Re: NumPy, SciPy, universal builds, and default fortran compiler for scientific ports

2010-06-17 Thread Joshua Root
On 2010-6-17 02:24 , Adam Mercer wrote: Hi There are several tickets open regarding build issues that can essentially be stemmed to the problem that the NumPy and SciPy, at the moment, do not support universal variants. The first of which #19397 [1] provides a solution to the universal

Re: NumPy, SciPy, universal builds, and default fortran compiler for scientific ports

2010-06-17 Thread vincent habchi
Le 17 juin 2010 à 17:48, Joshua Root a écrit : I don't know why anyone would need a universal scipy or numpy. Do they have any dependents that only build for a particular arch? It might be best to just mark all the dependents as non-universal too. Well, that's not a question especially tied

Re: NumPy, SciPy, universal builds, and default fortran compiler for scientific ports

2010-06-17 Thread Scott Webster
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:34 AM, vincent habchi vi...@macports.org wrote: Well, that's not a question especially tied to scipy or numpy. Question is: with the rapid obsolescence of ppc* and i386 machines, what's the point in compiling universal apps ? If the response is: compile on a fast

Re: NumPy, SciPy, universal builds, and default fortran compiler for scientific ports

2010-06-17 Thread Joshua Root
On 2010-6-18 04:30 , Scott Webster wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:34 AM, vincent habchi vi...@macports.org wrote: Well, that's not a question especially tied to scipy or numpy. Question is: with the rapid obsolescence of ppc* and i386 machines, what's the point in compiling universal apps

Re: NumPy, SciPy, universal builds, and default fortran compiler for scientific ports

2010-06-17 Thread Adam Mercer
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 10:48, Joshua Root j...@macports.org wrote: I don't know why anyone would need a universal scipy or numpy. Do they have any dependents that only build for a particular arch? It might be best to just mark all the dependents as non-universal too. I agree, but I think one

Re: NumPy, SciPy, universal builds, and default fortran compiler for scientific ports

2010-06-17 Thread Joshua Root
On 2010-6-18 05:12 , Adam Mercer wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 10:48, Joshua Root j...@macports.org wrote: I don't know why anyone would need a universal scipy or numpy. Do they have any dependents that only build for a particular arch? It might be best to just mark all the dependents as

Re: NumPy, SciPy, universal builds, and default fortran compiler for scientific ports

2010-06-17 Thread vincent habchi
Le 17 juin 2010 à 20:30, Scott Webster a écrit : On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:34 AM, vincent habchi vi...@macports.org wrote: Well, that's not a question especially tied to scipy or numpy. Question is: with the rapid obsolescence of ppc* and i386 machines, what's the point in compiling

Re: NumPy, SciPy, universal builds, and default fortran compiler for scientific ports

2010-06-17 Thread Bryan Blackburn
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 02:12:08PM -0500, Adam Mercer said: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 10:48, Joshua Root j...@macports.org wrote: I don't know why anyone would need a universal scipy or numpy. Do they have any dependents that only build for a particular arch? It might be best to just mark

Re: NumPy, SciPy, universal builds, and default fortran compiler for scientific ports

2010-06-17 Thread Adam Mercer
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 14:24, Joshua Root j...@macports.org wrote: I agree, but I think one problem is that NumPy uses the same compiler flags as were used to build Python (at least that used to be the case), so if Python was built universally so was NumPy - not sure if this is still the

Re: NumPy, SciPy, universal builds, and default fortran compiler for scientific ports

2010-06-17 Thread Ryan Schmidt
On Jun 17, 2010, at 14:32, vincent habchi wrote: I think we ought to identify these apps and figure out why they are 32-bit only and if they could be upgraded. AFAIK, 32-bit only was tied to the GUI using Carbon instead of Cocoa. Yes, a lot of the ports that are 32-bit-only are because of

Re: NumPy, SciPy, universal builds, and default fortran compiler for scientific ports

2010-06-17 Thread vincent habchi
Ryan, Yes, a lot of the ports that are 32-bit-only are because of Carbon. wxWidgets comes to mind. The developers are working on the problem; who knows how long it will take. Yes, I know that. I am afraid the wx-cocoa part is lacking help from experienced Cocoa users. I begin to have a

Re: NumPy, SciPy, universal builds, and default fortran compiler for scientific ports

2010-06-16 Thread vincent habchi
Adam, Le 16 juin 2010 à 18:24, Adam Mercer a écrit : There are several tickets open regarding build issues that can essentially be stemmed to the problem that the NumPy and SciPy, at the moment, do not support universal variants. The first of which #19397 [1] provides a solution to the

Re: NumPy, SciPy, universal builds, and default fortran compiler for scientific ports

2010-06-16 Thread Adam Mercer
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 12:09, vincent habchi vi...@macports.org wrote: Vincent - Further testing, especially on the new i7 machines: gcc43 seems to be incompatible, gcc45 seems to work, but gcc44 behavior is unknown to me at this time; - Maintainer's approval :) I believe this i7

Re: NumPy, SciPy, universal builds, and default fortran compiler for scientific ports

2010-06-16 Thread vincent habchi
Adam I believe this i7 incompatiblity was the reason for ATLAS to use gcc44 instead of gcc43, but testing is important. I know that I systematically told the people that experienced bugs with Atlas on their i7 machine to use the newest possible gcc, that is gcc45, and it worked. But I am not