2010/3/8 Aldon Hynes aldon.hy...@orient-lodge.com:
Graham, (et al.)
I appreciate your concern about shared resources, but it seems to me that
you are overstating the problem.
Not at all. If you look here: http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ you'll find
a proof of what people are refering to when
2010/3/8 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com:
Then you can activate the red-pill mode and unset the Ignore packages
from wrong domain setting.
Red pill mode user interface flow was removed from HAM. Though, still
can be enable through the file ~/.osso/hildon-application-manager
vmjl
ext Victor Manuel Jáquez Leal cey...@gmail.com writes:
2010/3/8 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com:
Then you can activate the red-pill mode and unset the Ignore packages
from wrong domain setting.
Red pill mode user interface flow was removed from HAM.
Ahh, yes, sorry.
Dnia poniedziałek, 8 marca 2010 o 16:21:13 Benoît HERVIER napisał(a):
- I'm not agree with some QA rules, like the fact that you should
point as bug tracker the enter_new.php page so you do not let user
made a search before or display the current know bug, so it ll result
in duplicate bugs.
On Tuesday 09 March 2010 08:27:34 Tim Teulings wrote:
I think initialy (and hopefully still) extras was not about good or bad
software, its was about software that does not break your device (and
does what it told). That is what QA must try to target. Comments about
usability, spelling
Marius Vollmer wrote:
To be fair, libraries do not _need_ to be shared, sharing them is an
optimization.
True, but this is very inefficient on small-memory devices. It makes a
huge difference to have, say, 3 applications sharing a library instead
of having 3 copies in memory instead.
And
[on the issue of libraries]
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 23:04, Graham Cobb g+...@cobb.uk.net wrote:
The situation is completely different in a desktop distribution. Ubuntu,
Debian, etc. include massive numbers of packages -- pretty much anything you
could need and certainly anything that two apps
Yes, HAM uses a kind of trust domain validation mechanism. Thus
maemo-extras has a bigger trust than your repository, and as your
package clashes with one provided by a trusted source, your package is
removed from the installable list.
I encourage you to summit your improvements to the
Hi,
As i'm the maintainer of this packages in extras repository, i need
to found a solution :
The worst is asking to this package to be removed from extras
repositories, and ask user that have already installed this package to
uninstall it, and reinstall it from my repository.
This is why i ask
ext Benoît HERVIER kher...@khertan.net writes:
As i'm the maintainer of this packages in extras repository, i need
to found a solution :
What is the exact problem that you try to solve?
Do you want to install your own version from your own repository on your
own device?
Then you can activate
The purpose is to migrate my softwares from extras to my own
repository as i ll not push anymore my applications to extras, but
only on my own repository.
So current user cannot update actually my softwares with ham. Saying
them to apt-get upgrade from xterm is a solution, but not the best
one.
ext Benoît HERVIER kher...@khertan.net writes:
The purpose is to migrate my softwares from extras to my own
repository as i ll not push anymore my applications to extras, but
only on my own repository.
Ahh, ok. This is not something that is well supported (as you have
found out), and I
2010/3/8 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com:
ext Benoît HERVIER kher...@khertan.net writes:
The purpose is to migrate my softwares from extras to my own
repository as i ll not push anymore my applications to extras, but
only on my own repository.
Ahh, ok. This is not something that is
2010/3/8 Thomas Perl th.p...@gmail.com:
I don't know if Khertan's problem is technical or political
The both, as i'm tired of fighting against bug and wrong thumb down in
QA Testing.
--
Benoît HERVIER, Khertan Softwares - http://khertan.net/
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ext Thomas Perl th.p...@gmail.com writes:
2010/3/8 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com:
ext Benoît HERVIER kher...@khertan.net writes:
The purpose is to migrate my softwares from extras to my own
repository as i ll not push anymore my applications to extras, but
only on my own
2010/3/8 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com:
ext Thomas Perl th.p...@gmail.com writes:
2010/3/8 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com:
ext Benoît HERVIER kher...@khertan.net writes:
The purpose is to migrate my softwares from extras to my own
repository as i ll not push anymore my
2010/3/8 Benoît HERVIER kher...@khertan.net
Hi,
Actually i ve got a problem that i'm trying to solve. I've a version of
PyGTKEditor more recent in my repository and an older on Extras.
The version installed on device is the same than in Extras and was
installed from extras.
Not yet available ... currently this was just an example of log i post ...
2010/3/8 Cláudio Sampaio pat...@gmail.com:
2010/3/8 Benoît HERVIER kher...@khertan.net
Hi,
Actually i ve got a problem that i'm trying to solve. I've a version of
PyGTKEditor more recent in my repository and an older
ext Benoît HERVIER kher...@khertan.net writes:
(or even automatically configures your
new repository and package domain, but you didn't hear that from me, and
if you do that, please don't do it silently).
Anyway it ll not past QA Testing :)
Why wouldn't it? Do we have a policy against
Why wouldn't it? Do we have a policy against this?
Because noone will test such package. It s already difficult to have
vote for real apps, so imagine for a dummy package :)
Maybe you need to cripple your last release to get it to
build and past QA, but maybe that is worth it...
Maybe it s not
On Monday 08 March 2010 13:09:52 Benoît HERVIER wrote:
2010/3/8 Thomas Perl th.p...@gmail.com:
I don't know if Khertan's problem is technical or political
The both, as i'm tired of fighting against bug and wrong thumb down in
QA Testing.
Thomas, I was not aware that there was a problem with
Hi,
2010/3/8 Benoît HERVIER kher...@khertan.net
Why wouldn't it? Do we have a policy against this?
Because noone will test such package. It s already difficult to have
vote for real apps, so imagine for a dummy package :)
The testing Squad is testing every single package that lands in
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Graham Cobb wrote:
On Monday 08 March 2010 13:09:52 Benoît HERVIER wrote:
2010/3/8 Thomas Perl th.p...@gmail.com:
I don't know if Khertan's problem is technical or political
The both, as i'm tired of fighting against bug and wrong thumb down in
QA Testing.
Thomas, I was
By this thread i didn't want to launch a debate on why i'm creating my
own repository, but as it s on the table now :
- There is change in rules that happen frequently which seems to
depends on phase of the moon.
- There is latency in the display things in the maemo.org/packages/
interface which
Hi,
2010/3/8 Benoît HERVIER kher...@khertan.net
By this thread i didn't want to launch a debate on why i'm creating my
own repository, but as it s on the table now :
- There is change in rules that happen frequently which seems to
depends on phase of the moon.
Like what ? The CLI rules
On Monday 08 March 2010 15:21:13 Benoît HERVIER wrote:
- There is change in rules that happen frequently which seems to
depends on phase of the moon.
Of course there have been changes in the early days as everyone learns from
experience. That is part of the fun as well as the challenge of
There is this two for example :
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6849
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6887
But as it s a pain to found something, and most of the time i got a
timeout when submitting things on bugzilla ... i've stop to try. And
for example this two one aren't fixed,
On Monday 08 March 2010 16:21:13 Benoît HERVIER wrote:
- It s look like some users are here just to put thumb down just to
gain some karma.
To elaborate on this a bit...
The mass-downthumbing people might see is just a temporary (?) solution to
optimize testing resources. The idea is that it
Hallo!
The mass-downthumbing people might see is just a temporary (?) solution
to
optimize testing resources. The idea is that it should be immediately
visible
that this package is NOT going to be promoted, so testers should not
vaste
From the developer view thumbs down without a
Hallo!
And the most important things which guide my decision, is that
currently, many thumb down make me angry as there was wrong vote, and
the fact that i m passing more time to package than to develop didn't
help.
If the votes are wrong, complain. If they are not, then fix them. Don't
On Monday 08 March 2010 16:34:21 Attila Csipa wrote:
On Monday 08 March 2010 16:21:13 Benoît HERVIER wrote:
- It s look like some users are here just to put thumb down just to
gain some karma.
To elaborate on this a bit...
The mass-downthumbing people might see is just a temporary (?)
remove it if they don't like it. It is not about the quality
of the app itself: its usability, its GUI, how well it works,
whether it is useful, whether it has screen shots, etc --
that is what crowd-sourced rating systems are about (the
stars, the reviews, the comments). Any app
On Monday 08 March 2010 17:32:27 Tim Teulings wrote:
Hallo!
And the most important things which guide my decision, is that
currently, many thumb down make me angry as there was wrong vote, and
the fact that i m passing more time to package than to develop didn't
help.
If the votes
On Monday 08 March 2010 18:43:02 Graham Cobb wrote:
Anyway, let's leave the screenshots issue for a separate discussion!
Separated
On a side note I would make screenshots (where applicable) also mandatory
for promotion to -testing, on the same grounds as a bugtracker, but the
I'm curious about how all of this relates to MeeGo. MeeGo is expected to
use RPM instead of DEB formatted packages. (I know, but let's not rehash
that religious war again). The MeeGo repositories reportedly can only
support truely open source packages, which would limit various Nokia based
On Monday 08 March 2010 18:43:02 Graham Cobb wrote:
It must be made clear to testers that giving a thumbs down (or up) MUST
always be on the basis of their own, direct observation. It would be
unacceptable for a tester to give a thumbs down because Attila has already
given a thumbs down and
Hi,
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Attila Csipa ma...@csipa.in.rs wrote:
On Monday 08 March 2010 18:43:02 Graham Cobb wrote:
It must be made clear to testers that giving a thumbs down (or up) MUST
always be on the basis of their own, direct observation. It would be
unacceptable for a
On Monday 08 March 2010 19:18:29 Aldon Hynes wrote:
Personally, I like the idea of people setting up their own external
repositories. I've written about this in my blog post
I've read the post and it sounds great, except that that is not how
repositories work, unfortunately. What you want is
On Monday 08 March 2010 19:17:38 Attila Csipa wrote:
On Monday 08 March 2010 18:43:02 Graham Cobb wrote:
I strongly disagree. The Extras-Testing process should be about safety:
someone browsing extras should be comfortable that if they look at an app
they can get a reasonable description,
From: Graham Cobb
I've read the post and it sounds great, except that that is not how
repositories work, unfortunately. What you want is multiple sources of
apps,
with people being able to choose where they want to get their apps from
(vendors, communities, hackers, ones with support, ones
On Monday 08 March 2010 21:34:26 Aldon Hynes wrote:
I appreciate your concern about shared resources, but it seems to me
that you are overstating the problem. As an example, I quickly checked the
repository lines in sources.list on several different Ubuntu boxes I
support.
Nope.
The
Hello!
Graham, (et al.)
I appreciate your concern about shared resources, but it seems to me that
you are overstating the problem. As an example, I quickly checked the
repository lines in sources.list on several different Ubuntu boxes I
support.
One box included a third party
On Monday 08 March 2010 21:51:09 Graham Cobb wrote:
This was the decision made, by the community, when the Extras-Testing
process was set up. It was for a very short list of requirements which
were to provide safety and was, explicitly, not a QA process. If some
people wish to change that
On Monday 08 March 2010 18:24:05 you wrote:
With such (unavailability) of information I cannot be sure if the tester
found a new bug, which he did not state, or just found an existing bug (or
is just collecting karma). Because of that I can never be sure, that my
package goes through testing
Hello!
Sorry ? I don't follow. We don't have the luxury of natural selection and wait
for applications to actually cause damage to crystallize a score on a web page
(which is BTW not even visible from the Application manager). I do believe
that Extras as default was given the green light by
ext Graham Cobb g+...@cobb.uk.net writes:
All these are **real** problems we experienced in the early days of Maemo and
are the reasons we created the common repositories and put a LOT of pressure
on developers to use them. By having a common repository, there is always
only one copy of
Hi,
Actually i ve got a problem that i'm trying to solve. I've a version of
PyGTKEditor more recent in my repository and an older on Extras.
The version installed on device is the same than in Extras and was installed
from extras.
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