Re: Sectioned and multiple references in the same document

[Joel Kulesza]

I'm quite late to the discussion, but I had independently developed (also
using extensive trial-and-error) a sectioned document with chapter-wise
bibliographies.  Note that it is *not* based on classicthesis.

Regardless, it is available at:
https://github.com/jkulesza/LyX_Multipart_Doc_Chapterwise_Bib

I wonder if something like this and/or the classicthesis example
could/should be provided in the Help -> Specific Manuals section...

Regards,
Joel

On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 5:46 PM, John Kane  wrote:

> Ah yes,  I see your point. Trial and error to the nth degree. Still I
> think those hints will help even if I am left saying "I am not going to
> write a dissertation", NO, NO! Not with Miede's!
>
> The unfortunate thing is that Miede's classicthesis is so seductive that
> people writing books and monographs may get sucked in.  Come to think of
> it, I already know one historian who intends to use it for his dissertation.
> So we probably need any and every hint we can get.
> Thanks
>
> On 3 September 2016 at 08:01, Michael Berger  wrote:
>
>>
>> On 09/03/2016 03:57 AM, John Kane wrote:
>>
>> And what did you do---in LyX terms.   We can probably do the stubbornness
>> ourselves, well some of us anyway.
>>
>> On 2 September 2016 at 06:52, Michael Berger  wrote:
>>
>>> Just managed to resolve the issue myself.
>>>
>>> Applied method: stubbornness mixed with trial and errors.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/01/2016 05:08 PM, Michael Berger wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 ...

>>>
>>>
>> --
>> John Kane
>> Kingston ON Canada
>>
>> John, I do not feel competent to provide sort of directions what to do. I
>> must have done too many
>> things wrong from the beginning. So tracking back is not possible even if
>> I wanted to.
>> Furthermore, each case is most probably different.
>> But if somebody needs help in setting up sectioned plus multiple
>> bibliographies together (in a document
>> based on Miede's classicthesis, using the master-child concept) I am
>> prepared to share my experience.
>>
>> Lyx 2.1.3, classicthesis-LyX-v4.1, linguistic modules loaded
>>
>> Though, a couple of things make me wonder, e. g. the following:
>> With me, sectioned bibliographies only work if using 'unsrt' or unsrtnat'
>> which to me makes sense.
>> The bibtopic documentation says that bibtopic does not work  with (or
>> does not support?)  'unsrt'.
>> But here it does and everything works just perfect without compromise.
>> The style option in the first line of the ERT (screenshot) may be plain,
>> plainnat, unsrt, unsrtnat or may
>> even be removed without effecting the document or the format of any of
>> its seven different bibliographies.
>>
>> The bibliography default style in both the master and the child is set to
>> 'unsrtnat' and this one obviously
>> determines the format of all the document's bibliographies.
>>
>> The child's preamble only has two lines:
>>
>> \usepackage[style=long,nolist]{glossaries}
>>
>> \usepackage{bibtopic}
>>
>> I hope my experience can be of help to other users although there may not
>> be too many working on
>>
>> documents with similar structure and challenges.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> John Kane
> Kingston ON Canada
>

Re: Sectioned and multiple references in the same document

[John Kane]

Ah yes,  I see your point. Trial and error to the nth degree. Still I think
those hints will help even if I am left saying "I am not going to write a
dissertation", NO, NO! Not with Miede's!

The unfortunate thing is that Miede's classicthesis is so seductive that
people writing books and monographs may get sucked in.  Come to think of
it, I already know one historian who intends to use it for his dissertation.
So we probably need any and every hint we can get.
Thanks

On 3 September 2016 at 08:01, Michael Berger  wrote:

>
> On 09/03/2016 03:57 AM, John Kane wrote:
>
> And what did you do---in LyX terms.   We can probably do the stubbornness
> ourselves, well some of us anyway.
>
> On 2 September 2016 at 06:52, Michael Berger  wrote:
>
>> Just managed to resolve the issue myself.
>>
>> Applied method: stubbornness mixed with trial and errors.
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>> On 09/01/2016 05:08 PM, Michael Berger wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>
>>
> --
> John Kane
> Kingston ON Canada
>
> John, I do not feel competent to provide sort of directions what to do. I
> must have done too many
> things wrong from the beginning. So tracking back is not possible even if
> I wanted to.
> Furthermore, each case is most probably different.
> But if somebody needs help in setting up sectioned plus multiple
> bibliographies together (in a document
> based on Miede's classicthesis, using the master-child concept) I am
> prepared to share my experience.
>
> Lyx 2.1.3, classicthesis-LyX-v4.1, linguistic modules loaded
>
> Though, a couple of things make me wonder, e. g. the following:
> With me, sectioned bibliographies only work if using 'unsrt' or unsrtnat'
> which to me makes sense.
> The bibtopic documentation says that bibtopic does not work  with (or does
> not support?)  'unsrt'.
> But here it does and everything works just perfect without compromise.
> The style option in the first line of the ERT (screenshot) may be plain,
> plainnat, unsrt, unsrtnat or may
> even be removed without effecting the document or the format of any of its
> seven different bibliographies.
>
> The bibliography default style in both the master and the child is set to
> 'unsrtnat' and this one obviously
> determines the format of all the document's bibliographies.
>
> The child's preamble only has two lines:
>
> \usepackage[style=long,nolist]{glossaries}
>
> \usepackage{bibtopic}
>
> I hope my experience can be of help to other users although there may not
> be too many working on
>
> documents with similar structure and challenges.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>


-- 
John Kane
Kingston ON Canada

Re: Sectioned and multiple references in the same document

[Michael Berger]

On 09/03/2016 03:57 AM, John Kane wrote:
And what did you do---in LyX terms.   We can probably do the 
stubbornness ourselves, well some of us anyway.


On 2 September 2016 at 06:52, Michael Berger > wrote:


Just managed to resolve the issue myself.

Applied method: stubbornness mixed with trial and errors.

cheers,

Michael


On 09/01/2016 05:08 PM, Michael Berger wrote:

Hi,

...



--
John Kane
Kingston ON Canada
John, I do not feel competent to provide sort of directions what to do. 
I must have done too many
things wrong from the beginning. So tracking back is not possible even 
if I wanted to.

Furthermore, each case is most probably different.
But if somebody needs help in setting up sectioned plus multiple 
bibliographies together (in a document
based on Miede's classicthesis, using the master-child concept) I am 
prepared to share my experience.


Lyx 2.1.3, classicthesis-LyX-v4.1, linguistic modules loaded

Though, a couple of things make me wonder, e. g. the following:
With me, sectioned bibliographies only work if using 'unsrt' or 
unsrtnat' which to me makes sense.
The bibtopic documentation says that bibtopic does not work  with (or 
does not support?)  'unsrt'.

But here it does and everything works just perfect without compromise.
The style option in the first line of the ERT (screenshot) may be plain, 
plainnat, unsrt, unsrtnat or may
even be removed without effecting the document or the format of any of 
its seven different bibliographies.


The bibliography default style in both the master and the child is set 
to 'unsrtnat' and this one obviously

determines the format of all the document's bibliographies.

The child's preamble only has two lines:

\usepackage[style=long,nolist]{glossaries}

\usepackage{bibtopic}

I hope my experience can be of help to other users although there may 
not be too many working on


documents with similar structure and challenges.

Cheers,

Michael

Re: Sectioned and multiple references in the same document

[John Kane]

And what did you do---in LyX terms.   We can probably do the stubbornness
ourselves, well some of us anyway.

On 2 September 2016 at 06:52, Michael Berger  wrote:

> Just managed to resolve the issue myself.
>
> Applied method: stubbornness mixed with trial and errors.
>
> cheers,
>
> Michael
>
>
> On 09/01/2016 05:08 PM, Michael Berger wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am trying to set up multiple references in a classicthesis 4.1 document
>> (applying the master/child concept).
>>
>> The document works well with an existing sectioned bibliography. However,
>> I fail to add another small
>>
>> bibliography in a separate chapter using the bibtoc package.
>>
>> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Michael Berger
>>
>> PS. I did study what I found - ideally would be somebody with empirical
>> cognition :-D
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
John Kane
Kingston ON Canada

Re: Sectioned and multiple references in the same document

[Michael Berger]

Just managed to resolve the issue myself.

Applied method: stubbornness mixed with trial and errors.

cheers,

Michael


On 09/01/2016 05:08 PM, Michael Berger wrote:

Hi,

I am trying to set up multiple references in a classicthesis 4.1 
document (applying the master/child concept).


The document works well with an existing sectioned bibliography. 
However, I fail to add another small


bibliography in a separate chapter using the bibtoc package.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Michael Berger

PS. I did study what I found - ideally would be somebody with 
empirical cognition :-D

Sectioned and multiple references in the same document

[Michael Berger]

Hi,

I am trying to set up multiple references in a classicthesis 4.1 
document (applying the master/child concept).


The document works well with an existing sectioned bibliography. 
However, I fail to add another small


bibliography in a separate chapter using the bibtoc package.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Michael Berger

PS. I did study what I found - ideally would be somebody with empirical 
cognition :-D