Pavel Sanda wrote: Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: -) kill the Document menu Most of the movements look like being enforced by the idea of killing Document menu. What is the rationale for it? The distinction looks clear to me - Edit deals with the actual content of the document,

Re: About LyX menus usability.

Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: I can only repeat myself: Shortly, whatever can be shown or hidden is in View, whatever can be edited is in Edit or Insert. For example, in the current menus, I can insert a TOC from Insert-..., but an appendix from Document-... It is rather toggling than

Re: About LyX menus usability.

Pavel Sanda wrote: Well, he launches it and discovers that his Office has similar order as his s/Office/LyX/ Office (just tried here): File, Edit, View, Insert, Format (mixture of our text style and Doc settings), Table, Tools, Windows, Help. Pavel

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: > -) kill the Document menu Most of the movements look like being enforced by the idea of killing Document menu. What is the rationale for it? The distinction looks clear to me - Edit deals with the actual content of the document, while Document with document as a whole.

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

On 01/10/12 10:04, Pavel Sanda wrote: Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: -) kill the Document menu Most of the movements look like being enforced by the idea of killing Document menu. What is the rationale for it? The distinction looks clear to me - Edit deals with the actual content of the document,

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: > I can only repeat myself: > "Shortly, whatever can be shown or hidden is in View, whatever can be > edited is in Edit or Insert." > > For example, in the current menus, I can insert a TOC from Insert->..., but > an appendix from Document->... It is rather toggling

Re: About LyX menus & usability.

Pavel Sanda wrote: > Well, he launches it and discovers that his Office has similar order as his s/Office/LyX/ > Office (just tried here): File, Edit, View, Insert, Format (mixture of our > text > style and Doc settings), Table, Tools, Windows, Help. > > Pavel

About LyX menus usability.

Let me propose to rework the menus arrangement: -) move new window and close window from the File to the View menu -) move the Insert menu right after the Edit one, so to keep editing actions closer to each other -) in View menu, clearly separate entries that affect the way LyX appears, from

About LyX menus & usability.

Let me propose to rework the menus arrangement: -) move "new window" and "close window" from the File to the View menu -) move the Insert menu right after the Edit one, so to keep editing actions closer to each other -) in View menu, clearly separate entries that affect the way LyX appears,