Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-31 Thread Riku Voipio
Michael Wiktowy wrote: IANAL but it is my understanding that most countries have RFI laws that do not allow RF chip manufacturers to allow their users to modify their chips to switch to licensed bands or use an amount of power that brings it into a licenseable realm. It is not just the case

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-31 Thread Devesh Kothari
ext Marius Gedminas wrote: On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 04:50:47PM +0100, Hugh Warrington wrote: Andrew Flegg wrote: On 8/29/06, Devesh Kothari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ext Christian Pernegger wrote: - setting up the developent environment was a bitch Could you please send me why ? -

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-31 Thread Michael Wiktowy
On 8/31/06, Riku Voipio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More likely manufacturers feel that there is valuable IP in their blobsand would prefer not to give it around to everyone for free, especiallyin a highly competitive market like wlan chipsets are. I suspect that that is the case with the video

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-30 Thread Andrew Barr
On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 11:47 -0400, John B. Holmblad wrote: Andrew, regarding your comment on support for Kimset I would add that with the proliferation of so-called Municipal WIFI networks here in the U.S., it behooves Nokia to make the M770 attractive/useful not only to software developers

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-30 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2006/8/30, Andrew Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 11:47 -0400, John B. Holmblad wrote: Andrew, regarding your comment on support for Kimset I would add that with the proliferation of so-called Municipal WIFI networks here in the U.S., it behooves Nokia to make the M770

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-30 Thread Paulo Pires
On 8/30/06, Kalle Vahlman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2006/8/30, Andrew Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED]:Forgive me if I'm ignorant, but do you mean this one: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cx3110x/It would be good if that page was really alive.-Paulo Pires ___

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-30 Thread Andrew Barr
On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 19:47 +0300, Kalle Vahlman wrote: Forgive me if I'm ignorant, but do you mean this one: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cx3110x/ License: GNU General Public License (GPL) doesn't sound too binary, even though GPL tends to be a bit black-and-white in it's license

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-30 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2006/8/30, Andrew Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 19:47 +0300, Kalle Vahlman wrote: Forgive me if I'm ignorant, but do you mean this one: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cx3110x/ License: GNU General Public License (GPL) doesn't sound too binary, even though GPL tends to

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-30 Thread Koen Kooi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kalle Vahlman schreef: Hmm, I've always been under the impression that any kind of combination of binary-only and GPL code would be in violation... IANAL of course. Slightly a different issue, but a nice read anyway:

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-30 Thread Michael Wiktowy
On 8/30/06, Koen Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-Hash: SHA1Kalle Vahlman schreef: Hmm, I've always been under the impression that any kind of combination of binary-only and GPL code would be in violation... IANAL of course.Slightly a different issue, but a nice

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-30 Thread Andrew Barr
On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 15:56 -0400, Michael Wiktowy wrote: Unfortunately, I don't think the waters are all that clear in this situation. No, unfortunately they're not. IANAL but it is my understanding that most countries have RFI laws that do not allow RF chip manufacturers to allow their

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Kuosmanen Tuomas (Nokia-M/Helsinki)
On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 22:56 +0200, ext Christian Pernegger wrote: I am just telling some truths that others should know. I'm with you insofar as - setting up the developent environment was a bitch [zap] A lot of people, me included, don't have a clue about cross-compiling or embedded

RE: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Kuosmanen Tuomas (Nokia-M/Helsinki)
On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 01:00 +0200, ext Hartmut Henkel wrote: Just to add here: i have one of these Nokias with the broken LCD (vertical stripes). Actually i don't even believe that the LCD is broken, it looks like a wrong setting of the LCD (with the old HP pocket calculators you could tweak

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Aug 29, 2006, at 12:22, Kuosmanen Tuomas (Nokia-M/Helsinki) wrote: The fact that the environment uses its own gtk (while a lot of stuff is being pushed upstream) - this forces you to use a chroot environment. While scratchbox does a lot of things for you to make things less nasty, it's a

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Devesh Kothari
ext Christian Pernegger wrote: I am just telling some truths that others should know. I'm with you insofar as - setting up the developent environment was a bitch Could you please send me why ? - Setting up ScratchBox ??? - Downloading, extracting maemo x.x rootstrap ? - Setting up UI

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Andrew Flegg
On 8/29/06, Devesh Kothari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ext Christian Pernegger wrote: I am just telling some truths that others should know. I'm with you insofar as - setting up the developent environment was a bitch Could you please send me why ? - Setting up ScratchBox ??? - Downloading,

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Devesh Kothari
ext Andrew Barr wrote: On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 18:47 -0300, Alessandro Ikeuchi wrote: ... While I certainly don't agree with the angry tone used, I have to say Maemo and the Nokia 770 have been disappointing in terms of openness. It seems to me that Nokia has opened just enough to get apps

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Acadia Secure Networks
Title: Best Regards, Devesh, the following commentary from Andrew is somewhat disconcerting since it suggests that Nokia is somehow holding back on openness: "I have to say Maemo and the Nokia 770 have been disappointing in terms of openness" Assuming that his disappointment is

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Hugh Warrington
Andrew Flegg wrote: On 8/29/06, Devesh Kothari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ext Christian Pernegger wrote: - setting up the developent environment was a bitch Could you please send me why ? - Setting up ScratchBox ??? - Downloading, extracting maemo x.x rootstrap ? - Setting up UI environment

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Christian Pernegger
Why was [setting up the developent environment difficult]? scratchbox is not an official Debian package, and as far as the rather intrusive directory structure goes, I can see why it isn't. It also needs i386 when my do your worst boxes are both amd64. All in all it was just long and

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Andrew Flegg
On 8/29/06, Hugh Warrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew Flegg wrote: [Getting scratchbox running] It was just a long and labourious process. The `installer' script made it trivial the second time I did it, so much so I wonder why this isn't advertised more as a recommended and

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 04:50:47PM +0100, Hugh Warrington wrote: Andrew Flegg wrote: On 8/29/06, Devesh Kothari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ext Christian Pernegger wrote: - setting up the developent environment was a bitch Could you please send me why ? - Setting up ScratchBox ??? -

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Andrew Barr
On 8/29/06, Devesh Kothari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now what we are concentrating on, beside improving the above is to enable participation and contribution in stages to different parts of maemo, starting with HAF/Sardine which I hope would extend. The starting up and adoption barrier for

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Jaime Ruiz Frontera
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:16:15 -0400 Andrew Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/29/06, Devesh Kothari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] (Just a personal gripe of mine: Proper monitor mode support in the WLAN driver so Kismet will run correctly. ... and packet injection support for aireplay ;)

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Paulo Pires
There is http://garage.maemo.org/projects/cx3110x/ for this particular case. But, unfortunately, nobody is answering in its forums and not even in this ML.Paulo Pires On 8/29/06, Jaime Ruiz Frontera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:16:15 -0400Andrew Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On

[maemo-developers] Re: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Ross Burton
On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 20:10 +0200, Simon Budig wrote: Alessandro Ikeuchi ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: gtk_text_buffer_insert_at_cursor(mybuffer, \u00E3, -1); gtk_text_buffer_insert_at_cursor () expects UTF-8 as the second argument. I don't know what C99 / C++ define for the \u excape

[maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-28 Thread Alessandro Ikeuchi
Nice??? I would never criticize someone that I don´t know... I am just telling some truths that others should know. I am pissed off with Nokia 770...Hildon is pure trash, that´s it... I see everyday in the list, only more bugs and flaws... Don´t you agree? Where are Hildon developers? Where are

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-28 Thread Christian Pernegger
I am just telling some truths that others should know. I'm with you insofar as - setting up the developent environment was a bitch - it still doesn't give you the same environment as a real 770 apparently - C++ plus custom framework doesn't exactly lend itself to RAD, maybe a scripting language

RE: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-28 Thread Alessandro Ikeuchi
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Pernegger Sent: segunda-feira, 28 de agosto de 2006 17:56 To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Cc: Shae Matijs Erisson Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources... I am just telling some truths that others should know

RE: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-28 Thread Andrew Barr
On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 18:47 -0300, Alessandro Ikeuchi wrote: ... While I certainly don't agree with the angry tone used, I have to say Maemo and the Nokia 770 have been disappointing in terms of openness. It seems to me that Nokia has opened just enough to get apps ported and/or written for the

RE: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-28 Thread George Farris
On Mon, 2006-28-08 at 18:40 -0400, Andrew Barr wrote: On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 18:47 -0300, Alessandro Ikeuchi wrote: ... While I certainly don't agree with the angry tone used, I have to say Maemo and the Nokia 770 have been disappointing in terms of openness. It seems to me that Nokia has

RE: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-28 Thread Hartmut Henkel
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006, Andrew Barr wrote: This is unfortunate, because it creates a burden on the Nokia employees working on this project. They are the only ones who can add many requested features or fix bugs, so in many cases people complain to the mail list because they cannot take care of