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From: ext Anderson Lizardo [mailto:anderson.liza...@openbossa.org]
Sent: 24 September, 2009 21:58
To: Kojo Tero (Nokia-D/Helsinki)
Cc: ni...@maemo.org; ani...@gmail.com; maemo-developers@maemo.org
Subject: Re: How to use extras-testing correctly?
On Thu, Sep 24
Kojo Tero (Nokia-D/Helsinki) tero.k...@nokia.com writes:
But screening people (karma or participation or whatever) for the
right to upload is even more questionable than having a team of
testers go through the apps. Everyone has to have the right to right
to put their stuff to devel and
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:29 PM, tero.k...@nokia.com wrote:
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the apps in maemo extras *should* be trusted because we, the community,
trust
the developers who put them there.
Gary, I trust the community, but I really want to be sure.
It is also because I like
Yeah ... come back to the old time where every developpers create his
own repository. :)
2009/9/28 gary liquid liq...@gmail.com:
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:29 PM, tero.k...@nokia.com wrote:
- Original message -
the apps in maemo extras *should* be trusted because we, the community,
- Original message -
I realise this is a slightly different question (hence the new subject)
OK, say I have an evil twin who wants to attack ('own') a lot of Nokia N900
devices. How do I do this?
I hope that was retorical. Tell your evil twin to do something usefull.
Does
tero.k...@nokia.com wrote:
- Original message -
I realise this is a slightly different question (hence the new subject)
OK, say I have an evil twin who wants to attack ('own') a lot of Nokia
N900
devices. How do I do this?
I hope that was retorical. Tell your evil twin to do
the apps in maemo extras *should* be trusted because we, the community,
trust the developers who put them there.
it would take 1 bad report to have the software removed from extras.
its a worrying scenario for some people, but this isnt the wild west and
like all trust based mechanisms, people
- Original message -
the apps in maemo extras *should* be trusted because we, the community, trust
the developers who put them there.
Gary, I trust the community, but I really want to be sure.
It is also because I like the community so much that I want to keep extras a
safe place. For
I personally think we're taking a wrong approach to the problem.
I am not developing for Apple because of their approval process and
their desire of control.
I don't want my application to go through an approval process to reach my users.
I think that the developer HAS the last work on whether
On Thu, September 24, 2009 11:19, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
Here's my proposal:
We leave Extras-Testing as it is, with votes, comments, bug reports an
so on (or improve it, as you wish). But then it's only the developer that
decides, based on that feedback, if or not to promote the
Niels Breet wrote:
On Thu, September 24, 2009 11:19, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
Here's my proposal:
We leave Extras-Testing as it is, with votes, comments, bug reports an
so on (or improve it, as you wish). But then it's only the developer that
decides, based on that feedback, if or not to
-Original Message-
From: maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org
[mailto:maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org] On Behalf Of ext
Aniello Del Sorbo
Sent: 24 September, 2009 12:20
To: Gil Quim (Nokia-D/Helsinki)
Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org
Subject: Re: How to use extras-testing
I haven't got Neils e-mail yet.
But it looked like that the app gets promoted automatically or stay in
quarantine until it reaches enough votes.
If it stays in quarantine, I won't go for Extras Testing and I'll miss
an opportunity and I propose to remove this limitation.
If I have control of the
ext Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
I am not developing for Apple because of their approval process and
their desire of control.
What is your opinion about Deboan, Ubuntu, Fedora... all of them having
also QA processes in place in order to make it to their stable releases?
I don't want my
to use extras-testing correctly?
I personally think we're taking a wrong approach to the problem.
I am not developing for Apple because of their approval
process and their desire of control.
That is a different matter alltogether. One device, one shop, complete
control. That has very
-Original Message-
From: maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org
[mailto:maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org] On Behalf Of ext
Henrik Hedberg
Sent: 24 September, 2009 13:07
Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org
Subject: Re: How to use extras-testing correctly?
Niels Breet wrote
On Thu, September 24, 2009 12:07, Henrik Hedberg wrote:
Niels Breet wrote:
On Thu, September 24, 2009 11:19, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
Here's my proposal:
We leave Extras-Testing as it is, with votes, comments, bug reports
an so on (or improve it, as you wish). But then it's only the
2009/9/24 Quim Gil quim@nokia.com:
ext Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
I am not developing for Apple because of their approval process and
their desire of control.
What is your opinion about Deboan, Ubuntu, Fedora... all of them having
also QA processes in place in order to make it to their
: Re: How to use extras-testing correctly?
Niels Breet wrote:
The developer/maintainer is always the one who decides on when to
publish the app.
So no quarantine, no need to gather karma points? Please,
update the wiki [1], if that will be the case.
No, the question was who makes
/Helsinki)
Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org
Subject: Re: How to use extras-testing correctly?
I personally think we're taking a wrong approach to the problem.
I am not developing for Apple because of their approval
process and their desire of control.
That is a different matter alltogether
2009/9/24 Niels Breet ni...@maemo.org:
On Thu, September 24, 2009 12:07, Henrik Hedberg wrote:
Niels Breet wrote:
On Thu, September 24, 2009 11:19, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
Here's my proposal:
We leave Extras-Testing as it is, with votes, comments, bug reports
an so on (or improve it,
Am Donnerstag, den 24.09.2009, 11:48 +0100 schrieb Aniello Del Sorbo:
My only complaint is on who has the final word.
Again: It is the package maintainer, after his/her package has been
given 10 karma points by testers.
andre
--
Andre Klapper (maemo.org bugmaster)
September, 2009 12:20
To: Gil Quim (Nokia-D/Helsinki)
Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org
Subject: Re: How to use extras-testing correctly?
I personally think we're taking a wrong approach to the problem.
I am not developing for Apple because of their approval
process and their desire of control
On Sep 24, 2009, at 12:48, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
2009/9/24 Quim Gil quim@nokia.com:
ext Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
I am not developing for Apple because of their approval process and
their desire of control.
What is your opinion about Deboan, Ubuntu, Fedora... all of them
having
2009/9/24 Jeremiah Foster jerem...@jeremiahfoster.com:
On Sep 24, 2009, at 12:48, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
2009/9/24 Quim Gil quim@nokia.com:
ext Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
I am not developing for Apple because of their approval process and
their desire of control.
What is your
2009/9/24 Andre Klapper aklap...@openismus.com:
Am Donnerstag, den 24.09.2009, 11:48 +0100 schrieb Aniello Del Sorbo:
My only complaint is on who has the final word.
Again: It is the package maintainer, after his/her package has been
given 10 karma points by testers.
andre
--
Andre
:)
this has been a good informative discussion.
since we are working on beta, can i suggest something.
anidels point about app feedback *from the device itself* is important.
if me as a user selects extras testing and installs a an app because anidel
said his new version is there
from that
please accept huge apologies for spelling of your name Aniello :$
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:03 PM, gary liquid liq...@gmail.com wrote:
:)
this has been a good informative discussion.
since we are working on beta, can i suggest something.
anidels point about app feedback *from the device
this has been a good informative discussion.
since we are working on beta, can i suggest something.
anidels point about app feedback *from the device itself* is
important.
if me as a user selects extras testing and installs a an app
because anidel said his new version is there from
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Simon Pickering
s.g.picker...@bath.ac.ukwrote:
this has been a good informative discussion.
since we are working on beta, can i suggest something.
anidels point about app feedback *from the device itself* is
important.
if me as a user selects
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:25 PM, gary liquid liq...@gmail.com wrote:
you have installed an app from the -testing repository.
you are therefore signing up to be a tester.
Or a new version which includes a feature / bugfix you really want is
in quarantine.
--
Matan Ziv-Av.
you have installed an app from the -testing repository.
you are therefore signing up to be a tester.
i dont expect normal apps to have this procedure.
it is merely a way to expedite feedback
Ah yes, forgot this was specific to -testing.
Simon
Apologies will be accepted in Amsterdam along with a bottle of beer :D
2009/9/24 gary liquid liq...@gmail.com:
please accept huge apologies for spelling of your name Aniello :$
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:03 PM, gary liquid liq...@gmail.com wrote:
:)
this has been a good informative
it will have to be on IOU
i have no job, no money, no anything.
im actually surprised mrs lcuk let me go at all
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Aniello Del Sorbo ani...@gmail.comwrote:
Apologies will be accepted in Amsterdam along with a bottle of beer :D
2009/9/24 gary liquid
2009/9/24 Jeremiah Foster jerem...@jeremiahfoster.com:
All community developed projects have a Quality Assurance process. Debian's,
which is what Maemo is based on, looks like this;
1. Submit your app to autobuilders
2. If it fails to build from source, start over at 1
3. If it builds, it
I will bring the two bottles of beer and you will bring your free apologies. ;)
Aniello
2009/9/24 gary liquid liq...@gmail.com:
it will have to be on IOU
i have no job, no money, no anything.
im actually surprised mrs lcuk let me go at all
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Aniello Del
On Thu, September 24, 2009 13:01, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
I am well aware of that :)
But if I go thru extras-testing (and I really want to!) then it looks
like the Community has the last word on my application.
Yes, they do. It's a community effort, but look at it from the other
side. Not
From: maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org [maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org]
On Behalf Of ext Aniello Del Sorbo [ani...@gmail.com]
Sent: 24 September 2009 12:19
To: Gil Quim (Nokia-D/Helsinki)
Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org
Subject: Re: How to use extras
On Sep 24, 2009, at 15:13, Marius Vollmer wrote:
2009/9/24 Jeremiah Foster jerem...@jeremiahfoster.com:
All community developed projects have a Quality Assurance process.
Debian's,
which is what Maemo is based on, looks like this;
1. Submit your app to autobuilders
2. If it fails to
Stoppa Igor (Nokia-D/Helsinki) igor.sto...@nokia.com writes:
It's not desire for control here, only for quality.
Please remember that this thing still runs on battery.
And the iPhone runs on what? Steve Jobs, err, bodily fluids? :)
Anyway, of course this is also about control: quality
ext Jeremiah Foster jerem...@jeremiahfoster.com writes:
x.The big fundamental difference between Debian and Maemo Extras is
that Debian is producing one big release of a complete integrated
distribution, while Maemo Extras is a collection of mostly
independent applications that are released
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:43 PM, tero.k...@nokia.com wrote:
Also I'll take the time to ask Nokia testing to look at the tooling issue. I
would like to have some nice set of tools for testing the measurable aspects
of applications (like battery usage as Igor pointed out).
For battery life
I realise this is a slightly different question (hence the new subject)
OK, say I have an evil twin who wants to attack ('own') a lot of Nokia N900
devices. How do I do this?
Does extras-testing factor into this?
David
tero.k...@nokia.com wrote:
- Original message -
On Thu,
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 14:22, Graham Cobb g+...@cobb.uk.net wrote:
The bottom line is that we need to try to use the process and see
how well it works.
I've got a concern on the other side. There still seems to be
murkiness about what our processes are here - and these will evolve
through
Am Mittwoch, den 23.09.2009, 11:07 +0100 schrieb Andrew Flegg:
It's easy to find problems, but our basic QA procedure started off as
installs cleanly, uninstalls cleanly, doesn't waste battery, has
human readable description, has nice icons and now uses /opt and
doesn't waste disk space if
ext Graham Cobb wrote:
By all means add a comment if you are unhappy with the UI but it
should get a +1 as long as it doesn't conflict with the requirements.
Ideally every -1 should require a comment saying which of the QA
requirements is violated.
Agreed.
And even better, a link to a bug
Extras-testing QA is not working as it is implemented now! There are
two main issues:
* Comments are stored into a wrong place. Those belong to Bugzilla! It
is double effort for a developer to track two different places or to
transfer reports into bug tracking system manually.
* Developers
From: maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org
[mailto:maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org] On Behalf Of ext Till Harbaum
Sent: 16 September, 2009 15:16
To: maemo-dev
Subject: How to use extras-testing correctly?
Hi,
i have been asked to upload osm2go to
On Wednesday 16 September 2009 13:15:59 Till Harbaum wrote:
1) don't update too often, so people/testers don't get bored
2) put some extensive internal testing before promoting something
to extras-testing
My conclusions are similar but maybe a little different.
I am not promoting GPE to
tero.k...@nokia.com wrote:
Once there is hardware available, I think that the limit is the
quaranteen time that the app has to stay in extras-testing. Knowing the
community, my guess is that there will be enough testers for the apps.
(some people code well, others like to test)
Is it
- Original message -
tero.k...@nokia.commailto:tero.k...@nokia.com wrote:
Once there is hardware available, I think that the limit is the
quaranteen time that the app has to stay in extras-testing. Knowing the
community, my guess is that there will be enough testers for the apps.
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