Edwin Leuven wrote:
Alfredo Braunstein wrote:
Edwin Leuven wrote:
case 2 is in my opinion not so relevant because i don't see why (in the
current solution) one would have default unchecked and then choose the
explicit alignment that matches default behavior
One such cases: I'm in Standard
Edwin Leuven wrote:
Alfredo Braunstein wrote:
Edwin Leuven wrote:
case 2 is in my opinion not so relevant because i don't see why (in the
current solution) one would have default unchecked and then choose the
explicit alignment that matches default behavior
One such cases: I'm in Standard
Richard Heck wrote:
Alfredo Braunstein wrote:
What happends if the user moves the cursor when the dialog is open,
does it
get updated?
The dialog is presently modal, precisely because there's no reliable
trigger right now to do the update. Making this work involves re-working
the
Richard Heck wrote:
Alfredo Braunstein wrote:
What happends if the user moves the cursor when the dialog is open,
does it
get updated?
The dialog is presently modal, precisely because there's no reliable
trigger right now to do the update. Making this work involves re-working
the
Alfredo Braunstein wrote:
Specially with new document classes I normally don't know what the layouts
really are so I switch back and forth several times...
i agree that the only situation where this might reasonably occur is when
switching document classes.
so given that:
- people don't
Leuven, E. wrote:
- case 1 2 are rare
No, they're not.
Jürgen
- case 1 2 are rare
No, they're not.
where do you get your stats from?
Leuven, E. wrote:
No, they're not.
where do you get your stats from?
Where do you get your stats from?
I just think it's wrong to assume that justified is the de facto standard
alignment. This might be true for standard paragraphs in most book and
article classes, for others it is not.
I
Alfredo Braunstein wrote:
Let me give you another case: I often write my titles first in Standard
Layout and *then* switch the layout to Title. With your approach I would
have to manually center it. Awful.
no.
reread what i wrote:
i would be fine with having the default take precedence in
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote:
Where do you get your stats from?
from a very reliable source
I just think it's wrong to assume that justified is the de facto standard
alignment.
?
you are misunderstanding me. the inset/layout should tell us what the default
is (and i think it does at the
Leuven, E. wrote:
so given that:
- people don't switch document classes often (i for example never do)
- switching document layouts often involve information loss because they
do not define similar environments - case 1 2 are rare
Let me give you another case: I often write my titles
Leuven, E. wrote:
Alfredo Braunstein wrote:
Let me give you another case: I often write my titles first in Standard
Layout and *then* switch the layout to Title. With your approach I would
have to manually center it. Awful.
no.
reread what i wrote:
That implies I've read it in the
Leuven, E. wrote:
you are misunderstanding me. the inset/layout should tell us what the
default is (and i think it does at the moment). so sometimes this will be
justified, in other cases center, etc.
I obviously did. Sorry. I'm still not entirely convinced.
Jürgen
I obviously did. Sorry. I'm still not entirely convinced.
i was thinking like the attached...
Index: src/frontends/qt4/QParagraph.cpp
===
--- src/frontends/qt4/QParagraph.cpp (revision 18850)
+++ src/frontends/qt4/QParagraph.cpp
Alfredo Braunstein wrote:
What happends if the user moves the cursor when the dialog is open, does it
get updated?
The dialog is presently modal, precisely because there's no reliable
trigger right now to do the update. Making this work involves re-working
the controller fairly extensively,
Alfredo Braunstein wrote:
Leuven, E. wrote:
Alfredo Braunstein wrote:
since default takes precedence things go fine in your example.
I see.
WRT the current situation, your approach tends to make things default (on
layout switching) against user will, which is sort of lyx philosophy:
Alfredo Braunstein wrote:
> Specially with new document classes I normally don't know what the layouts
> really are so I switch back and forth several times...
i agree that the only situation where this might reasonably occur is when
switching document classes.
so given that:
- people don't
Leuven, E. wrote:
> - case 1 & 2 are rare
No, they're not.
Jürgen
>> - case 1 & 2 are rare
>
> No, they're not.
where do you get your stats from?
Leuven, E. wrote:
>> No, they're not.
>
> where do you get your stats from?
Where do you get your stats from?
I just think it's wrong to assume that justified is the de facto "standard"
alignment. This might be true for standard paragraphs in most book and
article classes, for others it is
Alfredo Braunstein wrote:
> Let me give you another case: I often write my titles first in Standard
> Layout and *then* switch the layout to Title. With your approach I would
> have to manually center it. Awful.
no.
reread what i wrote:
"i would be fine with having the default take precedence
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote:
> Where do you get your stats from?
from a very reliable source
> I just think it's wrong to assume that justified is the de facto "standard"
> alignment.
?
you are misunderstanding me. the inset/layout should tell us what the default
is (and i think it does at
Leuven, E. wrote:
> so given that:
>
> - people don't switch document classes often (i for example never do)
> - switching document layouts often involve information loss because they
> do not define similar environments - case 1 & 2 are rare
Let me give you another case: I often write my
Leuven, E. wrote:
> Alfredo Braunstein wrote:
>> Let me give you another case: I often write my titles first in Standard
>> Layout and *then* switch the layout to Title. With your approach I would
>> have to manually center it. Awful.
>
> no.
>
> reread what i wrote:
That implies I've read it
Leuven, E. wrote:
> you are misunderstanding me. the inset/layout should tell us what the
> default is (and i think it does at the moment). so sometimes this will be
> justified, in other cases center, etc.
I obviously did. Sorry. I'm still not entirely convinced.
Jürgen
> I obviously did. Sorry. I'm still not entirely convinced.
i was thinking like the attached...
Index: src/frontends/qt4/QParagraph.cpp
===
--- src/frontends/qt4/QParagraph.cpp (revision 18850)
+++ src/frontends/qt4/QParagraph.cpp
Alfredo Braunstein wrote:
What happends if the user moves the cursor when the dialog is open, does it
get updated?
The dialog is presently modal, precisely because there's no reliable
trigger right now to do the update. Making this work involves re-working
the controller fairly extensively,
Alfredo Braunstein wrote:
Leuven, E. wrote:
Alfredo Braunstein wrote:
since default takes precedence things go fine in your example.
I see.
WRT the current situation, your approach tends to make things default (on
layout switching) against user will, which is sort of lyx philosophy:
Bennett Helm wrote:
X Default
o Justified
o Left
o Center
o Right
maybe giving the choice between default or environment default and
custom or force makes it more explicit?
o Default
o Custom
o Justified
o Left
o Center
o Right
it would of course be nicer if we could tell
Bennett Helm wrote:
It shouldn't be a radio button just like the others, since it's not an
option in the way that the others are.
Sorry, but I consider that a bad argument. Sure, default is a bit
different. That does NOT imply it can't be a radio button like the rest.
To me, default means
On 21 jun 2007, at 13.12, Helge Hafting wrote:
Bennett Helm wrote:
It shouldn't be a radio button just like the others, since it's
not an option in the way that the others are.
Sorry, but I consider that a bad argument. Sure, default is a bit
different. That does NOT imply it can't be a
Anders Ekberg wrote:
On 21 jun 2007, at 13.12, Helge Hafting wrote:
Bennett Helm wrote:
It shouldn't be a radio button just like the others, since it's not
an option in the way that the others are.
Sorry, but I consider that a bad argument. Sure, default is a bit
different. That does NOT
and this one doesn't make sense:
if we could tell beforehand what the default was because then we could
show something like:
o Justified (default)
o Left
o Center
o Right
?
On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Edwin Leuven wrote:
and this one doesn't make sense:
if we could tell beforehand what the default was because then we
could show something like:
o Justified (default)
o Left
o Center
o Right
?
Of the options I've seen, I agree that this is the best.
Bennett Helm wrote:
On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Edwin Leuven wrote:
and this one doesn't make sense:
if we could tell beforehand what the default was because then we
could show something like:
o Justified (default)
o Left
o Center
o Right
?
Of the options I've seen, I agree that this is
Bennett Helm wrote:
On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Edwin Leuven wrote:
and this one doesn't make sense:
if we could tell beforehand what the default was because then we
could show something like:
o Justified (default)
o Left
o Center
o Right
?
Of the options I've seen, I agree
On Jun 21, 2007, at 17:28 , Richard Heck wrote:
Anders Ekberg wrote:
On 21 jun 2007, at 13.12, Helge Hafting wrote:
Bennett Helm wrote:
It shouldn't be a radio button just like the others, since it's
not an option in the way that the others are.
Sorry, but I consider that a bad argument.
Alfredo Braunstein wrote:
This is bad. What if the user changes layout (or worse document class) and
the new layout has different default alignment? You are losing information
here.
ah, i see the problem now.
there seem to be 2 problem cases:
1 x is set and we change the default to x:
2 x
Edwin Leuven wrote:
case 2 is in my opinion not so relevant because i don't see why (in the
current solution) one would have default unchecked and then choose the
explicit alignment that matches default behavior
One such cases: I'm in Standard Layout and I want my par centered so I set
it
Alfredo Braunstein wrote:
Edwin Leuven wrote:
case 2 is in my opinion not so relevant because i don't see why (in the
current solution) one would have default unchecked and then choose the
explicit alignment that matches default behavior
One such cases: I'm in Standard Layout and I want my
Edwin Leuven wrote:
Alfredo Braunstein wrote:
Edwin Leuven wrote:
case 2 is in my opinion not so relevant because i don't see why (in the
current solution) one would have default unchecked and then choose the
explicit alignment that matches default behavior
One such cases: I'm in
Bennett Helm wrote:
X Default
o Justified
o Left
o Center
o Right
maybe giving the choice between "default" or "environment default" and
"custom" or "force" makes it more explicit?
o Default
o Custom
o Justified
o Left
o Center
o Right
it would of course be nicer if we
Bennett Helm wrote:
It shouldn't be a radio button just like the others, since it's not an
option in the way that the others are.
Sorry, but I consider that a bad argument. Sure, "default" is a bit
different. That does NOT imply it can't be a radio button like the rest.
To me, "default"
On 21 jun 2007, at 13.12, Helge Hafting wrote:
Bennett Helm wrote:
It shouldn't be a radio button just like the others, since it's
not an option in the way that the others are.
Sorry, but I consider that a bad argument. Sure, "default" is a bit
different. That does NOT imply it can't be a
Anders Ekberg wrote:
On 21 jun 2007, at 13.12, Helge Hafting wrote:
Bennett Helm wrote:
It shouldn't be a radio button just like the others, since it's not
an option in the way that the others are.
Sorry, but I consider that a bad argument. Sure, "default" is a bit
different. That does NOT
and this one doesn't make sense:
if we could tell beforehand what the default was because then we could
show something like:
o Justified (default)
o Left
o Center
o Right
?
On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Edwin Leuven wrote:
and this one doesn't make sense:
if we could tell beforehand what the default was because then we
could show something like:
o Justified (default)
o Left
o Center
o Right
?
Of the options I've seen, I agree that this is the best.
Bennett Helm wrote:
On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Edwin Leuven wrote:
and this one doesn't make sense:
if we could tell beforehand what the default was because then we
could show something like:
o Justified (default)
o Left
o Center
o Right
?
Of the options I've seen, I agree that this is
Bennett Helm wrote:
> On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Edwin Leuven wrote:
>
>> and this one doesn't make sense:
>>
>> if we could tell beforehand what the default was because then we
>> could show something like:
>>
>> o Justified (default)
>> o Left
>> o Center
>> o Right
>>
>>
>> ?
>>
>
> Of
On Jun 21, 2007, at 17:28 , Richard Heck wrote:
Anders Ekberg wrote:
On 21 jun 2007, at 13.12, Helge Hafting wrote:
Bennett Helm wrote:
It shouldn't be a radio button just like the others, since it's
not an option in the way that the others are.
Sorry, but I consider that a bad argument.
Alfredo Braunstein wrote:
This is bad. What if the user changes layout (or worse document class) and
the new layout has different default alignment? You are losing information
here.
ah, i see the problem now.
there seem to be 2 problem cases:
1 x is set and we change the default to x:
2 x
Edwin Leuven wrote:
> case 2 is in my opinion not so relevant because i don't see why (in the
> current solution) one would have default unchecked and then choose the
> explicit alignment that matches default behavior
One such cases: I'm in Standard Layout and I want my par centered so I set
it
Alfredo Braunstein wrote:
Edwin Leuven wrote:
case 2 is in my opinion not so relevant because i don't see why (in the
current solution) one would have default unchecked and then choose the
explicit alignment that matches default behavior
One such cases: I'm in Standard Layout and I want my
Edwin Leuven wrote:
> Alfredo Braunstein wrote:
>> Edwin Leuven wrote:
>>
>>> case 2 is in my opinion not so relevant because i don't see why (in the
>>> current solution) one would have default unchecked and then choose the
>>> explicit alignment that matches default behavior
>>
>> One such
1.50rc1. Under paragraph settings dialog, all alignment options always seem
to be greyed out.
On Jun 20, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
1.50rc1. Under paragraph settings dialog, all alignment options
always seem
to be greyed out.
Did you uncheck the Default box?
Bennett
Bennett Helm wrote:
On Jun 20, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
1.50rc1. Under paragraph settings dialog, all alignment options
always seem
to be greyed out.
Did you uncheck the Default box?
Ah! Well, at least one reasonably intelligent somewhat experienced lyx user
was confused
On Jun 20, 2007, at 2:56 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
Bennett Helm wrote:
On Jun 20, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
1.50rc1. Under paragraph settings dialog, all alignment options
always seem
to be greyed out.
Did you uncheck the Default box?
Ah! Well, at least one reasonably
Bennett Helm wrote:
On Jun 20, 2007, at 2:56 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
Bennett Helm wrote:
On Jun 20, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
1.50rc1. Under paragraph settings dialog, all alignment options
always seem to be greyed out.
Did you uncheck the Default box?
Ah! Well, at least one
Richard Heck
Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:30:21 -0700
Bennett Helm wrote:
On Jun 20, 2007, at 2:56 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
Bennett Helm wrote:
On Jun 20, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
1.50rc1. Under paragraph settings dialog, all alignment options
always seem to be greyed out.
Did you
On Jun 20, 2007, at 6:22 PM, Anders Ekberg wrote:
Richard Heck
Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:30:21 -0700
Bennett Helm wrote:
On Jun 20, 2007, at 2:56 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
Bennett Helm wrote:
On Jun 20, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
1.50rc1. Under paragraph settings dialog, all alignment
1.50rc1. Under paragraph settings dialog, all alignment options always seem
to be greyed out.
On Jun 20, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
1.50rc1. Under paragraph settings dialog, all alignment options
always seem
to be greyed out.
Did you uncheck the "Default" box?
Bennett
Bennett Helm wrote:
> On Jun 20, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
>
>> 1.50rc1. Under paragraph settings dialog, all alignment options
>> always seem
>> to be greyed out.
>
> Did you uncheck the "Default" box?
>
Ah! Well, at least one reasonably intelligent somewhat experienced lyx user
On Jun 20, 2007, at 2:56 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
Bennett Helm wrote:
On Jun 20, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
1.50rc1. Under paragraph settings dialog, all alignment options
always seem
to be greyed out.
Did you uncheck the "Default" box?
Ah! Well, at least one reasonably
Bennett Helm wrote:
On Jun 20, 2007, at 2:56 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
Bennett Helm wrote:
On Jun 20, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
1.50rc1. Under paragraph settings dialog, all alignment options
always seem to be greyed out.
Did you uncheck the "Default" box?
Ah! Well, at least one
Richard Heck
Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:30:21 -0700
Bennett Helm wrote:
On Jun 20, 2007, at 2:56 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
Bennett Helm wrote:
On Jun 20, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
1.50rc1. Under paragraph settings dialog, all alignment options
always seem to be greyed out.
Did you
On Jun 20, 2007, at 6:22 PM, Anders Ekberg wrote:
Richard Heck
Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:30:21 -0700
Bennett Helm wrote:
On Jun 20, 2007, at 2:56 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
Bennett Helm wrote:
On Jun 20, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
1.50rc1. Under paragraph settings dialog, all alignment
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