Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-25 Thread Dekel Tsur
On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 12:10:40PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I have begun to update NEWS for version 1.2.0. Appended is my first attempt. I do know that things are missing, but I am sure you will be able to point them out. Corrections to my faulty english and complete rewrites are

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-25 Thread Dekel Tsur
On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 02:00:43PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: The math editor has been mostly rewritten (and thus may have many new bugs :). Most of the changes should not be visible for the user, except: - enable switching between equation/eqnarray and align environment Replace the

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-25 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Am Mittwoch, 25. Juli 2001 18:08 schrieb Herbert Voss: Dekel Maybe mention that it is now possible to put footnotes inside Dekel tables (we still have the problem of what to do in that case). We should probably think more about this feature before announcing it. yes, because

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-25 Thread Herbert Voss
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: yes, because footnotes in table-floats make no sense! and where shall they appear? under the table, inside a float? on the bottom of the page, like others? ... I think Dekel is talking about footnotes in tables _outside_ floats here. We have discussed this

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-25 Thread Mike Ressler
On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Herbert Voss wrote: yes, because footnotes in table-floats make no sense! and where shall they appear? under the table, inside a float? on the bottom of the page, like others? ... I disagree somewhat strongly - footnotes to table-floats (or endnotes as they are more

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-25 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Am Mittwoch, 25. Juli 2001 18:44 schrieb Mike Ressler: I disagree somewhat strongly - footnotes to table-floats (or endnotes as they are more properly called) are used all the time (in astronomical journals, at least), and they appear under the table, inside the float :-) The AASTeX package

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-25 Thread Mike Ressler
On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Am Mittwoch, 25. Juli 2001 18:44 schrieb Mike Ressler: I disagree somewhat strongly - footnotes to table-floats (or endnotes as they are more properly called) are used all the time (in ... Isn't the best way to get this

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-25 Thread Dekel Tsur
On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 06:11:05PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Dekel == Dekel Tsur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You mean multiple bibliographies? Dekel Yes. Perhaps it should be noted that when using bibtopic, the Dekel 'dot' option should be used. This belongs to the docs.

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-25 Thread Dekel Tsur
On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 12:10:40PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > I have begun to update NEWS for version 1.2.0. Appended is my first > attempt. I do know that things are missing, but I am sure you will be > able to point them out. Corrections to my faulty english and complete > rewrites

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-25 Thread Dekel Tsur
On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 02:00:43PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > The math editor has been mostly rewritten (and thus may have many new > bugs :). Most of the changes should not be visible for the user, > except: > - enable switching between equation/eqnarray and align environment Replace

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-25 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Am Mittwoch, 25. Juli 2001 18:08 schrieb Herbert Voss: > > Dekel> Maybe mention that it is now possible to put footnotes > > inside Dekel> tables (we still have the problem of what to do in > > that case). > > > > We should probably think more about this feature before announcing > > it. > > yes,

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-25 Thread Herbert Voss
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > > > yes, because footnotes in table-floats make no sense! > > and where shall they appear? under the table, inside a float? > > on the bottom of the page, like others? ... > > I think Dekel is talking about footnotes in tables _outside_ floats > here. We have

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-25 Thread Mike Ressler
On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Herbert Voss wrote: > yes, because footnotes in table-floats make no sense! > and where shall they appear? under the table, inside a float? > on the bottom of the page, like others? ... I disagree somewhat strongly - footnotes to table-floats (or endnotes as they are more

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-25 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Am Mittwoch, 25. Juli 2001 18:44 schrieb Mike Ressler: > I disagree somewhat strongly - footnotes to table-floats (or endnotes > as they are more properly called) are used all the time (in > astronomical journals, at least), and they appear under the table, > inside the float :-) The AASTeX

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-25 Thread Mike Ressler
On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 25. Juli 2001 18:44 schrieb Mike Ressler: > > I disagree somewhat strongly - footnotes to table-floats (or endnotes > > as they are more properly called) are used all the time (in > ... > > Isn't the best way to get this

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-25 Thread Dekel Tsur
On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 06:11:05PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > "Dekel" == Dekel Tsur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> You mean multiple bibliographies? > > Dekel> Yes. Perhaps it should be noted that when using bibtopic, the > Dekel> 'dot' option should be used. > > This

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-23 Thread John Levon
On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 12:10:40PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: - TeX mode has been superseded by the 666 (aka ERT) inset, which is foldable or is it collapsable ? I would prefer foldable as the user term for this indeed, I just want to mamake sure we're consistent in the

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-23 Thread John Levon
On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:20:45AM -0400, Baruch Even wrote: Question is actually, do we mind not being able to resize/dither for 1.2.0 For me it doesn't matter, but this isn't WYSIWYM and is a step backwards from the current inset. think screen shots. I don't want them taking up more than a

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-23 Thread Juergen Vigna
On 23-Jul-2001 John Levon wrote: the figure float doesn't resize *itself* anyway now, so it's basically unusable (try it on platypus.eps) Should it? I made this types of insets only be wider than the WorkArea if the include inset is wider otherwise they are always the width of the workarea.

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-23 Thread Baruch Even
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, John Levon wrote: On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:20:45AM -0400, Baruch Even wrote: Question is actually, do we mind not being able to resize/dither for 1.2.0 For me it doesn't matter, but this isn't WYSIWYM and is a step backwards from the current inset. think screen

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-23 Thread John Levon
On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:47:07AM -0400, Baruch Even wrote: Could you write a few lines on the advantages of insetgraphics wrt figinset? Basically, cleaner code. It has no reall addition in it compared to figinset, but it stops using ghostscript for preview which was a problem when you

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-23 Thread Baruch Even
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, John Levon wrote: On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:47:07AM -0400, Baruch Even wrote: Could you write a few lines on the advantages of insetgraphics wrt figinset? Basically, cleaner code. It has no reall addition in it compared to figinset, but it stops using

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-23 Thread Dekel Tsur
On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:47:07AM -0400, Baruch Even wrote: On 23 Jul 2001, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Baruch == Baruch Even [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Baruch On 23 Jul 2001, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: - new graphics inset superseding the older figure inset [will that be OK in

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-23 Thread Baruch Even
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Dekel Tsur wrote: There are several problem with the preview code in graphics inset: 1) It doesn't work. I get Need converter from eps to xpm message. Even if I define such a converter, it doesn't work. I think there should be such converters defined automatically, I

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-23 Thread Dekel Tsur
On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:55:23AM -0400, Baruch Even wrote: 2) I really don't like the idea to use convert to create an xpm file. Why not use pipes ? (namely run 'convert graphics-file xpm:-' ) Basically because I use XpmReadFileToPixmap to get the XPixmap, I don't know how to make it

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-23 Thread Baruch Even
* Dekel Tsur [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010723 17:28]: There are several problem with the preview code in graphics inset: 1) It doesn't work. I get Need converter from eps to xpm message. Even if I define such a converter, it doesn't work. Fixed. I'll commit this soon. It was a mistake of mine when

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-23 Thread Baruch Even
* Dekel Tsur [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010723 19:06]: On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:55:23AM -0400, Baruch Even wrote: The reason for not doing it right now is to support those users who cannot install a good supporting library. The simplest route could be to require everyone to install gdk-pixbuf

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-23 Thread Dekel Tsur
On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 07:19:05PM +0300, Baruch Even wrote: * Dekel Tsur [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010723 19:06]: On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:55:23AM -0400, Baruch Even wrote: The reason for not doing it right now is to support those users who cannot install a good supporting library. The

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-23 Thread Garst R. Reese
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Baruch == Baruch Even [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Baruch I cannot depend on ImageMagick, I need the configurability of Baruch Converter. netpbm comes to mind, but I do not know whether it is still maintained. JMarc This just in, so I suppose so. NETPBM

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-23 Thread Baruch Even
* Dekel Tsur [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010723 20:43]: But the current code does require to have imagemagick (or something equivalent) to be installed in order to have image previewing. You can always use an image library (libmagick,imlib, etc.) if it is present, and otherwise use an external

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-23 Thread John Levon
On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 12:10:40PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > - TeX mode has been superseded by the 666 (aka ERT) inset, which is > foldable or is it collapsable ? I would prefer "foldable" as the user term for this indeed, I just want to mamake sure we're consistent in

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-23 Thread John Levon
On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:20:45AM -0400, Baruch Even wrote: > Question is actually, do we mind not being able to resize/dither for 1.2.0 > For me it doesn't matter, but this isn't WYSIWYM and is a step backwards > from the current inset. think screen shots. I don't want them taking up more

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-23 Thread Juergen Vigna
On 23-Jul-2001 John Levon wrote: > the figure float doesn't resize *itself* anyway now, so it's basically unusable > (try it on platypus.eps) Should it? I made this types of insets only be wider than the WorkArea if the include inset is wider otherwise they are always the width of the

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-23 Thread Baruch Even
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, John Levon wrote: > On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:20:45AM -0400, Baruch Even wrote: > > > Question is actually, do we mind not being able to resize/dither for 1.2.0 > > For me it doesn't matter, but this isn't WYSIWYM and is a step backwards > > from the current inset. > >

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-23 Thread John Levon
On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:47:07AM -0400, Baruch Even wrote: > > Could you write a few lines on the advantages of insetgraphics wrt > > figinset? > > Basically, cleaner code. It has no reall addition in it compared to > figinset, but it stops using ghostscript for preview which was a problem >

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-23 Thread Baruch Even
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, John Levon wrote: > On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:47:07AM -0400, Baruch Even wrote: > > > > Could you write a few lines on the advantages of insetgraphics wrt > > > figinset? > > > > Basically, cleaner code. It has no reall addition in it compared to > > figinset, but it

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-23 Thread Dekel Tsur
On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:47:07AM -0400, Baruch Even wrote: > On 23 Jul 2001, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > > > "Baruch" == Baruch Even <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Baruch> On 23 Jul 2001, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > >> - new graphics inset superseding the older figure inset

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-23 Thread Baruch Even
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Dekel Tsur wrote: > There are several problem with the preview code in graphics inset: > > 1) It doesn't work. I get "Need converter from eps to xpm" message. > Even if I define such a converter, it doesn't work. I think there should be such converters defined

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-23 Thread Dekel Tsur
On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:55:23AM -0400, Baruch Even wrote: > > 2) I really don't like the idea to use convert to create an xpm file. > > Why not use pipes ? (namely run 'convert xpm:-' ) > > Basically because I use XpmReadFileToPixmap to get the XPixmap, I don't > know how to make it load the

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-23 Thread Baruch Even
* Dekel Tsur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010723 17:28]: > There are several problem with the preview code in graphics inset: > > 1) It doesn't work. I get "Need converter from eps to xpm" message. > Even if I define such a converter, it doesn't work. Fixed. I'll commit this soon. It was a mistake of

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-23 Thread Baruch Even
* Dekel Tsur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010723 19:06]: > On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:55:23AM -0400, Baruch Even wrote: > > The reason for not doing it right now is to support those users who cannot > > install a good supporting library. The simplest route could be to require > > everyone to install

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-23 Thread Dekel Tsur
On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 07:19:05PM +0300, Baruch Even wrote: > * Dekel Tsur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010723 19:06]: > > On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:55:23AM -0400, Baruch Even wrote: > > > The reason for not doing it right now is to support those users who cannot > > > install a good supporting

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-23 Thread Garst R. Reese
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > > "Baruch" == Baruch Even <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Baruch> I cannot depend on ImageMagick, I need the configurability of > Baruch> Converter. > > netpbm comes to mind, but I do not know whether it is still > maintained. > > JMarc This just in, so I

Re: Updating NEWS for 1.2.0

2001-07-23 Thread Baruch Even
* Dekel Tsur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010723 20:43]: > But the current code does require to have imagemagick (or something > equivalent) to be installed in order to have image previewing. > > You can always use an image library (libmagick,imlib, etc.) if it is > present, and otherwise use an