PKG_PROG_PKG_CONFIG on MacOSX 10.5.8

2013-02-21 Thread Jan Stary
I am building libsndfile from git on MacOSX 10.5.8. I know we have a port; I am experimenting with the source. Building from the source needs ./autogen.sh to be run. That's when I run into a problem: Script started on Wed Feb 20 21:41:40 2013 hans@mac:libsndfile$ ./autogen.sh -n checking for

Re: UNIX commands font

2013-02-21 Thread Jan Stary
On Feb 13 18:59:45, lar...@macports.org wrote: On Feb 13, 2013, at 6:23 PM, Alejandro Imass aim...@yabarana.com wrote: Linux tutorials (which are plentiful) will work as well, but remember that Mac OS X is more BSD-like with some Linux accents like the bash shell. I don't see how bash

Re: Macports stopped working after xcode 4.6 upgrade

2013-02-21 Thread Harald Hanche-Olsen
[Lawrence Velázquez lar...@macports.org (2013-02-21 06:31:44 UTC)] Very annoying. I've actually filed a Radar about this. http://openradar.appspot.com/radar?id=2620402 Good. (Should this be in the FAQ?) Considering that we don't recommend using /etc/paths or /etc/paths.d anywhere,

Re: parental internet filter from MacPorts

2013-02-21 Thread Jan Stary
On Feb 19 21:38:06, guanoape...@gmx.ch wrote: Is there a black list for Tarot and other Black magic? I took the liberty of creating one for you: Tarot Black Magic My customer wishes internet filter based on Catholic Church morale. I assume your customer is demented, or at

Re: UNIX commands font

2013-02-21 Thread Jean Gobin
Indeed, bash is the default shell on linux ... by default. You can change it, and for instance, certain database softwares will require that either csh or ksh be the login shell. I don't see how bash is a Linux-ism. I see the point: bash tends to be associated with Linux. However, you may run

Re: PKG_PROG_PKG_CONFIG on MacOSX 10.5.8

2013-02-21 Thread Lawrence Velázquez
On Feb 21, 2013, at 3:06 AM, Jan Stary h...@stare.cz wrote: Could someone who knows the pkg-config internals please enlighten me on this? Is it really the case that our pkg-config (as installed by devel/pkgconfig) does not have the PKG_PROG_PKG_CONFIG macro? Looks defined to me. From

Broken perl configuration

2013-02-21 Thread Bruce Miller
Hello folks; I'm new here, and actually only seldom a mac user, but I do develop software that colleagues run -- or used to run on -- a mac. The software uses the standard Makefile.PL/ MakeMaker set up to build install the executable scripts in a standard place. That is, it NOWHERE

Re: UNIX commands font

2013-02-21 Thread William H. Magill
On Feb 21, 2013, at 4:02 AM, Jean Gobin jeanfgo...@gmail.com wrote: FreeBSD defaults to csh, OpenBSD and NetBSD to ksh. Up until recently ?? Tiger maybe?? ... OSX also defaulted to ksh. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # iMac11,3 Core i7 [2.93GHz - 8 GB 1067MHz] OS X 10.8.2 # MacBook Pro4.1 Core 2

Re: UNIX commands font

2013-02-21 Thread Kevin Walzer
On 2/21/13 10:15 AM, William H. Magill wrote: Up until recently ?? Tiger maybe?? ... OSX also defaulted to ksh. I don't think that's correct. On 10.2 OS X defaulted to tcsh, then switched to bash on 10.3. I remember this because the syntax of shell scripts was so different. -- Kevin Walzer

Re: UNIX commands font

2013-02-21 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:15 AM, William H. Magill mag...@mac.com wrote: On Feb 21, 2013, at 4:02 AM, Jean Gobin jeanfgo...@gmail.com wrote: FreeBSD defaults to csh, OpenBSD and NetBSD to ksh. Up until recently ?? Tiger maybe?? ... OSX also defaulted to ksh. Pre-Tiger, user accounts had

Re: UNIX commands font

2013-02-21 Thread William H. Magill
On Feb 21, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Kevin Walzer k...@codebykevin.com wrote: On 2/21/13 10:15 AM, William H. Magill wrote: Up until recently ?? Tiger maybe?? ... OSX also defaulted to ksh. I don't think that's correct. On 10.2 OS X defaulted to tcsh, then switched to bash on 10.3. I remember

About iStumbler

2013-02-21 Thread William H. Magill
I have been an iStumbler user for many years, lately via MacPorts, and recently have had some folks ask me about it's status. If you visit www.istumbler.net -- it does not support Mountain Lion, and only the beta of iStumbler 100 supports 10.7 Lion. Clearly, the MacPorts implementation runs on

Re: About iStumbler

2013-02-21 Thread Jeremy Lavergne
1- is anybody supporting iStumbler anymore? It doesn't look dead -- but it is clearly not current. Looks like it gets touched up by whomever feels like it: http://trac.macports.org/log/trunk/dports/aqua/istumbler/Portfile Note that +use_binary is the default variant, which installs a .app

Re: Broken perl configuration

2013-02-21 Thread Daniel J. Luke
On Feb 21, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bruce Miller bruce.mil...@nist.gov wrote: With MacPort's perl 5.12, the executable is installed in /opt/local/libexec/perl5.12/sitebin which is *NOT* where people expect to find programs. And it's NOT a directory people want to maintain in their $PATH. why? Why

Re: Broken perl configuration

2013-02-21 Thread Bruce Miller
On 02/21/2013 11:05 AM, Daniel J. Luke wrote: On Feb 21, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bruce Miller bruce.mil...@nist.gov wrote: With MacPort's perl 5.12, the executable is installed in /opt/local/libexec/perl5.12/sitebin which is *NOT* where people expect to find programs. And it's NOT a directory

Re: Broken perl configuration

2013-02-21 Thread Daniel J. Luke
On Feb 21, 2013, at 11:37 AM, Bruce Miller bruce.mil...@nist.gov wrote: And, let's be frank; Macs cater (wisely, perhaps) to a group of users who don't know about, or want to know about, $PATH. ... and those people tend to not ever use the terminal ... ;-) If you're going to use the command

Re: Broken perl configuration

2013-02-21 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Bruce Miller bruce.mil...@nist.govwrote: And, let's be frank; Macs cater (wisely, perhaps) to a group of users who don't know about, or want to know about, $PATH. Only if you stick to Apple-approved stuff. MacPorts, despite tacit support from Apple, is an

Re: Broken perl configuration

2013-02-21 Thread Jeremy Lavergne
And, let's be frank; Macs cater (wisely, perhaps) to a group of users who don't know about, or want to know about, $PATH. Only if you stick to Apple-approved stuff. MacPorts, despite tacit support from Apple, is an outsider and ultimately can never really integrate seamlessly. (See for

Re: Broken perl configuration

2013-02-21 Thread Bruce Miller
On 02/21/2013 11:46 AM, Daniel J. Luke wrote: On Feb 21, 2013, at 11:37 AM, Bruce Miller bruce.mil...@nist.gov wrote: And, let's be frank; Macs cater (wisely, perhaps) to a group of users who don't know about, or want to know about, $PATH. ... and those people tend to not ever use the

Re: Broken perl configuration

2013-02-21 Thread Jeremy Lavergne
Is Macports also installing a symlink from a standard place to the version specific place? (and if so how is that different from the normal non-versioned collision). Or does it have some sort of alternatives management going on? (as was mentioned in another response) The versions of perl

Re: Broken perl configuration

2013-02-21 Thread Daniel J. Luke
On Feb 21, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Bruce Miller bruce.mil...@nist.gov wrote: It might make sense to set vendorbin like we're doing, but leave sitebin alone (allowing people who install outside of macports to shoot themselves in the foot). I don't know if its really outside of macports; isn't

Re: Broken perl configuration

2013-02-21 Thread Bruce Miller
On 02/21/2013 12:14 PM, Daniel J. Luke wrote: On Feb 21, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Bruce Miller bruce.mil...@nist.gov wrote: It might make sense to set vendorbin like we're doing, but leave sitebin alone (allowing people who install outside of macports to shoot themselves in the foot). I don't

Re: Broken perl configuration

2013-02-21 Thread Daniel J. Luke
On Feb 21, 2013, at 12:30 PM, Bruce Miller bruce.mil...@nist.gov wrote: yes. What I'm saying is if you do ${prefix}/bin/perl Makefile.PL make make install you're installing something into MacPorts' ${prefix} that MacPorts doesn't know about - it's much better to use 'port' to manage

Broken perl configuration

2013-02-21 Thread Derek Lamb
Sorry for replying out-of-thread; I just got myself subscribed. Some comments: Why would people care whether they have /opt/local/bin or /opt/local/libexec/perl5.12/sitebin or /my/nonstandard/macports/prefix/bin in their $PATH? Maybe they don't care what their $PATH looks like, but I don't

Re: Broken perl configuration

2013-02-21 Thread Bruce R Miller
On 02/21/2013 12:33 PM, Daniel J. Luke wrote: On Feb 21, 2013, at 12:30 PM, Bruce Millerbruce.mil...@nist.gov wrote: yes. What I'm saying is if you do ${prefix}/bin/perl Makefile.PL make make install you're installing something into MacPorts' ${prefix} that MacPorts doesn't know about -

Re: Broken perl configuration

2013-02-21 Thread Bruce R Miller
On 02/21/2013 11:37 AM, Bruce Miller wrote: How about you configure Perl so that Portfiles will deal with all the versioning magic and hide things where you want. But a plain old Makefile.PL will just do the Right Thing. Would that be workable? In view of all the comments, maybe I should

Re: Broken perl configuration

2013-02-21 Thread Ryan Schmidt
On Feb 21, 2013, at 17:19, Bruce R Miller wrote: As much as you or I may like to stay within managed packages, you never can keep up with CPAN and shouldn't try. We can and do try to keep up with CPAN actually. That's why there are almost 1000 ports whose names begin with p5-. If any of them

Re: Broken perl configuration

2013-02-21 Thread Daniel J. Luke
On Feb 21, 2013, at 6:19 PM, Bruce R Miller bruce.mil...@nist.gov wrote: But a plain perl used from commands like perl Makefile.PL will use the more common installation directories, like macports used to do, and every other OS does. which just exchanges the specific behavior you don't want