Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-28 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's a good idea actually (IMHO). Now shout me you LateX experts :-) Each of these things should be done by the proper latex style (there are several) and is specific for e.g. sections. It shall therefore be done in document settings. Making this

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-28 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What should a UI look like? Minimize confusion by making it consistent with the rest of the app, and preferably quite a few other apps as well. Make exceptions only when there is a reason, but don't be afraid in those cases. +1 JMarc

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-28 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: Abdelrazak Younes ha scritto: Wether docked or dialogged, may I suggest having another checkbox out there saying something like Automatically update style, personally to be preferenced as checked by default ? If I understood you correctly this is already done by the new

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-28 Thread Tommaso Cucinotta
Abdelrazak Younes ha scritto: Wether docked or dialogged, may I suggest having another checkbox out there saying something like Automatically update style, personally to be preferenced as checked by default ? If I understood you correctly this is already done by the new Immediate Apply check

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-28 Thread Helge Hafting
Andre Poenitz wrote: On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 10:47:15AM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Face it, an undocked window is not a dialog, but a second class window, palette-like with a smallish greyish title bar. I don't like them (which is my prerogative). It looks the way we want it

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-28 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > That's a good idea actually (IMHO). Now shout me you LateX experts :-) Each of these things should be done by the proper latex style (there are several) and is specific for e.g. sections. It shall therefore be done in document settings. Making this

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-28 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > "What should a UI look like?" Minimize confusion by > making it consistent with the rest of the app, and preferably > quite a few other apps as well. Make exceptions only when > there is a reason, but don't be afraid in those cases. +1 JMarc

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-28 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: Abdelrazak Younes ha scritto: Wether docked or dialogged, may I suggest having another checkbox out there saying something like "Automatically update style", personally to be preferenced as checked by default ? If I understood you correctly this is already done by the

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-28 Thread Tommaso Cucinotta
Abdelrazak Younes ha scritto: Wether docked or dialogged, may I suggest having another checkbox out there saying something like "Automatically update style", personally to be preferenced as checked by default ? If I understood you correctly this is already done by the new "Immediate Apply"

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-28 Thread Helge Hafting
Andre Poenitz wrote: On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 10:47:15AM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Face it, an undocked window is not a dialog, but a second class window, palette-like with a smallish greyish title bar. I don't like them (which is my prerogative). It looks the way we want it

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you let the outline open to the left and ultimately the citation dialog to the right it will be OK :-) On a 24 screen? OK, I understand that you can't use LyX fully maximized in this case (I won't either) but I

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can think of other settings for this dialog, not necessarily limited to ParagraphParameters. Think counter, think What do you want to do to counters? Restart the numbering, modify the numbering style (1-2-3 to

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: We'll wait for other's input but I would advocate to revert the dock part personally. Noted but you didn't answer my question about what would make it feel like a well behaved dialog if undocked? Personally I miss only two things, both

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On a 24 screen? OK, I understand that you can't use LyX fully maximized in this case (I won't either) but I can't use it without maximization on a 12 or 14 screen. What we must look for is a solution that fits fullscreen and non fullscreen users.

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On a 24 screen? OK, I understand that you can't use LyX fully maximized in this case (I won't either) but I can't use it without maximization on a 12 or 14 screen. What we must look for is a solution that fits

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Restart the numbering, modify the numbering style (1-2-3 to a-b-c), etc. Same thing with bullets. I know there's a separate dialog for that but this thing is global to the Document. It is not a service to users to advertise prominently a way to

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Restart the numbering, modify the numbering style (1-2-3 to a-b-c), etc. Same thing with bullets. I know there's a separate dialog for that but this thing is global to the Document. It is not a service to users to

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Because toolbar buttons are simply not as expressive as Dialogs (and key bindings even less expressive of course). For example how would you put the line spacing controls in the toolbar? You would need 4 buttons plus an edit box. Maybe some users

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Because toolbar buttons are simply not as expressive as Dialogs (and key bindings even less expressive of course). For example how would you put the line spacing controls in the toolbar? You would need 4 buttons plus an

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Edwin Leuven
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Well I agree in general but key binding is for replacing toolbar action. That's the reason why I forgotabout the depth button actually Edwin ;-) i think it illustrates nicely how you intend to use the dockwidget: as a toolbar I don't use the toolbars personally.

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Edwin Leuven wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Well I agree in general but key binding is for replacing toolbar action. That's the reason why I forgotabout the depth button actually Edwin ;-) i think it illustrates nicely how you intend to use the dockwidget: as a toolbar As a more powerful

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I understand that point but the solution is not to forbid this docking behavior but to make it hard to dock by default. Forbid. You make it sound as if I am trying to censor you creativity :) The quesiton is not why we should forbid it, it is why we

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you use routinely different line spacings on different paragraphs? Me no but I do know some people that do. Did you read the links I posted earlier? The subject is exactly the features that are useful because we know people using them. But then

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you use routinely different line spacings on different paragraphs? Me no but I do know some people that do. Did you read the links I posted earlier? The subject is exactly the features that are useful because we know

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I understand that point but the solution is not to forbid this docking behavior but to make it hard to dock by default. Forbid. You make it sound as if I am trying to censor you creativity :) The quesiton is not why we

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, for me dialogs bigger than the label input dialog are cumbersome because I always have to move them to see what's underneath. The paragraph dialog fall in this case. OK, let's try to see what others are doing, then.

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Have a look. I cannot say that I like it :) You see also what I mean by tiny title bar (which is admittedly aesthetics). This depends on the QStyle in use apparently. Appearance: A QDockWidget consists of a title bar and the content area.

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Charles de Miramon
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Qt designer is a good example. Open Office is another one. Typically OO would dock a paragraph settings dialog. Has someone tried scrivener (I don't have a Mac) : http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener.html The interface looks innovative with interesting

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Charles de Miramon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has someone tried scrivener (I don't have a Mac) : http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener.html The interface looks innovative with interesting Abdel'esque ideas. Indeed. Someone mentionned earlier this notion of real fullscreen (where all

RE: Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Leuven, E.
I'd appreciate if you could revert the docking part indeed. Look at what I've just committed. some additional gripes in addition to jean-marc's titlebar and layout complaints: - the floating paragraph settings widget shouldn't be resizable - the buttons should be at the bottom - there is no

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Leuven, E. wrote: I'd appreciate if you could revert the docking part indeed. Look at what I've just committed. some additional gripes in addition to jean-marc's titlebar and layout complaints: - the floating paragraph settings widget shouldn't be resizable I tried but I am not good enough

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Leuven, E. wrote: I'd appreciate if you could revert the docking part indeed. Look at what I've just committed. some additional gripes in addition to jean-marc's titlebar and layout complaints: - the floating paragraph settings widget shouldn't be resizable I

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Tommaso Cucinotta
Abdelrazak Younes ha scritto: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you use routinely different line spacings on different paragraphs? Me no but I do know some people that do. Wether docked or dialogged, may I suggest having another checkbox out there

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: Abdelrazak Younes ha scritto: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you use routinely different line spacings on different paragraphs? Me no but I do know some people that do. Wether docked or dialogged, may I suggest having

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Richard Heck
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I will forbid the docking in the future. Is that a compromise? It depends what you mean by forbid. I think docking has its uses. And, after reading through most of this thread: If making things dockABLE is possible without too much other chaos, then I don't

RE: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Leuven, E.
For some people, especially people on smaller screens, or people who (like my wife) like to work maximized, it will be very, very useful. working maximized doesn't imply that everything should be docked...

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Richard Heck wrote: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I will forbid the docking in the future. Is that a compromise? It depends what you mean by forbid. I think docking has its uses. And, after reading through most of this thread: If making things dockABLE is possible without too much other

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Richard Heck
Leuven, E. wrote: For some people, especially people on smaller screens, or people who (like my wife) like to work maximized, it will be very, very useful. working maximized doesn't imply that everything should be docked... No, certainly not. But it does mean it can be useful to have

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 10:47:15AM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Face it, an undocked window is not a dialog, but a second class window, palette-like with a smallish greyish title bar. I don't like them (which is my prerogative). It looks the way we want it to look like... The right

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: If you let the outline open to the left and ultimately the citation dialog to the right it will be OK :-) On a 24" screen? OK, I understand that you can't use LyX fully maximized in this case (I won't either) but I

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I can think of other settings for this dialog, not necessarily limited to ParagraphParameters. Think counter, think What do you want to do to counters? Restart the numbering, modify the numbering style (1-2-3 to

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: We'll wait for other's input but I would advocate to revert the dock part personally. Noted but you didn't answer my question about what would make it feel like a well behaved dialog if undocked? Personally I miss only two things, both

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On a 24" screen? > > OK, I understand that you can't use LyX fully maximized in this case > (I won't either) but I can't use it without maximization on a 12" or > 14" screen. What we must look for is a solution that fits fullscreen and non

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: On a 24" screen? OK, I understand that you can't use LyX fully maximized in this case (I won't either) but I can't use it without maximization on a 12" or 14" screen. What we must look for is a solution that fits

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Restart the numbering, modify the numbering style (1-2-3 to a-b-c), > etc. Same thing with bullets. I know there's a separate dialog for > that but this thing is global to the Document. It is not a service to users to advertise prominently a way to

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Restart the numbering, modify the numbering style (1-2-3 to a-b-c), etc. Same thing with bullets. I know there's a separate dialog for that but this thing is global to the Document. It is not a service to users to

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Because toolbar buttons are simply not as expressive as Dialogs (and > key bindings even less expressive of course). For example how would > you put the line spacing controls in the toolbar? You would need 4 > buttons plus an edit box. Maybe some

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Because toolbar buttons are simply not as expressive as Dialogs (and key bindings even less expressive of course). For example how would you put the line spacing controls in the toolbar? You would need 4 buttons plus an

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Edwin Leuven
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Well I agree in general but key binding is for replacing toolbar action. That's the reason why I forgotabout the depth button actually Edwin ;-) i think it illustrates nicely how you intend to use the dockwidget: as a toolbar I don't use the toolbars personally.

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Edwin Leuven wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Well I agree in general but key binding is for replacing toolbar action. That's the reason why I forgotabout the depth button actually Edwin ;-) i think it illustrates nicely how you intend to use the dockwidget: as a toolbar As a more powerful

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I understand that point but the solution is not to forbid this docking > behavior but to make it hard to dock by default. "Forbid". You make it sound as if I am trying to censor you creativity :) The quesiton is not why we should forbid it, it is

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Do you use routinely different line spacings on different paragraphs? > > Me no but I do know some people that do. Did you read the links I posted earlier? The subject is exactly the features that are useful because we know people using them. >

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Do you use routinely different line spacings on different paragraphs? Me no but I do know some people that do. Did you read the links I posted earlier? The subject is exactly the features that are useful because we

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I understand that point but the solution is not to forbid this docking behavior but to make it hard to dock by default. "Forbid". You make it sound as if I am trying to censor you creativity :) The quesiton is not why

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Yes, for me dialogs bigger than the label input dialog are cumbersome because I always have to move them to see what's underneath. The paragraph dialog fall in this case. OK, let's try to see what others are doing,

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Have a look. I cannot say that I like it :) You see also what I mean by tiny title bar (which is admittedly aesthetics). This depends on the QStyle in use apparently. Appearance: A QDockWidget consists of a title bar and the content area.

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Charles de Miramon
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > > Qt designer is a good example. Open Office is another one. Typically OO > would dock a paragraph settings dialog. > > Has someone tried scrivener (I don't have a Mac) : http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener.html The interface looks innovative with

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Charles de Miramon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Has someone tried scrivener (I don't have a Mac) : > > http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener.html > > The interface looks innovative with interesting Abdel'esque ideas. Indeed. Someone mentionned earlier this notion of real fullscreen (where

RE: Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Leuven, E.
>> I'd appreciate if you could revert the docking part indeed. > > Look at what I've just committed. some additional gripes in addition to jean-marc's titlebar and layout complaints: - the floating paragraph settings widget shouldn't be resizable - the buttons should be at the bottom - there is

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Leuven, E. wrote: I'd appreciate if you could revert the docking part indeed. Look at what I've just committed. some additional gripes in addition to jean-marc's titlebar and layout complaints: - the floating paragraph settings widget shouldn't be resizable I tried but I am not good enough

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Leuven, E. wrote: I'd appreciate if you could revert the docking part indeed. Look at what I've just committed. some additional gripes in addition to jean-marc's titlebar and layout complaints: - the floating paragraph settings widget shouldn't be resizable I

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Tommaso Cucinotta
Abdelrazak Younes ha scritto: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Do you use routinely different line spacings on different paragraphs? Me no but I do know some people that do. Wether docked or dialogged, may I suggest having another checkbox out there

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: Abdelrazak Younes ha scritto: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Do you use routinely different line spacings on different paragraphs? Me no but I do know some people that do. Wether docked or dialogged, may I suggest having

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Richard Heck
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I will forbid the docking in the future. Is that a compromise? It depends what you mean by forbid. I think docking has its uses. And, after reading through most of this thread: If making things dockABLE is possible without too much other chaos, then I don't

RE: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Leuven, E.
> For some people, especially people on > smaller screens, or people who (like my wife) > like to work maximized, it will be very, very useful. working maximized doesn't imply that everything should be docked...

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Richard Heck wrote: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I will forbid the docking in the future. Is that a compromise? It depends what you mean by forbid. I think docking has its uses. And, after reading through most of this thread: If making things dockABLE is possible without too much other

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Richard Heck
Leuven, E. wrote: For some people, especially people on smaller screens, or people who (like my wife) like to work maximized, it will be very, very useful. working maximized doesn't imply that everything should be docked... No, certainly not. But it does mean it can be useful to have

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-27 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 10:47:15AM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Face it, an undocked window is not a dialog, but a second class window, > palette-like with a smallish greyish title bar. I don't like them > (which is my prerogative). It looks the way we want it to look like... > The right

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Author: younes Date: Wed Sep 26 15:13:01 2007 New Revision: 20513 URL: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/20513 Log: Redesign and cleanup the Paragraph Settings dialog: - GuiParagraphDialog: Renamed to GuiParagraph - Now use the DockView infrastructure (and is thus

RE: Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Leuven, E.
hi abdel, to be frank, i don't see why we would like to have this as a dockwidget i think the dockwidget is handy if one would like to keep it open (with the toc for example, but maybe also the references), or get the dialog out of the way (like with the find/replace dialog) this is not the

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Leuven, E. wrote: hi abdel, to be frank, i don't see why we would like to have this as a dockwidget i think the dockwidget is handy if one would like to keep it open (with the toc for example, but maybe also the references), or get the dialog out of the way (like with the find/replace dialog)

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Leuven, E. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hi abdel, to be frank, i don't see why we would like to have this as a dockwidget Agreed. I know that dockwidgets can be undocked, but this make a rather poor (at least ugly) dialog IMO. I would prefer to have a few carefully selected dialogs turned to

RE: Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Leuven, E.
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: But I understand your point and I'd propose to detach it by default, is that OK? as long as the detached layout is good (ie gives a well designed dialog), that would be fine with me i suppose. note that at the moment the layout does not adjust to where it is docked.

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Leuven, E. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hi abdel, to be frank, i don't see why we would like to have this as a dockwidget Agreed. I know that dockwidgets can be undocked, but this make a rather poor (at least ugly) dialog IMO. Why is that? The only difference is

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Leuven, E. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hi abdel, to be frank, i don't see why we would like to have this as a dockwidget Agreed. I know that dockwidgets can be undocked, but this make a rather poor (at least ugly) dialog IMO. I would prefer to have a few carefully

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perhaps I am special but for me only modal dialogs really need to remain dialogs and all other dialogs should be converted to dockwidget. Yes, I understood this is where you are heading, but I do not like it much. This is because I always work in

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Leuven, E. wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: But I understand your point and I'd propose to detach it by default, is that OK? as long as the detached layout is good (ie gives a well designed dialog), that would be fine with me i suppose. note that at the moment the layout does not adjust to

RE: Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Leuven, E.
I agree and that's where I need your help ;-) personally i would prefer to keep this dialog modal. also because we should discourage people to use it... ;-)

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Helge Hafting
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Perhaps I am special but for me only modal dialogs really need to remain dialogs and all other dialogs should be converted to dockwidget. This is because I always work in full screen mode. With Tabified dockwidget this is even better because the dialog is a single

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't ever work maximized though - they could remove the max button and I wouldn't notice. Vertical maximization is nice. I understand that maximizing can be useful when you don't need to see extra material, but many people do need that. Also,

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Leuven, E. wrote: I agree and that's where I need your help ;-) personally i would prefer to keep this dialog modal. also because we should discourage people to use it... ;-) I know but they are not forced do use it :-) But really, try it up while navigating in your document and see the

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Edwin Leuven
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: I know but they are not forced do use it :-) and it shouldn't be made too easy for them to abuse it But really, try it up while navigating in your document and see the dialog automatically reflecting the current paragraph settings. Pretty cool IMO. cool perhaps,

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't ever work maximized though - they could remove the max button and I wouldn't notice. Vertical maximization is nice. I understand that maximizing can be useful when you don't need to see extra material, but many

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Helge Hafting wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Perhaps I am special but for me only modal dialogs really need to remain dialogs and all other dialogs should be converted to dockwidget. This is because I always work in full screen mode. With Tabified dockwidget this is even better because the

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Edwin Leuven wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: I know but they are not forced do use it :-) and it shouldn't be made too easy for them to abuse it But really, try it up while navigating in your document and see the dialog automatically reflecting the current paragraph settings. Pretty cool

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: FYI, there is a bug in the GUII framework in that the dialog is not updated on Cursor movement as it used to be (hence the buggy toc and ViewSource for example). When that is fixed, I assume that the paragraph dialog will be automatically updated at startup and upon

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perhaps I am special but for me only modal dialogs really need to remain dialogs and all other dialogs should be converted to dockwidget. Yes, I understood this is where you are heading, but I do not like it much.

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Edwin Leuven
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Anyway, a bit of tolerance for those that don't enjoy positioning windows would be nice. i run full-screen (yep, you guessed it, 12 laptop) but i never feel the need to size and position the paragraph dialog...

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Edwin Leuven wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Anyway, a bit of tolerance for those that don't enjoy positioning windows would be nice. i run full-screen (yep, you guessed it, 12 laptop) but i never feel the need to size and position the paragraph dialog... Like it is right now, I agree it

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Edwin Leuven
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Like it is right now, I agree it is not excessively useful ... But honestly, if we had some other bits like two buttons for increasing/decreasing the depth, it will be a lot more useful. i think you forgot that those two buttons are (and should be) on the toolbar

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 03:23:46PM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Hope you'll like it... if not I'll revert everything. Yes, please. Revert it. -- Enrico

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you let the outline open to the left and ultimately the citation dialog to the right it will be OK :-) On a 24 screen? JMarc

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: also because we should discourage people to use it... ;-) +1. I'd even prefer a toolbar, actually. JMarc

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can think of other settings for this dialog, not necessarily limited to ParagraphParameters. Think counter, think What do you want to do to counters? really, the use you are talking about doesn't fit with the wysiwym philosophy... Wysiswym is

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Author: younes Date: Wed Sep 26 15:13:01 2007 New Revision: 20513 URL: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/20513 Log: Redesign and cleanup the Paragraph Settings dialog: - GuiParagraphDialog: Renamed to GuiParagraph - Now use the DockView infrastructure (and is thus

RE: Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Leuven, E.
hi abdel, to be frank, i don't see why we would like to have this as a dockwidget i think the dockwidget is handy if one would like to keep it open (with the toc for example, but maybe also the references), or get the dialog out of the way (like with the find/replace dialog) this is not the

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Leuven, E. wrote: hi abdel, to be frank, i don't see why we would like to have this as a dockwidget i think the dockwidget is handy if one would like to keep it open (with the toc for example, but maybe also the references), or get the dialog out of the way (like with the find/replace dialog)

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
"Leuven, E." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > hi abdel, > > to be frank, i don't see why we would like to have this as a dockwidget Agreed. I know that dockwidgets can be undocked, but this make a rather poor (at least ugly) dialog IMO. I would prefer to have a few carefully selected dialogs turned

RE: Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Leuven, E.
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > But I understand your point and I'd > propose to detach it by default, is that OK? as long as the detached layout is good (ie gives a well designed dialog), that would be fine with me i suppose. note that at the moment the layout does not adjust to where it is

Re: r20513 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4: Dialogs.c...

2007-09-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: "Leuven, E." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: hi abdel, to be frank, i don't see why we would like to have this as a dockwidget Agreed. I know that dockwidgets can be undocked, but this make a rather poor (at least ugly) dialog IMO. Why is that? The only difference

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