Hi,
ext Naresh Mehta wrote:
Good comments on both the sides. Some of the points made by developers
are very valid. But a query though. Why can't Maemo make a crash
reporting system like the one Android has?
There's been a Crash reporter available for several years Maemo
releases, it's even
There's been a Crash reporter available for several years Maemo
releases, it's even open sourced:
http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/crash-reporter
http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/c/crash-reporter/
I have never been able to get this to work: Every time I
Why should it break the philosophy of release early, release often?
Release early, release often is a important feature to create a stable
release - it's for testing purposes as main point.
As user should not use devel, releasing often release the karma in
extras-testing and delay things
In
Am Montag, den 27.09.2010, 15:26 +0200 schrieb Benoît HERVIER:
Why should it break the philosophy of release early, release often?
Release early, release often is a important feature to create a stable
release - it's for testing purposes as main point.
As user should not use devel,
Hello,
Am Freitag, den 24.09.2010, 20:28 +0200 schrieb Benoît HERVIER:
But yes promoting directly to extras isn't a solution, leaving bugged
version in extras too.
The problem i see with such system is that this break the philosophy
Release early, release often.
Why should it break the
Hi,
Generally, that was the setup with the N8x0 and Maemo4.x, so we have tried
that - IMO this works better
This is your point of view, not from everyone :)
Honestly look at the statistics about how many users use extras-devel
or extras-testing.
But yes promoting directly to extras isn't a
I think something that greatly help developpers is an automated crash
reporter, and give the feeling to user that he help the developper
(and it s really help).
So i've implemented myself one in my last two python apps : khweeteur
and khteditor. You can look in the source code if you are
Hi again,
Does there is a way to know for an application from which package it come.
Does it ll be accepted if like kisstester, i implements a dialog to
user to permit it to vote for my apps after presenting him the rules
of QA ?
Regards,
Le 24 septembre 2010 20:34, Benoît HERVIER
2010/9/24 Benoît HERVIER kher...@khertan.net
Does there is a way to know for an application from which package it come.
dpkg -S /opt/bin/app
Does it ll be accepted if like kisstester, i implements a dialog to
user to permit it to vote for my apps after presenting him the rules
of QA ?
dpkg -S /opt/bin/app
Thx
Not sure I understood... Is the question if the app can vote for itself ?
Yep exactly, the app vote himself after asking to the user if he want to vote,
display the qa rules, and ask to the user to vote thumb up or down and ask for
login/pass.
I know it s can be
distros since I never used
them but that is my point, maybe it didn't work because there was no
integrated feedback system into the application manager (or its
equivalent) ?
You are comparing Debian releasing *cycle* with the Maemo.org's
package promoting process. You should not for obvious reasons
On Thursday 23 September 2010 09:10:08 Polyvertex wrote:
Also, this does not mean it has to become anarchy and
application/virus/bug bombing just because there are 2 repositories
instead of 3.
If that is your main concern, I think it is easily addressed. There are 3
repositories instead of 2
Understood. That's only a part of my point.
My main concern is that users don't always vote and do feedbacks plus
the fact they currently don't know where to go if they want to. This
is a fact.
This problem cannot be seen with popular and visible applications but
it becomes a blocking one with
Good comments on both the sides. Some of the points made by developers
are very valid. But a query though. Why can't Maemo make a crash
reporting system like the one Android has? All the smartphone OS out
there are measured on the number of applications available in their
repos (and everybody
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Polyvertex polyver...@gmail.com wrote:
Understood. That's only a part of my point.
My main concern is that users don't always vote and do feedbacks plus
the fact they currently don't know where to go if they want to. This
is a fact.
This problem cannot be
Hi list,
I would like to understand how things work exactly in the packages
promoting system of the maemo.org platform from extras-testing to
extras repository.
After reading all related wiki pages on the subject, it seems that a
package can be unlocked for promotion from extras-testing to
So, in case the package never reach 10 positive votes, how package
promotion from extras-testing to extras can be unlocked ?
Cheers,
Jean-Charles
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:24, Luca Donaggio donag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Polyvertex polyver...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Polyvertex polyver...@gmail.com wrote:
After reading all related wiki pages on the subject, it seems that a
package can be unlocked for promotion from extras-testing to extras
only if :
* the testing package gained 10 positives votes from the community
* or
Indeed, I own a stuck package :)
I do not want blame the promoting process because I do not have enough
experience on using it and I have no clue how it could be fairly
improved. I just want to make a feedback about it from a developer's
point of view.
In the case of my application, gpsrecorder
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Polyvertex polyver...@gmail.com wrote:
Indeed, I own a stuck package :)
I am, in a weird way, happy that people are now complaining about packages
being stuck for 15 days - as bad as it sounds, there were times where most
of the packages spent months in
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Attila Csipa ma...@csipa.in.rs wrote:
A secret weapon is in the making - KISStester, which would allow easier
feedback for users, and it also acts as a REMINDER for people who are using
software that is in dire need of testing (the problem is that people
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:38, Attila Csipa ma...@csipa.in.rs wrote:
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Polyvertex polyver...@gmail.com wrote:
Indeed, I own a stuck package :)
I am, in a weird way, happy that people are now complaining about packages
being stuck for 15 days - as bad as it
Also, I would like to add that when people are unhappy, they tend to
complain (like me today :) ) but when they are happy, they have
nothing to say. This is the way it is and the promoting process do not
take this into account.
Cheers,
Jean-Charles
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 14:09, Polyvertex
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Polyvertex polyver...@gmail.com wrote:
I think the maintainer should always have the ability to promote the
package to extras by himself and take the risk of being under fire
from users if he promote a very bad/bugged release and did not took
enough time to
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 13:09, Polyvertex polyver...@gmail.com wrote:
I think the maintainer should always have the ability to promote the
^^
package to extras by himself [...]
Short answer: no. No way. Not going to happen.
Super testers, the Testing Squad,
: Package promoting
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Polyvertex polyver...@gmail.com wrote:
I think the maintainer should always have the ability to promote the
package to extras by himself and take the risk of being under fire
from users if he promote a very bad/bugged release and did not took
*From:* maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org
[mailto:maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org] *On Behalf Of *Attila Csipa
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 8:58 AM
*To:* Polyvertex
*Cc:* maemo-developers@maemo.org
*Subject:* Re: Package
On 22/09/10 17:28, ext Attila Csipa wrote:
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Felipe Crochik fel...@crochik.com
mailto:fel...@crochik.com wrote:
We had this discussion not long ago
To: Felipe Crochik
Cc: Polyvertex; maemo-developers@maemo.org
Subject: Re: Package promoting
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Felipe Crochik fel...@crochik.com wrote:
We had this discussion not long ago
(http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/maemo_qa_process/?org_openpsa_q
2010/9/22 Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org:
No matter the QA process, some developers will always feel that their
code is perfect and doesn't need to be tested - but developers make
rubbish testers of their own code. The challenge is to get the balance
right, and I'm fairly convinced that we're
On Wednesday 22 September 2010 18:15:57 you wrote:
1.Is the application useful? I think the average user is the better
equipped to answer this question so getting as many votes/comments from the
average community definitely helps.
And herein lies the rub - extras-testing has nothing to do
Hi list,
I've read all of your answers here, from all of you, and I am sorry to
say I still don't get the point of such a complexity. As a developer,
despite the goodwill I can see all around here, I continue to feel
lonely, in front of a big wall with my tiny application.
If I am a lambda user,
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Polyvertex polyver...@gmail.com wrote:
If I am a lambda user, I just want to get applications on my phone and
don't want to spent time for downloading an another application B to
note or vote for application A.
I personally have no problem with that. I
On Wednesday 22 September 2010 21:51:29 Attila Csipa wrote:
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Polyvertex polyver...@gmail.com wrote:
community and let people vote for/against an application *after* it
has been released. Thus, only 2 repositories should be enough :
'extras' and
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