Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-announce] New Nokia 770 software image available

2006-11-09 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 08:18:49PM +0100, Antonio Orlando wrote: Alternatively, take the output of dpkg-query -l from a fresh flash, then diff it with the one from your customized device. Profiting by the fact that many are now flashing with the new firmware, can someone please post the

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-announce] New Nokia 770 software image available

2006-11-06 Thread Marius Vollmer
ext Frantisek Dufka [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Best would be to use dpkg-repack [1] script which rebuilds packages from installed system (including modified config files) so you can reinstall them later. We were thinking about that, but I have uneasy feelings about recreating packages from the

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-announce] New Nokia 770 software image available

2006-11-06 Thread Armin M. Warda
Marius Vollmer writes: It should be pretty easy to get a list of installed packages from apt (or the application installer) before the flash, and then reinstall them in one swoop with apt-get install. There is maemo-list-user-packages that you could use as a starting point. But

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-announce] New Nokia 770 software image available

2006-11-06 Thread Antonio Orlando
Alternatively, take the output of dpkg-query -l from a fresh flash, then diff it with the one from your customized device. Profiting by the fact that many are now flashing with the new firmware, can someone please post the output of the suggested command from a fresh flash, in order for

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-announce] New Nokia 770 software image available

2006-11-04 Thread Antonio Orlando
dpkg packages has postinst and prerm scripts that get executed while installing/removing package. It it hard to guess what they do (and modify) so you may not know what exactly to backup and may loose some effects of those scripts when restoring just the files from packages. [...] tarring

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-announce] New Nokia 770 software image available

2006-11-03 Thread Frantisek Dufka
Daniel Stone wrote: you can't do the bootloader, kernel, and initfs from userspace. Well, you can, but it really isn't a good idea. It has no chance to be completely safe, something may go wrong pretty easily (like random device reboot). There is no safe order in which you can make the

[maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-announce] New Nokia 770 software image available

2006-11-03 Thread Laurent GUERBY
On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 15:05 +0200, Ferenc Szekely wrote: Connectivity o Improved quality of Bluetooth connections Well that's an understatement :). The connection with my bluetooth GPS (Globalsat BT359) was slow to establish (10 seconds) and unreliable (max 30 minutes, typical 5

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-announce] New Nokia 770 software image available

2006-11-03 Thread Michael Wiktowy
On 11/3/06, Frantisek Dufka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Stone wrote: you can't do the bootloader, kernel, and initfs from userspace. Well, you can, but it really isn't a good idea. It has no chance to be completely safe, something may go wrong pretty easily (like random device reboot).

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-announce] New Nokia 770 software image available

2006-11-03 Thread Igor Stoppa
On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 11:09 -0500, ext Michael Wiktowy wrote: On 11/3/06, Frantisek Dufka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Stone wrote: you can't do the bootloader, kernel, and initfs from userspace. Well, you can, but it really isn't a good idea. It has no chance to be

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-announce] New Nokia 770 software image available

2006-11-03 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 08:09:47PM +0100, Antonio Orlando wrote: Reflashing the device is a fine thing, but it's rather annoying to reinstall all the stuff back, so before doing anything I prefer to ask here: provided I have everything installed the normal way (on the internal memory:

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-announce] New Nokia 770 software image available

2006-11-03 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 11:27:16PM -0500, Michel Salim wrote: Speaking of the image, where is it? Both nokia.com and maemo.org still lists the original IT2006 release from May. http://maemo.org/downloads/nokia_770 The new OS2006 image is SU-18_2006SE_2.2006.39-14_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin The old

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-announce] New Nokia 770 software image available

2006-11-03 Thread Armin M. Warda
By the way, can someone confirm or deny that the backup tool does not back up your /etc/apt/sources.list and therefore you will have to re-add all the application manager repositories manually? Confirmed. Thus it is a good idea to copy it to the MMC before you do the backup/reflash/restore

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-announce] New Nokia 770 software image available

2006-11-03 Thread Frantisek Dufka
Michael Wiktowy wrote: That is also something that could be said for the flashing through the USB method too. If that is interrupted then you are likely equally unable to boot your 770. However, you can always try again ... There is big difference. You don't need the device to be bootable for

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-announce] New Nokia 770 software image available

2006-11-03 Thread Antonio Orlando
I think that using tar to back up and restore applications installed with apt/dpkg would be a Bad Idea. Can I ask why? I have not enough Linux knowledge to answer this (stupid?) question myself. In a Windows environment, I can backup/restore everything just with rar/unrar, having care to

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-announce] New Nokia 770 software image available

2006-11-03 Thread Frantisek Dufka
Antonio Orlando wrote: I think that using tar to back up and restore applications installed with apt/dpkg would be a Bad Idea. Can I ask why? I have not enough Linux knowledge to answer this (stupid?) question myself. dpkg packages has postinst and prerm scripts that get executed while

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-announce] New Nokia 770 software image available

2006-11-03 Thread Rainer Dorsch
Am Freitag, 3. November 2006 19:52 schrieb Marius Gedminas: It should be pretty easy to get a list of installed packages from apt (or the application installer) before the flash, and then reinstall them in one swoop with apt-get install.  I plan to figure this out over the weekend. dpkg

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-announce] New Nokia 770 software image available

2006-11-03 Thread Michel Salim
On 11/3/06, Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 11:27:16PM -0500, Michel Salim wrote: Speaking of the image, where is it? Both nokia.com and maemo.org still lists the original IT2006 release from May. http://maemo.org/downloads/nokia_770 The new OS2006 image is

[maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-announce] New Nokia 770 software image available

2006-11-02 Thread Álvaro J. Iradier
Is it posible to upgrade without flashing? Something like apt-get dist-upgrading packages, flashing new kernel and initfs? Greets. On 11/2/06, Ferenc Szekely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, Nokia is publishing a new software image for the Nokia 770 Internet Tablets today. This is an

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-announce] New Nokia 770 software image available

2006-11-02 Thread Michael Wiktowy
On 11/2/06, Álvaro J. Iradier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it posible to upgrade without flashing? Something like apt-get dist-upgrading packages, flashing new kernel and initfs? Greets. I recall the Nokia devs stating in the past that they did not intend to support this route to upgrading. It

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-announce] New Nokia 770 software image available

2006-11-02 Thread Antonio Orlando
Neither of these things are technically insurmountable but it is a question of whether you want them to spend time and effort trying to get this to work and answering the inevitable questions from situations where it doesn't work or taking the simple brute-force way to upgrading and spending more

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-announce] New Nokia 770 software image available

2006-11-02 Thread Álvaro J. Iradier
Well, do you think it is that hard? I don't mind reinstalling from scratch, but probably many users will think it twice before upgrading, because they don't have time to spend on reinstalling everything :) Dist-upgrading shouldn't be that hard. For a bug-fixing release like this one, it would be

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-announce] New Nokia 770 software image available

2006-11-02 Thread Antonio Orlando
So, let's say, is it possible to backup some directories and files via ssh, flash the device, reinstall the ssh server and write the backed up stuff into the flashed device, in order to have everything working again with minimum effort? Or, maybe (and better), if the exact list of

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-announce] New Nokia 770 software image available

2006-11-02 Thread Daniel Stone
On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 01:40:07PM -0500, ext Michael Wiktowy wrote: I recall the Nokia devs stating in the past that they did not intend to support this route to upgrading. It is too bad but I would imagine that the problems involved are two-fold: It's possible to upgrade the rootfs this way,

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-announce] New Nokia 770 software image available

2006-11-02 Thread Miko Nieminen
On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 22:25 +0200, Daniel Stone wrote: On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 01:40:07PM -0500, ext Michael Wiktowy wrote: I recall the Nokia devs stating in the past that they did not intend to support this route to upgrading. It is too bad but I would imagine that the problems involved

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-announce] New Nokia 770 software image available

2006-11-02 Thread Michel Salim
Speaking of the image, where is it? Both nokia.com and maemo.org still lists the original IT2006 release from May. - Michel On 11/2/06, Álvaro J. Iradier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it posible to upgrade without flashing? Something like apt-get dist-upgrading packages, flashing new kernel and