Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-16 Thread Angus Leeming
Enrico Forestieri wrote: If you were to do that, you'd probably want a third package containing only C:\Program Files\LyXxtras\bin dt2dv.exe dv2dt.exe libiconv-2.dll mingwm10.dll qt-mt3.dll and have the lyx.bat in the 1.3 and 1.4 versions of the LyX package add this directory

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-16 Thread Angus Leeming
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Angus Remember to configure --disable-stdlib-debug. Makes a huge Angus difference to link times. Are you sure? That's weird... I thought the generated text was the same in all cases. Isn't that --disable-concept-checks ? Doesn't stdlib-debug create custom

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-16 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Angus == Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Angus Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Remember to configure Angus --disable-stdlib-debug. Makes a huge difference to link times. Are you sure? That's weird... I thought the generated text was the same in all cases. Angus Isn't that

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-16 Thread Enrico Forestieri
Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, nice! I had no idea that ldd worked on Windows. Oh well, this isn't the real ldd ;-) $ cat /usr/local/bin/ldd #!/bin/sh # Emulate ldd FULL_WIN_PATH=`cygpath -w -a $1` cygcheck $FULL_WIN_PATH -- Enrico

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-16 Thread Angus Leeming
Enrico Forestieri wrote: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, nice! I had no idea that ldd worked on Windows. Oh well, this isn't the real ldd ;-) $ cat /usr/local/bin/ldd #!/bin/sh # Emulate ldd FULL_WIN_PATH=`cygpath -w -a $1` cygcheck $FULL_WIN_PATH Magic! Thank you. Angus

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-16 Thread Angus Leeming
Enrico Forestieri wrote: >> If you were to do that, you'd probably want a third package containing >> only C:\Program Files\LyXxtras\bin >> dt2dv.exe >> dv2dt.exe >> libiconv-2.dll >> mingwm10.dll >> qt-mt3.dll >> >> and have the lyx.bat in the 1.3 and 1.4 versions of the LyX package

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-16 Thread Angus Leeming
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Angus> Remember to "configure --disable-stdlib-debug". Makes a huge > Angus> difference to link times. > > Are you sure? That's weird... I thought the generated text was the > same in all cases. Isn't that --disable-concept-checks ? Doesn't stdlib-debug create

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-16 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Angus> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Remember to "configure Angus> --disable-stdlib-debug". Makes a huge difference to link times. >> Are you sure? That's weird... I thought the generated text was the >> same in all cases. Angus> Isn't

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-16 Thread Enrico Forestieri
Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Oh, nice! I had no idea that ldd worked on Windows. Oh well, this isn't the real ldd ;-) $ cat /usr/local/bin/ldd #!/bin/sh # Emulate ldd FULL_WIN_PATH=`cygpath -w -a "$1"` cygcheck "$FULL_WIN_PATH" -- Enrico

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-16 Thread Angus Leeming
Enrico Forestieri wrote: Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Oh, nice! I had no idea that ldd worked on Windows. Oh well, this isn't the real ldd ;-) $ cat /usr/local/bin/ldd #!/bin/sh # Emulate ldd FULL_WIN_PATH=`cygpath -w -a "$1"` cygcheck "$FULL_WIN_PATH" Magic! Thank you. Angus

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-15 Thread Michael Gerz
Beck, Andrew Thomas - BECAT001 wrote: I've tried this but configure (under mingw) is the failing when it's trying to detect libqt-mt. The test program it's using is linking with heaps of undefined references - to graphics related stuff which I beleive to be in libgdi32, which is being linked.

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-15 Thread Angus Leeming
Michael Gerz wrote: I post it from time to time :-) If only I could convince Angus that static linking is much better than dynamic linking. Than the whole LyX/Win family would be united again :-) You can't convince me, because it's not ;-) Let's be clear: it's a kludge to get decent compile

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-15 Thread Abdel
Angus Leeming a écrit : Michael Gerz wrote: I post it from time to time :-) If only I could convince Angus that static linking is much better than dynamic linking. Than the whole LyX/Win family would be united again :-) You can't convince me, because it's not ;-) Let's be clear: it's a

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-15 Thread Michael Gerz
Beck, Andrew Thomas - BECAT001 wrote: Don't take it personally, but I actually prefer dynamic linking of stuff that is clearly an external library. Especially since it's used by a few things. What's the drama with linking it dynamically? I suspect it might improve link time/memory somewhat.

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-15 Thread Angus Leeming
Michael Gerz wrote: Beck, Andrew Thomas - BECAT001 wrote: Don't take it personally, but I actually prefer dynamic linking of stuff that is clearly an external library. Especially since it's used by a few things. What's the drama with linking it dynamically? I suspect it might improve link

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-15 Thread Michael Gerz
Angus Leeming wrote: Let's be clear: it's a kludge to get decent compile times using the MinGW compiler. Let's also be clear: compile times are better for you, but not significantly better for me. Uniting the scripts is a different issue. I'm sure that it's not beyond the wit of man to modify

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-15 Thread Michael Gerz
Angus Leeming wrote: Right. But almost the same time as the static build for both me and for Abdel. IMO, you just got lucky with your machine ;-) Hmm I will check the link times this week. If you are right, I will NEVER mention the term STATIC again :-) As for, what do you mean by

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-15 Thread Angus Leeming
Michael Gerz wrote: Angus Leeming wrote: Let's be clear: it's a kludge to get decent compile times using the MinGW compiler. Let's also be clear: compile times are better for you, but not significantly better for me. Uniting the scripts is a different issue. I'm sure that it's not beyond the

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-15 Thread Abdel
Michael Gerz a écrit : Beck, Andrew Thomas - BECAT001 wrote: Don't take it personally, but I actually prefer dynamic linking of stuff that is clearly an external library. Especially since it's used by a few things. What's the drama with linking it dynamically? I suspect it might improve link

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-15 Thread Abdel
Angus Leeming a écrit : Michael Gerz wrote: Note how the bar.h header file forward declares class Foo; rather than including foo.h (which it could have done instead). Qt3 tends to forward declare a lot less stuff than Qt4. However, that tends to increase compile times, not link times. The Qt4

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-15 Thread Angus Leeming
Michael Gerz wrote: Angus Leeming wrote: Right. But almost the same time as the static build for both me and for Abdel. IMO, you just got lucky with your machine ;-) Hmm I will check the link times this week. If you are right, I will NEVER mention the term STATIC again :-) I suspect

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-15 Thread Enrico Forestieri
Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you were to do that, you'd probably want a third package containing only C:\Program Files\LyXxtras\bin dt2dv.exe dv2dt.exe libiconv-2.dll mingwm10.dll qt-mt3.dll and have the lyx.bat in the 1.3 and 1.4 versions of the LyX package add

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-15 Thread Enrico Forestieri
Abdel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hum, I'm no expert in that domain but maybe the linker has to unique each and every methods that are defined in the duplicate headers. As mingw gcc 3.4 has no support for precompiled header the linker has to do this triage and this should take time,

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-15 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Angus == Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Angus Remember to configure --disable-stdlib-debug. Makes a huge Angus difference to link times. Are you sure? That's weird... I thought the generated text was the same in all cases. JMarc

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-15 Thread Michael Gerz
Beck, Andrew Thomas - BECAT001 wrote: I've tried this but configure (under mingw) is the failing when it's trying to detect libqt-mt. The test program it's using is linking with heaps of undefined references - to graphics related stuff which I beleive to be in libgdi32, which is being linked.

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-15 Thread Angus Leeming
Michael Gerz wrote: > I post it from time to time :-) If only I could convince Angus that > static linking is much better than dynamic linking. Than the whole > LyX/Win family would be united again :-) You can't convince me, because it's not ;-) Let's be clear: it's a kludge to get decent

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-15 Thread Abdel
Angus Leeming a écrit : Michael Gerz wrote: I post it from time to time :-) If only I could convince Angus that static linking is much better than dynamic linking. Than the whole LyX/Win family would be united again :-) You can't convince me, because it's not ;-) Let's be clear: it's a

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-15 Thread Michael Gerz
Beck, Andrew Thomas - BECAT001 wrote: Don't take it personally, but I actually prefer dynamic linking of stuff that is clearly an external library. Especially since it's used by a few things. What's the drama with linking it dynamically? I suspect it might improve link time/memory somewhat.

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-15 Thread Angus Leeming
Michael Gerz wrote: > Beck, Andrew Thomas - BECAT001 wrote: > >> Don't take it personally, but I actually prefer dynamic linking of >> stuff that is clearly an external library. Especially since it's >> used by a few things. What's the drama with linking it dynamically? I >> suspect it might

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-15 Thread Michael Gerz
Angus Leeming wrote: Let's be clear: it's a kludge to get decent compile times using the MinGW compiler. Let's also be clear: compile times are better for you, but not significantly better for me. Uniting the scripts is a different issue. I'm sure that it's not beyond the wit of man to modify

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-15 Thread Michael Gerz
Angus Leeming wrote: Right. But almost the same time as the static build for both me and for Abdel. IMO, you just got lucky with your machine ;-) Hmm I will check the link times this week. If you are right, I will NEVER mention the term STATIC again :-) As for, "what do you mean by

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-15 Thread Angus Leeming
Michael Gerz wrote: > Angus Leeming wrote: > >>Let's be clear: it's a kludge to get decent compile times using the MinGW >>compiler. Let's also be clear: compile times are better for you, but not >>significantly better for me. >> >>Uniting the scripts is a different issue. I'm sure that it's not

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-15 Thread Abdel
Michael Gerz a écrit : Beck, Andrew Thomas - BECAT001 wrote: Don't take it personally, but I actually prefer dynamic linking of stuff that is clearly an external library. Especially since it's used by a few things. What's the drama with linking it dynamically? I suspect it might improve link

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-15 Thread Abdel
Angus Leeming a écrit : Michael Gerz wrote: Note how the bar.h header file forward declares "class Foo;" rather than including foo.h (which it could have done instead). Qt3 tends to forward declare a lot less stuff than Qt4. However, that tends to increase compile times, not link times. The

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-15 Thread Angus Leeming
Michael Gerz wrote: > Angus Leeming wrote: > >>Right. But almost the same time as the static build for both me and for >>Abdel. IMO, you just got lucky with your machine ;-) > Hmm I will check the link times this week. If you are right, I will > NEVER mention the term STATIC again :-) I

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-15 Thread Enrico Forestieri
Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If you were to do that, you'd probably want a third package containing only > C:\Program Files\LyXxtras\bin > dt2dv.exe > dv2dt.exe > libiconv-2.dll > mingwm10.dll > qt-mt3.dll > > and have the lyx.bat in the 1.3 and 1.4 versions of the LyX

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-15 Thread Enrico Forestieri
Abdel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hum, I'm no expert in that domain but maybe the linker has to "unique" > each and every methods that are defined in the duplicate headers. As > mingw gcc 3.4 has no support for precompiled header the linker has to do > this triage and this should take time,

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-15 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Angus> Remember to "configure --disable-stdlib-debug". Makes a huge Angus> difference to link times. Are you sure? That's weird... I thought the generated text was the same in all cases. JMarc

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-13 Thread Beck, Andrew Thomas - BECAT001
Michael Gerz Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:14:51 -0800 Hi Angus, I also noticed that MinGW no longer allows you to build 1.4.0cvs. As a workaround, I use cygwin's automake to generate the Makefiles. It works as expected but, of course, it isn't nice to have to install and use cygwin in addition to

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-13 Thread Beck, Andrew Thomas - BECAT001
Michael Gerz Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:14:51 -0800 >Hi Angus, > > >I also noticed that MinGW no longer allows you to build 1.4.0cvs. As a >workaround, I use cygwin's automake >to generate the Makefiles. It works as expected but, of course, it isn't nice >to have to install and use >cygwin in

No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-04 Thread Angus Leeming
The latest version of automake available at http://www.mingw.org/download.shtml is msys-automake-1.8.2.tar.bz2 There's also automake-1.9.5-mingwPORT.tar.bz2 which is essentially a script that enables one to unpack, build and install the official automake sources from

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-04 Thread Michael Gerz
Angus Leeming wrote: I find that running autogen.sh produces the attached output. Any clues? As things stand, I'm afraid that the port of automake 1.9 to Windows isn't yet ready for prime time. (Hence it isn't part of MSYS yet). That means I can build neither LyX 1.4 nor tex2lyx on Windows

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-04 Thread Enrico Forestieri
Michael Gerz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I also noticed that MinGW no longer allows you to build 1.4.0cvs. As a workaround, I use cygwin's automake to generate the Makefiles. It works as expected but, of course, it isn't nice to have to install and use cygwin in addition to MinGW. Thank god,

No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-04 Thread Angus Leeming
The latest version of automake available at http://www.mingw.org/download.shtml is msys-automake-1.8.2.tar.bz2 There's also automake-1.9.5-mingwPORT.tar.bz2 which is essentially a script that enables one to unpack, build and install the official automake sources from

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-04 Thread Michael Gerz
Angus Leeming wrote: I find that running autogen.sh produces the attached output. Any clues? As things stand, I'm afraid that the port of automake 1.9 to Windows isn't yet ready for prime time. (Hence it isn't part of MSYS yet). That means I can build neither LyX 1.4 nor tex2lyx on Windows

Re: No automake-1.9 on mingw/msys yet...

2006-01-04 Thread Enrico Forestieri
Michael Gerz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I also noticed that MinGW no longer allows you to build 1.4.0cvs. As a > workaround, I use cygwin's automake to generate the Makefiles. It works > as expected but, of course, it isn't nice to have to install and use > cygwin in addition to MinGW.