Re: Why I Run Old System Software

2014-10-11 Thread Chris Jones
In fact, certain changes in 10.9 (like with Mail.app) have gotten me to investigate KDE for alternatives ... And 10.6 still has Rosetta (and frankly, how much would it have cost to provide that tech as an optional install?) A lot. Rosetta was not just an application you could install,

Re: End of Python 2.4–2.6 and 3.1–3.3 support

2014-10-11 Thread Ryan Schmidt
On Oct 11, 2014, at 4:23 AM, René J.V. Bertin wrote: On Friday October 10 2014 23:56:09 Lawrence Velázquez wrote: Ports using these series will be migrated to Python 2.7 or 3.4 as appropriate. New ports will only use 2.7 and 3.4 (and 3.5, when it is released). Will there also be

Re: End of Python 2.4–2.6 and 3.1–3.3 support

2014-10-11 Thread René J . V . Bertin
On Saturday October 11 2014 06:27:33 Ryan Schmidt wrote: What exactly do you mean by cleaning up? I've already seen many commits go through with old python ports being added to the new py-graveyard port. This should facilitate upgrades by making the old ports replaced_by the new versions.

Re: Why I Run Old System Software

2014-10-11 Thread Ryan Schmidt
On Oct 11, 2014, at 4:31 AM, René J.V. Bertin wrote: No. Snow Leopard no longer receives updates of any sort, and Lion will likely follow as soon as Yosemite drops. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1222 I see they still haven't produced an EOL statement (is 10.6 Server still for sale??), we

Re: End of Python 2.4–2.6 and 3.1–3.3 support

2014-10-11 Thread Ryan Schmidt
On Oct 11, 2014, at 6:38 AM, René J.V. Bertin wrote: On Saturday October 11 2014 06:27:33 Ryan Schmidt wrote: What exactly do you mean by cleaning up? I've already seen many commits go through with old python ports being added to the new py-graveyard port. This should facilitate upgrades

Re: End of Python 2.4–2.6 and 3.1–3.3 support

2014-10-11 Thread René J . V . Bertin
On Saturday October 11 2014 06:53:27 Ryan Schmidt wrote: Obviously, the naming is intentional. p5.12-X ports use perl5.12, p5.16-X ports use perl5.16, etc. I don't understand. If a port depends on p5.12-X, then it will use p5.12-X. Obviously, yes. But what if a port depends on

Re: /bin/sh: line 2: `BASH_FUNC_ttr%%': not a valid identifier

2014-10-11 Thread Barrie Stott
On 10 Oct 2014, at 23:45, Greg Earle wrote: On Oct 10, 2014, at 16:06 PM, Barrie Stott zen146...@zen.co.uk wrote: On 10 Oct 2014, at 15:27, Brandon Allbery wrote: That said, 10.6 being unsupported by Apple, it is possible that your best bet is to copy /bin/bash to /bin/bash.apple and

Re: /bin/sh: line 2: `BASH_FUNC_ttr%%': not a valid identifier

2014-10-11 Thread Ryan Schmidt
On Oct 11, 2014, at 7:29 AM, Barrie Stott wrote: I have no objection at all to rebuilding Apple's /bin/bash and /bin/sh when all I have to do is run the given script. However, Greg, do I need to do it? I already have shellshock-proof versions of bash 4.3.27. Is there something special

Re: End of Python 2.4–2.6 and 3.1–3.3 support

2014-10-11 Thread Ryan Schmidt
On Oct 11, 2014, at 7:01 AM, René J.V. Bertin wrote: On Saturday October 11 2014 06:53:27 Ryan Schmidt wrote: Obviously, the naming is intentional. p5.12-X ports use perl5.12, p5.16-X ports use perl5.16, etc. I don't understand. If a port depends on p5.12-X, then it will use p5.12-X.

Re: Why I Run Old System Software

2014-10-11 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 5:31 AM, René J.V. rjvber...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, you can. Either update the addresses in your /etc/apt/sources.list and sources.list.d/* Ubuntu is moderately infamous for even stepping up one version not working; multiple versions in a single go usually fails in

Re: /bin/sh: line 2: `BASH_FUNC_ttr%%': not a valid identifier

2014-10-11 Thread Barrie Stott
On 11 Oct 2014, at 13:35, Ryan Schmidt wrote: On Oct 11, 2014, at 7:29 AM, Barrie Stott wrote: I have no objection at all to rebuilding Apple's /bin/bash and /bin/sh when all I have to do is run the given script. However, Greg, do I need to do it? I already have shellshock-proof versions

Re: /bin/sh: line 2: `BASH_FUNC_ttr%%': not a valid identifier

2014-10-11 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Ryan Schmidt ryandes...@macports.org wrote: It's the version of bash the scripts that came with your operating system were tested with. It's possible there are backwards-incompatible changes in bash 4. There are definitely backwards incompatible changes; most

Re: Why I Run Old System Software

2014-10-11 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 9:10 AM, René J.V. rjvber...@gmail.com wrote: Linux Mint is right to do so because they have a habit of modifying things to their own tastes and against established rules ...which they picked up from Ubuntu and is why Ubuntu upgrades are risky -- brandon s

Re: End of Python 2.4–2.6 and 3.1–3.3 support

2014-10-11 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 9:07 AM, René J.V. rjvber...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe it's time for me to get re-acquainted with TcL ... ;) MacPorts' filter syntax has nothing to do with Tcl, aside from happening to have been written in it; it's also been around for over a decade. :p Perhaps getting

Re: End of Python 2.4–2.6 and 3.1–3.3 support

2014-10-11 Thread Ryan Schmidt
On Oct 11, 2014, at 8:07 AM, René J.V. Bertin wrote: On Saturday October 11 2014 07:40:16 Ryan Schmidt wrote: If a port depends on p5.12-X but p5.16-X would work, the port should update its dependency. 5.16 is the default version of perl in MacPorts at this time which all ports that

Re: Why I Run Old System Software

2014-10-11 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 11:37 AM, René J.V. rjvber...@gmail.com wrote: ...which they picked up from Ubuntu and is why Ubuntu upgrades are risky I'm not so sure about that ... I am. Ubuntu takes a lot of things from testing and does its own release engineering, but misses a lot of stuff

Re: [MacPorts] #45300: akonadi build fails

2014-10-11 Thread Jeff Singleton
Akonadi depends on boost. When you installed boost, did you change the compiler used? If so, this may be the issue. I found out the hard way and forced boost to use the Macports GCC 4.7, and as time went on, I found that ports depending on boost need to be built with the same compiler. On

Re: Why I Run Old System Software

2014-10-11 Thread C.T.
El 11/10/2014, a las 6:25, Chris Jones jon...@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk escribió: A lot. Rosetta was not just an application you could install, but an extension of the underlying OS to provide the translation layer for PowerPC applications. It would need to be kept in sync with any updates to the

Re: Why I Run Old System Software

2014-10-11 Thread Chris Jones
On 11 Oct 2014, at 8:13 pm, C.T. semaphor...@yahoo.com wrote: El 11/10/2014, a las 6:25, Chris Jones jon...@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk escribió: A lot. Rosetta was not just an application you could install, but an extension of the underlying OS to provide the translation layer for PowerPC

Re: Why I Run Old System Software

2014-10-11 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Chris Jones jon...@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk wrote: Did Apple make that scanner ? I presume not, in which case its not Apples responsibility to provide drivers for all possible third party devices, but the vender of those devices. If they choose not to provide an Intel

Re: End of Python 2.4–2.6 and 3.1–3.3 support

2014-10-11 Thread Lawrence Velázquez
On Oct 11, 2014, at 11:39 AM, René J.V. Bertin rjvber...@gmail.com wrote: Which isn't exhaustive ... It's not exhaustive, but it's close. Both requested ports and command-line logical operators are covered. vq ___ macports-users mailing list

Re: Why I Run Old System Software

2014-10-11 Thread Dominik Reichardt
On 11.10.2014, at 21:22, Chris Jones jon...@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk wrote: But now 10.6 has less of the automation and integration we love from OS X. Using its Safari is now strongly discouraged because of security flaws. I absolutely need two independent browsers, and I won't install a Google

Re: Why I Run Old System Software

2014-10-11 Thread C.T.
Apple didn't make the scanner, but when they cut something the software relies upon to work, that's Apple's responsibility. Of course it would much easier if there were no patent on Rosetta's technology, where it could have been released as open source. El 11/10/2014, a las 17:25, Dominik

Re: Why I Run Old System Software

2014-10-11 Thread Chris Jones
On 12 Oct 2014, at 1:20 am, C.T. semaphor...@yahoo.com wrote: Apple didn't make the scanner, but when they cut something the software relies upon to work, that's Apple's responsibility. Apple did not just cut it with no warning, vendors where given plenty of warning via, for instance,

Re: Why I Run Old System Software

2014-10-11 Thread David Nicholls
On 12 Oct 2014, at 6:13 am, C.T. semaphor...@yahoo.commailto:semaphor...@yahoo.com wrote: Apple never provided a suitable replacement for my scanner driver that would render Rosetta unnecessary. I have an old Canon N670U. It never had Mac drivers, as far as I know. However I can run it