Re: tdsr
yes i run a m1 macbook with mac os sonoma > 3 mars 2024 kl. 11:30 skrev mattias jonsson : > > have anyone get tdsr working this days? > i follow all instructions but allways fail with the python module foundation -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/4FAD8D37-A1B2-461D-A84B-EC172EEA2E80%40gmail.com.
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have anyone get tdsr working this days? i follow all instructions but allways fail with the python module foundation -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/8980EC6F-1DBB-48B6-A972-991D855D43FB%40gmail.com.
Re: Are people successfully using VIM with VO or TDSR?
Wow, I can’t believe I had not heard of this. I would love to review the code though I am trying right now to figure out how to manage a couple of things in NVDA. So in terms of VI and VoiceOver the move by word commands are the most verbose. And of course the OV movement does not effect the actual cursor position. curses is a the default library set used by UNIX systems to enable full positioning of text and cursor throughout the terminal screen. I believe it also has functions to change text colors. This library package was very important in the early days of UNIX when most interaction with the Operating System was via dumb terminal. If you were on a terminal that did not have the ability to move the insertion to the top (or at least UNIX’s curses library did not know how to do this), then you could either use the EX editor which is essentially the commands that vi uses at the : or you could use vi in non-curses mode. In this mode any change is written out to the screen one line at a time. I would expect there is a way to specify doing this with vim, or the easiest way I used to do this was by setting the TERM environment variable to dumb. HTH, Jonathan Cohn > On Feb 22, 2018, at 2:33 PM, James AUSTIN <james.londons...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Oh and to answer your final question, it as more of a query as i would really > like to use VIM for writing as I find that I am spending more and more time > in the Terminal across all three OS's. > > Best wishes > James > >> On 21 Feb 2018, at 15:30, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I have used vi on Macintosh with Terminal and VO. I am pretty sure that the >> VI on Mac is just a link to VIM. There was a little weirdness with cursor >> positioning, but I could certainly get things done. That being said, I used >> VI with screen enlargement software in non curses mode when I started >> needing 36pt fonts, so I needed to know all the ex/vi commands in order to >> get things done. For example, I don’t use arrow keys with VI and understand >> how to do things at the : prompt. >> >> What is the second screen reader you mention in your question? Also, where >> are you running into difficulties? >> >> >> Thanks, >> Jonathan >> >>> On Feb 21, 2018, at 7:44 AM, James AUSTIN <james.londons...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> Is anyone successfully using VIM with either VO or TDSR please? If so, >>> could they please provide some instructions as my setup is failing >>> miserably. >>> >>> Thanks >>> My best wishes >>> James >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >&g
Re: Are people successfully using VIM with VO or TDSR?
Oh and to answer your final question, it as more of a query as i would really like to use VIM for writing as I find that I am spending more and more time in the Terminal across all three OS's. Best wishes James > On 21 Feb 2018, at 15:30, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I have used vi on Macintosh with Terminal and VO. I am pretty sure that the > VI on Mac is just a link to VIM. There was a little weirdness with cursor > positioning, but I could certainly get things done. That being said, I used > VI with screen enlargement software in non curses mode when I started needing > 36pt fonts, so I needed to know all the ex/vi commands in order to get things > done. For example, I don’t use arrow keys with VI and understand how to do > things at the : prompt. > > What is the second screen reader you mention in your question? Also, where > are you running into difficulties? > > > Thanks, > Jonathan > >> On Feb 21, 2018, at 7:44 AM, James AUSTIN <james.londons...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi folks, >> >> Is anyone successfully using VIM with either VO or TDSR please? If so, could >> they please provide some instructions as my setup is failing miserably. >> >> Thanks >> My best wishes >> James >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Are people successfully using VIM with VO or TDSR?
Hi jonathan Thanks for replying to my question. I have heard of 'curses' mode but am unclear as to what it is specifically. I assume it is something to do with the cursor positioning and the ability to switch between normal and insert modes within VI/VIM. The other Screen Reader, which I seem to rmember reading somewhere works with VIM is Two Day Screen Reader (TDSR) developed by Tyer Spivey. TDSR and instructions for installation can be found at: https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr <https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr> A post to Applevis forums with comments can be found at: https://www.applevis.com/blog/assistive-technology-macos-news/announcing-tdsr-command-line-screen-reader-macintosh-and <https://www.applevis.com/blog/assistive-technology-macos-news/announcing-tdsr-command-line-screen-reader-macintosh-and> Best wishes James > On 21 Feb 2018, at 15:30, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I have used vi on Macintosh with Terminal and VO. I am pretty sure that the > VI on Mac is just a link to VIM. There was a little weirdness with cursor > positioning, but I could certainly get things done. That being said, I used > VI with screen enlargement software in non curses mode when I started needing > 36pt fonts, so I needed to know all the ex/vi commands in order to get things > done. For example, I don’t use arrow keys with VI and understand how to do > things at the : prompt. > > What is the second screen reader you mention in your question? Also, where > are you running into difficulties? > > > Thanks, > Jonathan > >> On Feb 21, 2018, at 7:44 AM, James AUSTIN <james.londons...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi folks, >> >> Is anyone successfully using VIM with either VO or TDSR please? If so, could >> they please provide some instructions as my setup is failing miserably. >> >> Thanks >> My best wishes >> James >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this me
Re: Are people successfully using VIM with VO or TDSR?
I have used vi on Macintosh with Terminal and VO. I am pretty sure that the VI on Mac is just a link to VIM. There was a little weirdness with cursor positioning, but I could certainly get things done. That being said, I used VI with screen enlargement software in non curses mode when I started needing 36pt fonts, so I needed to know all the ex/vi commands in order to get things done. For example, I don’t use arrow keys with VI and understand how to do things at the : prompt. What is the second screen reader you mention in your question? Also, where are you running into difficulties? Thanks, Jonathan > On Feb 21, 2018, at 7:44 AM, James AUSTIN <james.londons...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Is anyone successfully using VIM with either VO or TDSR please? If so, could > they please provide some instructions as my setup is failing miserably. > > Thanks > My best wishes > James > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Are people successfully using VIM with VO or TDSR?
Hi folks, Is anyone successfully using VIM with either VO or TDSR please? If so, could they please provide some instructions as my setup is failing miserably. Thanks My best wishes James -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Anyone tryed it yet? Skickades från E-post för Windows 10 -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
