Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-06 Thread Angus Leeming
Matej Cepl wrote: Angus Leeming wrote: Shrug. Taste's differ. Change \textit to \magazine_style and define \magazine_style as you choose in the preamble of the document. No, that is not what I meant -- try to imagine, that I will finally get fed up with the slowness of LyX development and

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-06 Thread Herbert Voss
Matej Cepl wrote: Angus Leeming wrote: Shrug. Taste's differ. Change \textit to \magazine_style and define \magazine_style as you choose in the preamble of the document. No, that is not what I meant -- try to imagine, that I will finally get fed up with the slowness of LyX development and if (or

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-06 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Herbert Voss writes: However, using \textit maybe not good idea when it could be done by the bst file (running custom bib) Agreed; I think in my own specific situation here I will use Angus's original use newcommand in the Preamble suggestion. There, with clarifying comments, I can carefully

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-06 Thread Matej Cepl
Angus Leeming wrote: Try to imagine that LyX development can proceed only with LyX developers. If you want more then the best way to push your agenda is to roll up our sleeves and help. No!!! I am sorry, I didn't mean to be derogative to the great work you guys do (certainly, that there is not

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-06 Thread Matej Cepl
Herbert Voss wrote: nonsense, chmmm -- that's a serious argument :-) a BibTeX database is a base for LaTeX and big and complex databases use the power of LaTeX in the data records, e.g. \url{...} for web addresses together with hyperref. However, using \textit maybe not good idea when it

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-06 Thread Angus Leeming
Matej Cepl wrote: Angus Leeming wrote: Try to imagine that LyX development can proceed only with LyX developers. If you want more then the best way to push your agenda is to roll up our sleeves and help. No!!! I am sorry, I didn't mean to be derogative to the great work you guys do

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-06 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Angus Leeming writes: If all you need is to replace '\L{' with '{\englishtext' then I'd suggest that you should write a little wrapper script Thanks, this was a useful tip; I'm adding some often-occurring Index tags this way. One problem I experienced was that Lyx seems to read in these

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-06 Thread Angus Leeming
Matej Cepl wrote: Angus Leeming wrote: Shrug. Taste's differ. Change \textit to \magazine_style and define \magazine_style as you choose in the preamble of the document. No, that is not what I meant -- try to imagine, that I will finally get fed up with the slowness of LyX development and

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-06 Thread Herbert Voss
Matej Cepl wrote: Angus Leeming wrote: Shrug. Taste's differ. Change \textit to \magazine_style and define \magazine_style as you choose in the preamble of the document. No, that is not what I meant -- try to imagine, that I will finally get fed up with the slowness of LyX development and if (or

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-06 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Herbert Voss writes: However, using \textit maybe not good idea when it could be done by the bst file (running custom bib) Agreed; I think in my own specific situation here I will use Angus's original use newcommand in the Preamble suggestion. There, with clarifying comments, I can carefully

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-06 Thread Matej Cepl
Angus Leeming wrote: Try to imagine that LyX development can proceed only with LyX developers. If you want more then the best way to push your agenda is to roll up our sleeves and help. No!!! I am sorry, I didn't mean to be derogative to the great work you guys do (certainly, that there is not

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-06 Thread Matej Cepl
Herbert Voss wrote: nonsense, chmmm -- that's a serious argument :-) a BibTeX database is a base for LaTeX and big and complex databases use the power of LaTeX in the data records, e.g. \url{...} for web addresses together with hyperref. However, using \textit maybe not good idea when it

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-06 Thread Angus Leeming
Matej Cepl wrote: Angus Leeming wrote: Try to imagine that LyX development can proceed only with LyX developers. If you want more then the best way to push your agenda is to roll up our sleeves and help. No!!! I am sorry, I didn't mean to be derogative to the great work you guys do

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-06 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Angus Leeming writes: If all you need is to replace '\L{' with '{\englishtext' then I'd suggest that you should write a little wrapper script Thanks, this was a useful tip; I'm adding some often-occurring Index tags this way. One problem I experienced was that Lyx seems to read in these

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-06 Thread Angus Leeming
Matej Cepl wrote: > Angus Leeming wrote: >> Shrug. Taste's differ. Change \textit to \magazine_style and define >> \magazine_style as you choose in the preamble of the document. > > No, that is not what I meant -- try to imagine, that I will finally get > fed up with the slowness of LyX

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-06 Thread Herbert Voss
Matej Cepl wrote: Angus Leeming wrote: Shrug. Taste's differ. Change \textit to \magazine_style and define \magazine_style as you choose in the preamble of the document. No, that is not what I meant -- try to imagine, that I will finally get fed up with the slowness of LyX development and if (or

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-06 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Herbert Voss writes: > However, using \textit > maybe not good idea when it could be done by the bst file > (running custom bib) Agreed; I think in my own specific situation here I will use Angus's original "use newcommand in the Preamble" suggestion. There, with clarifying comments, I can

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-06 Thread Matej Cepl
Angus Leeming wrote: > Try to imagine that LyX development can proceed only with LyX developers. > If you want more then the best way to push your agenda is to roll up our > sleeves and help. No!!! I am sorry, I didn't mean to be derogative to the great work you guys do (certainly, that there is

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-06 Thread Matej Cepl
Herbert Voss wrote: > nonsense, chmmm -- that's a serious argument :-) > a BibTeX database is a base for LaTeX and big and complex databases > use the power of LaTeX in the data records, e.g. \url{...} for > web addresses together with hyperref. However, using \textit > maybe not good idea when

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-06 Thread Angus Leeming
Matej Cepl wrote: > Angus Leeming wrote: >> Try to imagine that LyX development can proceed only with LyX >> developers. If you want more then the best way to push your agenda is to >> roll up our sleeves and help. > > No!!! I am sorry, I didn't mean to be derogative to the great work you > guys

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-06 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Angus Leeming writes: > If all you need is to replace '\L{' with '{\englishtext' then I'd > suggest that you should write a little wrapper script Thanks, this was a useful tip; I'm adding some often-occurring Index tags this way. One problem I experienced was that Lyx seems to read in these

working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Me, again. :-) The project I am working on frequently refers to titles of magazines, works of art, publications, etc. It has occurred to me that this could cause a number of problems later on if, for example, the spelling or title changes, or something with the style (I'm using

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Thu, May 05, 2005 at 01:41:22PM +0200, Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: Is there a way to structurally identify such objects such that when later we should find out that the publication was not called Der Cicerone but rather Das Bologne or something, that I can update all 364 mentions of this by

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Angus Leeming
Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: Me, again. :-) The project I am working on frequently refers to titles of magazines, works of art, publications, etc. It has occurred to me that this could cause a number of problems later on if, for example, the spelling or title changes, or something with the style

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Andrew Sullivan writes: Isn't this just what BibTeX is for (maybe I don't understand your problem). I like this idea, but do not know how to get: The book, My Title Here, was written... instead of: The book, [1], was written... I assume that this has something to do with the style of

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: I like this idea, but do not know how to get: The book, My Title Here, was written... instead of: The book, [1], was written... Jurabib has The book, \citetitle{mybook}, was written But LyX doesn't support this natively. Jürgen

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Angus Leeming writes: I think that I'd use ERT. See attached. I looked at this and it works fine, but I don't see it as being very practical as there are dozens and more of such references. Another pitfall I see is that many of the footnotes are truly citations and some even repeat; therefore

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Thu, May 05, 2005 at 06:11:38PM +0200, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Jurabib has The book, \citetitle{mybook}, was written But LyX doesn't support this natively. Couldn't you make a BibTeX style that'd do it? (I'm fiddling with such styles lately anyway, and it seems that LyX will do

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Andrew Sullivan writes: Couldn't you make a BibTeX style that'd do it? (I'm fiddling with such styles lately anyway, and it seems that LyX will do whatever your style tells it to. I don't understand the software completely yet, so I may be totally off the mark here.) Yes, I'm sure (hah)

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Angus Leeming
Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: Andrew Sullivan writes: Couldn't you make a BibTeX style that'd do it? (I'm fiddling with such styles lately anyway, and it seems that LyX will do whatever your style tells it to. I don't understand the software completely yet, so I may be totally off the mark here.)

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Angus Leeming writes: Another way would be to use BibTeX and some black magic :) Seriously. As Jürgen says, the jurabib package can do what you want out of the box. LyX 1.4.x will support jurabib and \citetitle, but for now I'd suggest that you could set things up in LyX to use natbib and

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Angus Leeming wrote: LyX 1.4.x will support jurabib and \citetitle \citetitle not (natively), I'm afraid. Jürgen

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Angus Leeming
Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: Angus Leeming writes: Another way would be to use BibTeX and some black magic :) Seriously. As Jürgen says, the jurabib package can do what you want out of the box. LyX 1.4.x will support jurabib and \citetitle, but for now I'd suggest that you could set things up in

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Angus Leeming
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Angus Leeming wrote: LyX 1.4.x will support jurabib and \citetitle \citetitle not (natively), I'm afraid. Really? I see it in src/frontends/controllers/biblio.C. -- Angus

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Angus Leeming wrote: Really? I see it in src/frontends/controllers/biblio.C. but there's no gui for it. Jürgen

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Matej Cepl
Angus Leeming wrote: \textit{\cite{cicerone}} Really? Why not do that in the BibTeX database? @String{BAUHAUS = {\textit{Das Bauhaus}}} Because I do not think it is wise to put presentation markup (or any non-database markup for that matter) into BibTeX database. Matj -- Matej Cepl,

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Angus Leeming
Matej Cepl wrote: Angus Leeming wrote: \textit{\cite{cicerone}} Really? Why not do that in the BibTeX database? @String{BAUHAUS = {\textit{Das Bauhaus}}} Because I do not think it is wise to put presentation markup (or any non-database markup for that matter) into BibTeX database.

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Matej Cepl
Angus Leeming wrote: Shrug. Taste's differ. Change \textit to \magazine_style and define \magazine_style as you choose in the preamble of the document. No, that is not what I meant -- try to imagine, that I will finally get fed up with the slowness of LyX development and if (or when)

working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Me, again. :-) The project I am working on frequently refers to titles of magazines, works of art, publications, etc. It has occurred to me that this could cause a number of problems later on if, for example, the spelling or title changes, or something with the style (I'm using

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Thu, May 05, 2005 at 01:41:22PM +0200, Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: Is there a way to structurally identify such objects such that when later we should find out that the publication was not called Der Cicerone but rather Das Bologne or something, that I can update all 364 mentions of this by

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Angus Leeming
Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: Me, again. :-) The project I am working on frequently refers to titles of magazines, works of art, publications, etc. It has occurred to me that this could cause a number of problems later on if, for example, the spelling or title changes, or something with the style

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Andrew Sullivan writes: Isn't this just what BibTeX is for (maybe I don't understand your problem). I like this idea, but do not know how to get: The book, My Title Here, was written... instead of: The book, [1], was written... I assume that this has something to do with the style of

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: I like this idea, but do not know how to get: The book, My Title Here, was written... instead of: The book, [1], was written... Jurabib has The book, \citetitle{mybook}, was written But LyX doesn't support this natively. Jürgen

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Angus Leeming writes: I think that I'd use ERT. See attached. I looked at this and it works fine, but I don't see it as being very practical as there are dozens and more of such references. Another pitfall I see is that many of the footnotes are truly citations and some even repeat; therefore

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Thu, May 05, 2005 at 06:11:38PM +0200, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Jurabib has The book, \citetitle{mybook}, was written But LyX doesn't support this natively. Couldn't you make a BibTeX style that'd do it? (I'm fiddling with such styles lately anyway, and it seems that LyX will do

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Andrew Sullivan writes: Couldn't you make a BibTeX style that'd do it? (I'm fiddling with such styles lately anyway, and it seems that LyX will do whatever your style tells it to. I don't understand the software completely yet, so I may be totally off the mark here.) Yes, I'm sure (hah)

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Angus Leeming
Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: Andrew Sullivan writes: Couldn't you make a BibTeX style that'd do it? (I'm fiddling with such styles lately anyway, and it seems that LyX will do whatever your style tells it to. I don't understand the software completely yet, so I may be totally off the mark here.)

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Angus Leeming writes: Another way would be to use BibTeX and some black magic :) Seriously. As Jürgen says, the jurabib package can do what you want out of the box. LyX 1.4.x will support jurabib and \citetitle, but for now I'd suggest that you could set things up in LyX to use natbib and

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Angus Leeming wrote: LyX 1.4.x will support jurabib and \citetitle \citetitle not (natively), I'm afraid. Jürgen

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Angus Leeming
Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: Angus Leeming writes: Another way would be to use BibTeX and some black magic :) Seriously. As Jürgen says, the jurabib package can do what you want out of the box. LyX 1.4.x will support jurabib and \citetitle, but for now I'd suggest that you could set things up in

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Angus Leeming
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Angus Leeming wrote: LyX 1.4.x will support jurabib and \citetitle \citetitle not (natively), I'm afraid. Really? I see it in src/frontends/controllers/biblio.C. -- Angus

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Angus Leeming wrote: Really? I see it in src/frontends/controllers/biblio.C. but there's no gui for it. Jürgen

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Matej Cepl
Angus Leeming wrote: \textit{\cite{cicerone}} Really? Why not do that in the BibTeX database? @String{BAUHAUS = {\textit{Das Bauhaus}}} Because I do not think it is wise to put presentation markup (or any non-database markup for that matter) into BibTeX database. Matj -- Matej Cepl,

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Angus Leeming
Matej Cepl wrote: Angus Leeming wrote: \textit{\cite{cicerone}} Really? Why not do that in the BibTeX database? @String{BAUHAUS = {\textit{Das Bauhaus}}} Because I do not think it is wise to put presentation markup (or any non-database markup for that matter) into BibTeX database.

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Matej Cepl
Angus Leeming wrote: Shrug. Taste's differ. Change \textit to \magazine_style and define \magazine_style as you choose in the preamble of the document. No, that is not what I meant -- try to imagine, that I will finally get fed up with the slowness of LyX development and if (or when)

working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Me, again. :-) The project I am working on frequently refers to titles of magazines, works of art, publications, etc. It has occurred to me that this could cause a number of problems later on if, for example, the spelling or title changes, or something with the style (I'm using

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Thu, May 05, 2005 at 01:41:22PM +0200, Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: > > Is there a way to structurally identify such objects such that when later > we should find out that the publication was not called "Der Cicerone" but > rather "Das Bologne" or something, that I can update all 364 mentions of >

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Angus Leeming
Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: > Me, again. :-) > > The project I am working on frequently refers to titles of magazines, > works of art, publications, etc. It has occurred to me that this could > cause a number of problems later on if, for example, the spelling or > title changes, or something with the

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Andrew Sullivan writes: > Isn't this just what BibTeX is for (maybe I don't understand your > problem). I like this idea, but do not know how to get: "The book, My Title Here, was written..." instead of: "The book, [1], was written..." I assume that this has something to do with the style of

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: > I like this idea, but do not know how to get: > > "The book, My Title Here, was written..." > > instead of: > > "The book, [1], was written..." Jurabib has "The book, \citetitle{mybook}, was written ...". But LyX doesn't support this natively. Jürgen

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Angus Leeming writes: > I think that I'd use ERT. See attached. I looked at this and it works fine, but I don't see it as being very practical as there are dozens and more of such references. Another pitfall I see is that many of the footnotes are truly citations and some even repeat;

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Thu, May 05, 2005 at 06:11:38PM +0200, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > Jurabib has > > "The book, \citetitle{mybook}, was written ...". But LyX doesn't support this > natively. Couldn't you make a BibTeX style that'd do it? (I'm fiddling with such styles lately anyway, and it seems that LyX

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Andrew Sullivan writes: > Couldn't you make a BibTeX style that'd do it? (I'm fiddling with > such styles lately anyway, and it seems that LyX will do whatever > your style tells it to. I don't understand the software > completely yet, so I may be totally off the mark here.) Yes, I'm sure (hah)

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Angus Leeming
Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: > Andrew Sullivan writes: >> Couldn't you make a BibTeX style that'd do it? (I'm fiddling with >> such styles lately anyway, and it seems that LyX will do whatever >> your style tells it to. I don't understand the software >> completely yet, so I may be totally off the

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Angus Leeming writes: > Another way would be to use BibTeX and some black magic :) > > Seriously. > > As Jürgen says, the jurabib package can do what you want "out of the > box". LyX 1.4.x will support jurabib and \citetitle, but for now I'd > suggest that you could set things up in LyX to use

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Angus Leeming wrote: > LyX 1.4.x will support jurabib and \citetitle \citetitle not (natively), I'm afraid. Jürgen

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Angus Leeming
Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: > Angus Leeming writes: >> Another way would be to use BibTeX and some black magic :) >> >> Seriously. >> >> As Jürgen says, the jurabib package can do what you want "out of the >> box". LyX 1.4.x will support jurabib and \citetitle, but for now I'd >> suggest that you could

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Angus Leeming
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > Angus Leeming wrote: >> LyX 1.4.x will support jurabib and \citetitle > > \citetitle not (natively), I'm afraid. Really? I see it in src/frontends/controllers/biblio.C. -- Angus

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Angus Leeming wrote: > Really? I see it in src/frontends/controllers/biblio.C. but there's no gui for it. Jürgen

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Matej Cepl
Angus Leeming wrote: >> \textit{\cite{cicerone}} > > Really? Why not do that in the BibTeX database? > > @String{BAUHAUS = {\textit{Das Bauhaus}}} Because I do not think it is wise to put presentation markup (or any non-database markup for that matter) into BibTeX database. Matěj -- Matej

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Angus Leeming
Matej Cepl wrote: > Angus Leeming wrote: >>> \textit{\cite{cicerone}} >> >> Really? Why not do that in the BibTeX database? >> >> @String{BAUHAUS = {\textit{Das Bauhaus}}} > > Because I do not think it is wise to put presentation markup (or any > non-database markup for that matter) into

Re: working with repeat references to titles of other works

2005-05-05 Thread Matej Cepl
Angus Leeming wrote: > Shrug. Taste's differ. Change \textit to \magazine_style and define > \magazine_style as you choose in the preamble of the document. No, that is not what I meant -- try to imagine, that I will finally get fed up with the slowness of LyX development and if (or when)